BooIsMyCat wrote:
When I was a kid, the local Army and ROTC had secured buildings where they stored, under lock & key, their military grade rifles.
There is really no reason why, the "well regulated militia" couldn't go back to that process - store your high powered weapons and have total access to them if/when needed.
You blame all this gun violence on mental health yet, you vote for those who want to destroy the mental health system in this country... Gov Abbott for example. Just how do you identify a person, who is going through a mental health situation, before they do something wrong... like buy a gun and go shoot up a school?
We have "trained" police who are responsible for keeping our schools safe. Many of you claim a gun insurance policy would not work, it would be too expensive. But, the very same people who say that, claim that we need to harden our schools, one entrance/exit (which the fire department might disagree with), give guns to the teachers, etc., don't seem to take into consideration that the "government" (state and local) would put that cost burden on the public.
If the "trained" police are afraid to go up against an AR-15, why would you expect the teachers to do it?
Gun insurance won't work but, paying to "harden" schools and train teachers to carry guns will?
Gun insurance is unfair?.... well, what about people who don't have kids and don't have guns? Is it fair that YOU push responsibility onto them over looking deeper into the gun issue?
To see if a high gun homicide rate is tied to lax gun laws, we looked at each state’s firearm homicide rate per 100,000 people from 2015-19 and compared that to its gun-friendliness score, where 1 is the least gun-friendly and 5 is the most gun-friendly. This score is based on individual state laws regarding things like background checks, permit requirements, and open carry rules.
These are the 20 states with the highest firearm homicide rates in the country along with their gun-friendliness scores:
Louisiana: 11.0 (3)
Mississippi: 10.2 (5)
Alabama: 9.5 (4)
Missouri: 8.5 (5)
Maryland: 7.4 (1)
South Carolina: 7.4 (3)
Tennessee: 6.7 (4)
Illinois: 6.5 (2)
Arkansas: 6.2 (3)
Georgia: 6.2 (4)
Alaska: 6.0 (5)
New Mexico: 5.7 (4)
Oklahoma: 5.7 (4)
Indiana: 5.3 (4)
Delaware: 5.1 (2)
North Carolina: 5.0 (4)
Nevada: 4.8 (3)
Ohio: 4.8 (4)
Kentucky: 4.7 (4)
Florida: 4.6 (4)
The vast majority of states with the most gun homicides are states that score a 3 or higher for gun-friendliness, indicating that there may be a correlation.
https://www.criminalattorneycincinnati.com/comparing-gun-control-measures-to-gun-related-homicides-by-state/
For those like dennis, who have difficulty understanding what is presented here, and who always point to Chicago as an example... take a closer look as to where Chicago actually sits in this list.... middle of the road, crowded in by red states and lax gun laws.
There is some very telling statistics in this link - Such as Texas - has over 8 million fewer people than California yet, it had only 800 FEWER homicides (2015-19) and is a much gun-friendlier state.
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First off, having guns locked up by the army or ROTC, as in your example, is hardly having "total access." It is in fact government controlled access and one of the primary purposes of the well regulated militia in the 2nd amendment is that it needs to be separated from the federal government. However, I guess tunnel vision doesn't allow you to see that, especially when your purpose in life is to have the government run every aspect of it for you.
You also stated that we have trained police responsible for keeping our schools safe. While I am in favor of a strong police force and putting resource officers in our schools is a step in the right direction, it also appears to be rather obvious that it's just not enough or we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I stand by my statement that we need to harden security at these soft target rich locations and that this would by far be the most effective immediate response. As far as one way in and one way out being a problem for the Fire Marshall, it's not difficult to lock a door to outside access and still use it for an emergency exit. Have you never seen the push bar type locks used on many doors, in many places, for this very purpose? Geese, have you ever even been in a public building?
All in all, I think your statement that "If the "trained" police are afraid to go up against an AR-15, why would you expect a teacher to do it" may well be the most naive and/or stupid statement I've ever heard! In the first place, if they are afraid as you imply, it is not of the AR-15, but the active shooter no matter what firearm he or she chooses to use. Frankly, when many teachers have unexpectedly ended up in an active shooter situation they have apparently used their own bodies in a heroic effort to try to shield their students.
Do you really think they wouldn't rather be able to shoot back and possibly end the threat? No one here is asking any teacher or anyone else for that matter to carry a gun if they are not comfortable and capable of doing so. However, there are those that are both willing and capable and they could at least have a chance of stopping some nut job shooter if they have the tools available. In fact, it's already happened many times, yet you seem to want them to be completely defenseless and wait for the police to get there to protect them? I'm not trying to point fault at the police here, but when seconds count, the police are minutes away and that's just the reality of the situation. Honestly, the possibility of an immediate, lethal responsible can also help by being a deterrant, as these nut jobs are looking for easy targets that can't fight back in the first place.
On another note, I simply don't understand what you talking about when you referred to "Gun Insurance" and have no idea how that might help this situation. My guns are currently insured against loss, fire, and theft. However, I think your referring to something else entirely. Honestly, if somehow my purchasing "Gun Insurance" can prevent other school shootings, I'd be willing to look into it.
As, for your statistics and conclusions from them, I have to say that the parameters are far too subjective to draw any meaningful conculsions. Looks like yet another attempt to manipulate statistics to suit your personal and political agendas. So, blow that smoke elsewhere as your conclusions are laughable at best!