OK, I'm still on here and, now, this is exactly what I thought that it was; semantics. I totally agree with you that Hitler was a terrible person and did not "live by the teachings of Christianity."

I can't change the fact of what he claimed to be and neither can you. It would be like teaching a course on JFK and leaving out the fact that he was raised a catholic.

I never meant to indicate that I thought that Hitler was a morally upright, good person of any religion. BTW, several people on here have read some of my books . . . And, the USGov will be glad to verify that I'm a 100% disabled vet.

Hope that's all, cause I do have to go . . . I'm having a real bad day breathing . . . I don't really think that we are in opposition on this; we're just batting words around.

OK, you obviously judge people by some unknown system to me. You have a good weekend. I'm outta here.

We are not in disagreement. I was pointing out what one man SAID he was VS. reality. YOU, on the other hand, seem to want to change history and erase every record of what Hitler was born and raised as and professed to be. Perhaps even erase all of the photos of Waffen SS being "blessed" as they marched off to Auschwitz-Birkenau by Christian clergymen.

But I also believe that I don't have the power to judge another, so if any person walks up to me and says "I am a Christian," "I am a Hindu" or "I am a Buddhist" how should I make them prove their statement?

Besides, I seem to recall an advisory, "...Judge ye not, lest..." As far as the teaching, I got stuck having to teach a course on the development of the National Socialist movement and the men that formed that whole thing. I had to study the people that made the movement that took over a country and wreaked havoc on the world. I did not teach history of WWII, and I really hated that teaching assignment more than any other I ever had.

I never taught ANY history or archaeology from any "point-of-view" except the best and most firmly proven information available, to the best of my ability.

Once again, I feel that I am being called a "liberal." I don't think that is an insult; it is a way of looking at the world. But, if you taught the "liberal" view of National Socialism, I expect that you would be propagandizing for peace, love and democracy, not telling the truth.

There have been many discussions on here (with others) but I will digress to try to make this point; I'm a fifth generation Republican. I am a former officer of the state Republican Party and several times delegate to the National Convention and a former Republican candidate for statewide office. I have over 40 family members that have held elective or appointed office in Colorado over the last 150 years. And, now, my state Republican Party will no longer allow me to address the state convention because they feel that I am "too radically right" for the general membership.

Perhaps that all makes no difference and I'm not REALLY a conservative Christian Republican, just as, since he was christened, attended services, expressed on several occasions a desire to join the clergy of his church and married as a Christian, Hitler was OBVIOUSLY not a Christian.

You can't have it both ways.

I will go right out, today and tell my neighbors that claim to be Christians, attend Christian churches, get married by Christian ministers, have their children christened in Christian churches, send their Children to Christian schools and are laid to rest in Christian services that I don't believe that they are Christians any more because someone among them has (probably) sinned. That should go over like a lead balloon, since most of us have been neighbors for over 40 years. Except for those damfool out-of-state newcomers that moved in about 1981. . .

I'll bet you wouldn't have any problem "believing" somebody that told you that they were an Islamic Fundamentalist . . .

Again, no argument here, I'm proposing that it shouldn't even make a difference what a person "professes" as their faith; they should be counted by their actions, which, I think, is what you are saying. Unfortunately, the world doesn't work that way; we are all judged by the company we keep and the claims of political or religious affiliation that we make.

Are you old enough (no slur; I have no idea) or interested in cars enough to remember that a lot of car collectors used to go to car shows with T-shirts that were emblazoned with "I'd rather eat worms than drive a Chevy" None of us actually hated the Chevy collectors or wanted to eat worms, either one, but what "evidence" were we presenting?

Hope that you're having a good holiday weekend. I don't know if you've seen enough of my posts, but I'm having a bad time physically right now and if I don't get right back to you (or anybody else) it will be because of health, not a lack of interest.

To me we are having a "good" argument and calmly expressing our difference in viewpoint, which I do NOT see as being all that big. It may possibly all be a matter of semantics. . .

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Bangee5, I have no desire to argue this; I have taught the true history of the Third Reich at college level. I have no respect for people that try to change history. I believe that if a person is a member of any religion, claims to be a Christian, attends Christian church services, gets married by a Christian clergyman, that person is a Christian.

I think that the millions of Americans that say they are Christians in every census, but never bother to attend a church, get "christened" or married or buried in a Christian church are not.

What I believe you are saying is that we should judge a person by their actions, not their posturing. That's okay by me. But, where do we but the non-believers, Hindus and Buddhists that live and act more "Christian" than most declared "Christians?"

Pls do not take offense - I am not arguing faith; it is a legitimate question. BTW, Happy Independence Day. :thumbup:

Magicray, as a historian, I hope that you don't mind my adding that Hitler also allowed both catholic and lutheran chaplains to serve with the armed force of the Third Reich. There are hundreds if not thousands of surviving photos of the troops (including the SS) being sent off to war with a clerical "blessing."

There is also documentation that Hitler and Eva Braun were married in the final days by a catholic priest.

Over and over, Hitler stated clearly that his intention was to make the world "safe for Christianity" by wiping out the Jews. He allowed lutherans inthe door, but no other denominations that I am aware of...There is an old (college level) history for about 45 - 50 years ago (can't recall the author) titled, "Hilter's Christianity."

Thanks for your post.

We've not met or even been "properly introduced" but I had to comment on this post. I've watched your posts for a long time and enjoyed your "outdoor family" pix very much.

A couple of your posts have led me to believe that I know, in general, the area where you live NE or east of me? I built my house 42 years on the extreme northeastern edge of Colorado Springs (my hometown, BTW) so that means that I'm right in the middle of the mess now.

The reason for this reply is to say that I believe your new friend ate his way through half the flowers in my xeriscaped yard about 10 days ago! :thumbup: :thumbup: :lol: :lol:

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1960's??? OMG :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock:

Jakebrake, I think that this country needs a great big dose of common sense, mixed with a goodly amount of Americanism. But, I'm old, and most people alive today won't care at all what I think. Thank you for your post. :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Thank you for one of the best posts that I've ever seen on here. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

During WWII, the US Navy required the growing of hemp. I've never understood the sudden (later) USGov ban on it. Also, I agree with the comment on bamboo.

I had an MD friend (Navy doctor) that suggest to me once, that you would have to "distill" the production of an acre of hemp to be able to get "high" with the stuff.

It is so much more serene and fulfilling to go out in the "middle of nowhere" and photograph (sorry, I'm a old film guy)ancient ruins, desertscapes and clouds. I have rarely taken "pitchers" (excluding snapshots)of real live people. The rattlesnakes, Gila monsters, mountain lions and bears are SO much easier to get along with than people. . . :shock: :roll: :oops:

tainkc, that plant is a member of the deadly Nightshade family and some cook tried to kill Gen'l Washington with it once, but, for some reason he was immune. :thumbup: :thumbup: :lol: :lol:

Okay, I'm not all together today and responded with the Nightshade stuff before I read through the thread, sorry. :shock: :oops: :oops:

I never comment on flowers, however pretty they may be; to me they are merely food for the deer in my yard. If the Ford Model A was faithfully restored to original, it's a 1931 based on paint combination and several other minor details.