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Feb 9, 2024 05:39:04   #
alberio wrote:
No, I was referring to APT. So, APP is used for post processing and APT is for capturing?


yes correct mate

Astrophotography Tool APT = capture etc
Astro Pixel Processor = post processing
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Feb 8, 2024 16:11:38   #
alberio wrote:
Hi Marc,
I just downloaded APT. Just starting to learn a bit about it. Can a person load a series of previously captured fits files into APT to stack?


You mean APP?
Yes you can.
Recommend that you have associated calibration frames to stack too.
Saying that..
APP has brilliant user friendly linear processing tools.
Light pollution, background extraction (gradients), star colour calibration, star removal.
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Feb 8, 2024 16:06:43   #
I have both, the FMA 180mm v1 does suffer from halos without using uv/iv filter.
The v2 has apparently corrected this.
The 135mm is amazing. Ultra wide fields at 135mm & 40mm aperture.

I leave my 135 & guide scope mounted on the same side by side rail for quick fixing to the az/gti plate.
Attach the cams & cables and ready to power up in around 15mins.

At 135mm focal length PA doesn't have to spot on as guiding sorts things out.

Should the heavens open suddenly its just a case of disconnect cables, unscrew the saddle & place into bag, under a minute take down.

I will try to remember to take a shot or video of the whole set up
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Feb 8, 2024 14:56:16   #
alberio wrote:
Beautiful, which camera and lens/scope, ISO etc?


Altair 269c hypercam tec cooled.
Askar FMA 135mm
NBZ filter
Riding on star watcher az/gti mount set to eqmode (ultra light set up)
PA, dithering, image sequence APT
Guiding PHD2
Processing APP & Photoshop
Homemade soup
South Australian Red wine
Strong Bow Tropical cider
Back ground music in ex fishing shelter liquid drum n bass mixed by marceegee
Standard session in winter for me
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Feb 8, 2024 05:35:45   #
Railfan_Bill wrote:
Marc, Great shots of the Heart and Soul Nebula. I shot them too and had a great time with them. Funny, not to many people know of this until recently. I only heard of them about 5 years ago. RFB


Hi Bill

The Heart & Soul nebula have always been one of my favourites as well as the whole of Cassiopeia

TBH, there are lots of targets overlooked hence why I love to study constellations carefully for those hidden gems.
One gem in particular being Picketts Bell, unfortunately Orion is getting low on my horizon now

Marc
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Feb 8, 2024 05:32:02   #
SonnyE wrote:
Great to see you, Marc!
Beautiful Heart Nebula!

Weather? What's that?
I'm under an "Atmospheric River".
I know I'm under it because it continues to dribble on me.
Holy crapoly.



Hiya mate,

weather has been awful here & seems to be getting worse every year
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Feb 8, 2024 05:30:48   #
Ballard wrote:
Great shot of the Heart Nebula.


Thanks mate
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Feb 7, 2024 13:36:48   #
alberio wrote:
Thanks Ballard, I'll get a master bias saved for this camera, it might help with some background patterns/artifacts the sensor might be integrating into the stack. Thanks for the help. Charlie (alberio)


I'm not sure that you can build a bias library cos read noise differs from frame to frame?
Dithering will certainly assist cos the differ will shift the frame a few pixels thus the read noise will be different.
This is one of the reasons I switched to dedicated astro cam.
Walking & bias noise is virtually non existent.

Saying that I still use a dark library but my 269 doesn't produce amp glow, so no need for darks.
But to me the use of temperature controlled darks produce a better stacked image.

That leads me onto dark flats.
Dark flats are similar to bias but instead of shooting at fastest shutter speed the camera is set optimum adu full well value.

Thankfully APT works out my flat / dark flats & shoots them. Typically a 2s exposure
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Feb 7, 2024 12:46:12   #
alberio wrote:
Hi Marc, do you use another? I just looked at Siril, and don't understand half of what they are talking about. What is a bias sub? I think I understand flats and darks. I get lucky with my simple techniques, but would like to step it up a bit. I'm only using a mirrorless camera, Canon R6, so I know I'm limited in the camera department. Also registering and calibrating?


Yes I use astro pixel processor for stacking, calibration & initial processing.
Then switch to photoshop.

I no longer use dslr but to my understanding bias frames are used to calibrate read noise out.
Dithering frames can also assist with read noise.

Thankfully I know only have to shoot flats & dark flats as well as the lights obviously.
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Feb 7, 2024 10:46:03   #
Ballard wrote:
Hi alberio

For my DSLR shots I would note the temperate at the time I took the light frames and take a series of Dark Frames at after the light frames. I also keep a library of previous dark frames and note the temperature that they were taken at and if the library contains a set that is within 5 degrees of the light frames usually just reuse those rather than take new ones. After a year or so I've heard it maybe prudent to retake dark frames as the sensor can change as it ages, (so far I haven't found that I need to do that). I similarly keep a library for flats based on the camera and optics, including filters used, and bias frames base on the camera used. (Note: I have had to occasionally take a separate set of flats if dust bunnies get in there and use that as an indicator that it is time to clean the filters, optics and or sensor.

Note: I organize the images by Deep sky vs Planetary and then have subdirectories for the image (e.g. M101).
I then typically have a subdirectory for the optical system used (e.g. DSLR_500mm, ZWO_meade16, etc).
This is then followed by the raw DSLR images (or an other subset of directories for different exposures lengths and or individual filter names used which contain either DSLR RAW frames or fits image taken with an astro camera). I also keep the stacked images and processed images at this level of the directory structure. Note:
Under there are directories for the good fames, calibrated frame, Debayered frames for the DSLR) and registered frames.

Below my cheat sheet I use for processing images using pixinsight so not all of it may be relevant to your process.
Below is my cheat sheet

Integrate Bias frames (Use process ImageIntegration)
Image integration
Combination: Average
Normalization: No normalization
Weights: Don’t Care (all weights=1)
Scale evaluation: Median absolute deviation from the median (MAD) THIS IS GONE IN NEW PIXINSIGHT.
Uncheck evaluation noise default others

Pixel Rejection 1
Rejection algorithm: Sigma Clipping
Normalization: No normalization

Pixel Rejection 2
Sigma low : 3.0
Sigma high : 3.0

Notes:
(** Warning: Inconsistent Instrument:Telescope:FocalLength (FOCALLEN keyword) value(s) - metadata not generated.
** Warning: Inconsistent Instrument:Telescope:Aperture (APTDIA keyword) value(s) - metadata not generated)

*** Error: Parsing OBJCTRA FITS keyword: Parsing sexagesimal expression: empty string
*** Error: Parsing OBJCTDEC FITS keyword: Parsing sexagesimal expression: empty string

These errors are not fatal, so you can still integrate the frames. However, metadata for geodetic observer coordinates will be lost in the integrated image (which is not really important for Bias frames).


Add RAW files - hit go button (circle on bottom of process box)
Stretch rejection_high and rejection_low to check for any big issuesStretch rejection_high and rejection_low to check for any big issues.

Save- integrated image as master_bias.xisf

Integrate Dark frames (same process and settings and as Bias frames)
Image integration
Combination: Average
Normalization: No normalization
Weights: Don’t Care (all weights=1)
Scale evaluation: Median absolute deviation from the median (MAD)THIS IS GONE IN NEW PIXINSIGHT.
Uncheck evaluation noise default others

Pixel Rejection 1
Rejection algorithm: Sigma Clipping
Normalization: No normalization

Pixel Rejection 2
Sigma low : 3.0
Sigma high : 3.0

Notes:
Add RAW files -hit go button (circle on bottom of process box)
Stretch rejection_high and rejection_low to check for any big issuesStretch rejection_high and rejection_low to check for any big issues.
Save- integrated image as master_dark.xisf


*** Error: Parsing OBJCTRA FITS keyword: Parsing sexagesimal expression: empty string
*** Error: Parsing OBJCTDEC FITS keyword: Parsing sexagesimal expression: empty string

These errors are not fatal, so you can still integrate the frames. However, metadata for geodetic observer coordinates will be lost in the integrated image (which is not really important for Dark frames).
Calibrate Flats (Use process ImageCalibration)
Output Files
Output Directory: example J:/deep sky/M31 2min 71F/Good/Calibrated/flats
Sample format: 32bit floating point
Master Bias (put check in box)
Set location of master bias
Don’t set calibrate as this is only used with overscan for special CCD’s.


Master Dark (do not check as there is no correlation to darks)
Master Flat (do not check as there is not a master flat to calibrate with)

Notes: Hit the go button (circle on bottom of process box). This fills the output directory with calibrated flats.

Integrate Calibrated flat frames (Use process Image Integration)

Image integration
Combination: Average
Normalization: Multiplicative
Weights: Don’t Care (all weights=1)
Scale evaluation: Median absolute deviation from the median (MAD)
Uncheck evaluation noise default others

Pixel Rejection 1
Rejection algorithm: Sigma Clipping
Normalization: Equalize fluxes

Pixel Rejection 2
Sigma low : 3.0
Sigma high : 3.0

Notes: We use Equalize fluxes in this case.
Add RAW files -hit go button (circle on bottom of process box)
Stretch rejection_high and rejection_low to check for any big issuesStretch rejection_high and rejection_low to check for any big issues.

Save- integrated image as master_flat.xisf
Find best Light frames (Use process SubframeSelector)
Add linear mode files DSLR RAW light frame files or mono .fits to Subframe Selector.
System Parameters
Subframe scale : (2.11 for 500mm lens, 1.106 with 2X teleconverter added, 0.396 for C11, 0.27 for lx200)
ZWO w 500mm -1.55arcsec/pixel
ZWO w 4096mm -.19arcsec/pixel
[Arcseconds Per Pixel] = (206.2648 x [Pixel Size in μm]) / [Focal Length in mm]
Note: FOV 247.65 x165.10 arcminutes for 500mm lens
123.83x82.55 arcminutes with teleconverter added
44.32x29.55 for C11
EOS 5d MarkIV pixel size 5.36 microns (num pixels 6720x4480)
EOS 5D Mark IV Camera resolution:14 bit
SBig 11002 Camera resolution:16 bit


Can use FWHM or weighting to decide on the best frames to use. (Also check on the number of stars to remove those that had clouds go by or high(bad) FWHM.
Typically default star detection parameters
Use the “measure subframes” routine to measure the frames. The click on those to remove in the graph.
Use the “output subframes” routine to copy the accepted frames to directory specified.
Rename best sub as the reference frame to be used later in image resitration.
Calibrate Light frames(Use process ImageCalibration)
Output Files
Output Directory: example J:/deep sky/M31 2min 71F/Good/Calibrated/lights
Sample format: 32bit floating point
Noise evaluation: Multiresolution Support

Uncheck CFA for monochromatic frames, leave set for color DSLR-RAW)
Master Bias (put check in box)
Set location of master bias
Don’t set calibrate as this is only used with overscan for special CCD’s.
Master Dark (put check in box)
Set location of master dark
Set Calibrate to calibrate lights with dark data
Optimization threshold: 0
Don’t set Optimize.
Master Flat (put check in box)
Set location of master flat (don’t check calibrate as the flat already has this in it).

Notes: This will subtract master bias from master dark then dark is subtracted from lights.
Hit the go button (circle on bottom of process box). This fills the output directory with calibrated light frames. Calibrate light frames from the accepted frames from subframe sector.


Debayer light frames(use process Debayer)
Don’t do for monochromatic Images
Bayer/mosaic pattern: RGGB
Demosaicing method : VNG
Evaluate noise is checked
Noise evaluation: Iterative K-Sigma Clipping
Output directory set location to put debayered frames
Added “calibrated files” from calibrated files. Debayer after calibration.
Hit the go button (circle on bottom of process box).


Register light frames (use process StarAlignment)
Reference image : Set reference image to best image found with subframe selector
Registration model: Projective Transformation
Working model : Register/Match Images
Check drizzle to generate drizzle data
Target image
Add all images that where accepted, calibrated and (and for color images debayered).
Output Directory (set to location to save registered images).
Default other settings

Hit the go button (circle on bottom of process box).


Integrate Registered light frames (Use process ImageIntegration)
Image integration
Combination: Average
Normalization: Additive with scaling
Weights: Noise evaluation (PSF signal)

Pixel Rejection 1
Rejection algorithm: Sigma Clipping (used Winsorized Sigma Clipping for >40 images)
Normalization: Scale +zero offset

Pixel Rejection 2
Sigma low : 3.0
Sigma high : 3.0 (lower this to remove satellites at the expense of added noise)

Add registered files and Drizzle files if drizzle was set in registration
-hit go button (circle on bottom of process box)
Stretch rejection high and rejection low to check for any big issues



For HDR use star alignment on the upstretched images. Then use the HDR composite process to combine the images taken with different exposure times.

Noise Reduction with Multiscale Linear Transform (Use Process MultiscaleLinearTransform before stretching

Use Dyadic with 4 layers
Scaling function Liner interpolation
Set layer 1 (3.000,0.33,3)
Set layer 2 (3.000,0.33,3)
Set layer 3 (3.000,0.26,3)
Set layer 4 (3.500,0.20,3)
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Great explanation for PixInsight users.
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Feb 7, 2024 10:36:03   #
Thanks mate.
Lots of patience especially when it comes to the weather here in the UK.
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Feb 7, 2024 10:29:48   #
Well, this winter has almost been a complete wash out when it comes to astro-imaging.
However, one did manage 4 short sessions dodging clouds & freezing temperatures.
So here we have the Heart & Soul Nebula within the constellation of Cassiopeia
1st night 50frames @ 120s
2nd night 30frames @ 120s
3rd night 50frames @ 120s
4th night 50frames @ 120s

thanks to APT - Astro Photography Tool amazing alignment tool I was able tp lock on to the exact location over the four nights 😁


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Nov 1, 2023 03:15:13   #
SonnyE wrote:
Beautiful Marc!
I'm going to see if I can get in on that action. At least see how it frames up.

I keep looking up at Orion when I go out to do my flats @ 05:00-05;30ish. Stellarium has it (M42) good at around 23:30 ish to dawn for my spot on the globe.

I'm always up for some fresh ideas. Even if they are old targets, my equipment has changed. (for the better)

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Thanks Mate

M45 is one of my first goto's when winter descends upon us in the UK.
Getting the data for the surrounding dust can be a mission, let alone processing it.
I am hoping the weather here in the UK is better than summer but for past week or so we have had constant rain.
Good luck & take care mate
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Oct 16, 2023 16:59:19   #
Ballard wrote:
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Excellent shot of the Pleiades. The color is and detail is outstanding. I could find at least 4 PGC galaxies in the image including, PGC 13992 at magnitude 16.95 (upper left in the image), PCG 13696 at magnitude 17.29 somewhat in the M45 nebula center right , PGC 13557 at magnitude 15.94 farther to the right, and PCG 13484 at magnitude 17.30 more to right and a bit from the previous galaxy. There appear to be others but they don't show up in my charts.
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Many thanks mate.
I do have the RA / DEC saved in APT so could re-visit this again to gather more data on the dust clouds.
Apparently there is a lot of Ha present too.
Thus may use nbz dual filter
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Oct 15, 2023 11:21:19   #
alberio wrote:
One of my favorite targets, but I never took the necessary time to get enough data for an image like this. Excellent.


Thanks mate.
My moto, the more data the better.
I'm not getting enough clear skies at the moment so when the skies are clear I'm out imaging virtually till sun rise.
Every photon counts
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