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Oct 19, 2013 10:25:58   #
The shaft RPM and tip RPM as well as all points in between are exactly the same. Tip SPEED increases with prop diameter.

It IS simple math to calculate tip speed. Absolutely nothing to do with "power control" or anything else.

Simple nuff for you?

dirtpusher wrote:
your 1900 rpm is at the center an 9 in, out from center not the tip. what i been saying all along. just like on those wind generator i mentionedblades at center, speed 3 to 4 rpm. the tip speed is,

read power controll:

Power control[edit]

A wind turbine is designed to produce a maximum of power at wide spectrum of wind speeds. All wind turbines are designed for a maximum wind speed, called the survival speed, above which they do not survive. The survival speed of commercial wind turbines is in the range of 40 m/s (144 km/h, 89 MPH) to 72 m/s (259 km/h, 161 MPH). The most common survival speed is 60 m/s (216 km/h, 134 MPH). The wind turbines have three modes of operation:

this easier?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine_design
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Oct 19, 2013 10:15:59   #
That IS a rope trailing the plane.

jerrylh wrote:
It is vapor. If you blow this up you can see trailing vapor coming off the tail, looks like a rope hanging behind the plane. If you want to see some more caused by speed, Google "Prandtl-Glauert singularity".
This is caused by speed and results when there is a pressure change, but the vapor has to be in the air to get this.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1173&bih=569&oq=%22Prandtl-Glauert+singularity%22.+&gs_l=img.12...289790.293182.1.295329.1.1.0.0.0.0.109.109.0j1.1.0....0...1ac.1j2.29.img..2.15.638.-DuuU1OcbrI&q=%22Prandtl-Glauert%20singularity%22.
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Oct 19, 2013 01:34:53   #
CaptainC wrote:
The original issue was about prop tip speed and how it was close to or faster than Mach 1. Never.
Where did that baloney come about a Stearman and the T-6?

OK if the radius of the prop is 40", then the circumference is 40x3.14=125.6 inches.

So if the rpm is 1900, then in one minute, the tip travels 1900x125.6=238640 inches or 19,886 feet. About 3.7 miles.


To convert ft/min to MPH, multiply the ft/min by .0114 = 226 mph.

Mach 1 at sea level with a standard atmosphere is 761 mph.

You guys need to stick to mis-information about cameras and leave the aviation stuff alone. :-)

Not too good at math, either.

Nest subject: Retreating Blade Stall. ;-)
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Did you mean Diameter of the prop?
The bologna came from wiki.
And the retreating blade stall happens on helicopters.
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Oct 19, 2013 01:08:33   #
dirtpusher wrote:
surely do believe so. did you read about prop speed i posted? need too.


About how a prop is LESS efficient as it nears mach 1?
Thats what I said earlier, thanks for agreeing.
Back to your original post I replied to, "mach 2-3"??? impossible.
I'm tired of banging my head against a wall.
I give up....
:roll:
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Oct 19, 2013 00:54:29   #
dirtpusher wrote:
better get your calculator again. it lots faster than engine rpm speed. guarantee that 1900 your talking about is engine rpm.


Do you even know what a turboprop is?
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Oct 19, 2013 00:50:04   #
dirtpusher wrote:
got another question maybe easier. take one those big wind generators. how fast do you think that tip speed is at it's maxim operating speed of 50 mph winds. winds any faster it shuts it self down. at center shaft it is barely moving.



So, when you are proved wrong you just post random crap?

The shaft is turning the same rpm as the tips.
Modern wind turbines have a typical rotation speeds of 5-20 rpm. The most common max wind speed is 134 MPH.

Explain how it "shuts itself down"?

As the wind speed approaches max for a given turbine it will use different methods of slowing the turbine such as blade pitch, yaw and braking.
I don't know what that has to do with an airplane prop.
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Oct 19, 2013 00:07:01   #
Simple math says its not supersonic tip speed.
Here is the aircraft in question, 1992 Cessna 208 CARAVAN Amphibian, P&W (C) PT6A 600 shp engine.
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000219103L.html


dirtpusher wrote:
tip speed ratio is held constant at its optimum value (typically 6 or 7). This means that as wind speed increases, rotor speed should increase proportionally. The difference between the aerodynamic torque captured by the blades and the applied torque controls the rotor speed.

don't think your looking at tip speed at all.
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Oct 18, 2013 23:52:51   #
"The Texas Turbine conversion includes a new Hartzell four-blade propeller system with 110-inch blades, four inches longer than the blades on the Grand Caravan’s three-blade McCauley prop. The TPE331 turns the prop at a maximum of 1591 rpm, compared with 1900 rpm on the PT6A-114A Caravan."

dirtpusher wrote:
loud and inefficient is correct. inefficient except on take off. xactly why get such sounds on take off.

are looking at tubo spec's? better look again.
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Oct 18, 2013 23:37:02   #
Turboprops don't have a crankshaft.
I also fail to see what that would have to do with prop tip speed?

dirtpusher wrote:

whipline is... a phenomenon referred to as "crankshaft whip," caused by the effects of centrifugal force on the crank throws at high engine rpm, 38 to 42 in. off that line almost doubles.
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Oct 18, 2013 23:32:31   #
The specs I found for that engine show 1591 shaft rpm.
A supersonic prop is extremely loud and inefficient.

Yaro, was that plane super loud as it passed by?

dirtpusher wrote:
try figurin it comes with a 3-bladed Hartzell brass edged. at
2700 RPM, Wipline 3450

whipline is... a phenomenon referred to as "crankshaft whip," caused by the effects of centrifugal force on the crank throws at high engine rpm, 38 to 42 in. off that line almost doubles.
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Oct 18, 2013 22:43:23   #
106" prop at 1900 rpm is about 600 mph tip speed.
Well under Mach 1.
I don't know of any modern planes
whos' prop tips exceed Mach 1.
A few WWII era planes did, such as the Stearman and T-6 Texan.
Captain nailed it. :thumbup:

dirtpusher wrote:
that is a
1992 CESSNA 208
(10 seater)
with a
HONEYWELL TPE331-12JR
Horsepower: 1000 (Turbo-prop)

tips of those blades at full power is going at about Mach 2 or 3 thats about how fast the water is moving.
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Oct 18, 2013 12:58:25   #
Greg K wrote:
It has Wi-Fi too

Best Buy shows it as "D5300 Digital SLR Camera with Built-In Wi-Fi and GPS",
But the specs says WIFI ready. Probably need the adapter.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/nikon-d5300-digital-slr-camera-with-built-in-wi-fi-and-gps-body-only-black/2065104.p?id=1219068631151&skuId=2065104&ref=06&loc=01&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=2065104&extensionType={adtype}:{network}&s_kwcid=PTC!pla!{keyword}!{matchtype}!{adwords_producttargetid}!{network}!{ifmobile:M}!{creative}&kpid=2065104&k_clickid=0b0518d4-f9d0-5488-abd9-00003bb7312e#tab=specifications
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Oct 16, 2013 13:49:35   #
I never buy over priced oem batteries.
I usually get the Wasabi brand from amazon.
They also have batttery/ charger combos in case you need an extra charger. I cant tell a difference in my D7100 from oem.

My first post :)
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