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Sep 25, 2011 22:27:01   #
When using a CP I will sometimes back it off to avoid a too-dark sky. Staying on the safe side, I may even take 2 or 3 pictures with the CP at different strengths.

After all, if the sky appears over-blue, then its appearance may become a distraction.
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Sep 25, 2011 22:15:52   #
gemartin: Thanks for photography Web links. Have added them to my collection. To that list, "Amazing Photographer Portfolios," in the first link, I'd add: http://www.karsh.org/#/home/ His portraits inspire me. I stare at his work to analyze the fine lighting.

BTW: You wrote, "Understanding the relationship of ISO, aperture, and f-stop is important." I believe you meant to include shutter speed. But yes, success in taking pictures requires understanding these three variables and their relation.
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gemartin wrote:
Actually increasing the ISO does not lose resolution as an earlier post says, it increases the light sensitivity of the image sensor. This is sometimes necessary in poor/low light situation. What it typically does is add digital noise to your image. Some noise can be dealt with in post processing by software such as Lightroom, or by a plugin such as Noiseware.

I noticed that on first Nikon photo of the post it says it was shot at ISO 1600, already quite high for an entry level camera such as the D5000 or a Canon Rebel.

Later when discussing the EXIF data it says that the exposure bias was set at -0.7 which (if I understand the Nikon terminology correctly) means that the image was purposely being underexposed by 0.7 stops (almost a full stop). Probably not a good idea in low light.

Understanding the relationship of ISO, aperture, and f-stop is important.

The issues are that entry level cameras such as my Canon Rebel XSi coupled with a not very "fast" lens such as Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 will simply not be able to shoot at a shutter speed fast enough to stop the blurring. When you zoom this lens with its variable f-stop to 250mm, you get a maximum aperture of f/5.6.

Let's compare to a lens that can get to f/2.8 at the same zoom level. It is typically very expensive to have a lens that is "fast" across the entire zoom range - such as Canon 24-70 f/2.8 - capable of maintaining f/2.8 throughout the zoom range. This lens sells for $1400 new. A Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II sells new for $2500+. These are considered fast because of their maximum f/2.8 aperture capability.

Each full f-stop change doubles or halves the amount of light coming through the lens (e.g., using f/5.6 as the center you would compare as follows: f/4 vs. f/5.6 vs. f/8.

So, if you were shooting at f/2.8 at 1/1000th to freeze the leg motion, to get the same image exposure at f/4 you would have to slow your camera down to 1/500th (possibly getting some blurring), to shoot at f/5.6 (the maximum possible when zoomed with the kit lens), you will have to shoot at 1/250th. So the camera will take 4 times as long to capture the image and it is very likely that the legs will appear blurred. This leaves us with only one out, increase the ISO even more. Doubling the ISO sensitivity is the same as adding an f-stop.

For example exposure-wise, shooting at f/5.6 1/500th ISO 100 is the same as f/4 1/500th ISO 200. Every time you double the ISO, you increase sensitivity by same amount as opening the lens one full stop (e.g., change from f/8 to f/5.6) or doubling the exposure time (e.g., 1/500th vs. 1/250th). To shoot at higher shutter speed, we increase the ISO (in this example if we increase ISO to 400 (vs. original ISO 100) we can now shoot at f/5.6 1/2000 ISO 400 - compared to our original setting f/5.6 1/500th ISO 100 in this example. freezes the legs, adds noise.

Anything above ISO 800 on entry level Canon camera (Rebel XS or XSi) will inject noise into the image and I am not sure what the threshhold is for Nikon cameras but physics are the same in terms of noise and sensor sensitivity. Sometimes we simply have to endure the noise if we are going to get the image at all (because we have to keep cranking up the ISO so the camera can properly expose the image).

Here is a link to a 2007 article on cameraporn.net (ITS NOT PORN) that is a decent explanation of the relationship of the triangle of exposure called ISO, Speed, Aperture http://www.cameraporn.net/2007/12/24/aperture-iso-and-shutter-speed-the-good-kind-of-threesome/

Lastly, here is the camerporn.net link to 60 useful photo web sites (it is helpful to have this in your favorites!) http://www.cameraporn.net/2008/05/12/60-photography-links-you-cant-live-without/
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And finally, if after you raise the ISO, open the lens as far as it will go, but you still can't get a shutter speed that will "do it" for you ...

What to do? Personally, I put my camera away and enjoy the show. Sometimes, you don't have the right stuff to do what you want. You can't make the equipment do what it won't do.
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Sep 24, 2011 16:28:42   #
hobbycam: I like your photos from Farmers Market. You sure have an eye for color. The photo of the grapes stands out. One nitpick. That bright spot at the top distracts. Because not a grape, it doesn't fit.

The picture of the clay pots makes me want to jump in my car, and drive to FM to buy one. Ha, ha.

Post more of your colorful images.
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Sep 24, 2011 16:21:36   #
Another approach. Set your camera to Program Mode. In this mode, the camera will set both the Shutter Speed and the Aperture. Set the ISO to Automatic. The camera will select the ISO value. Set the camera metering to Evaluative Metering so the camera meter reads the whole scene for the exposure.

Using these settings, the camera exposes the image for the scene automatically. Most of the time, the camera will capture the scene with an acceptable exposure. Very interesting.

You may notice, however, that for a given scene, the camera will underexpose the image. Adjust the Exposure Compensation to increase exposure as needed.

P Mode does have shortcomings. For example, this mode may select a large Aperture setting, blurring the background when you prefer it to show in focus.

If so, you could do the following: Note all the settings P Mode used for the exposure. Then put your camera in Manual Mode. Set it for the Shutter Speed used. Select the desired Aperture. Then adjust the ISO higher to match the change in value of the Aperture.

For example, if P Mode used f/4, and you wanted f/5.6 (a full stop difference), then you would boost the ISO one stop higher, from, say, 200 to 400.

Obviously, going from f/4 to /5.6 cuts the incoming light by one half (also known as one stop). Raising the ISO from 200 to 400 doubles the sensitivity of the digital sensor. This ISO doubling compensates for the Aperture halving.

Let me please say I understand this description may appear difficult to follow. I taught myself photography, and hence recall the painful learning curve of this process. If I had it to do all over, I'd spend more time early on learning the inter-relationship of ISO, Shutter Speed, and Aperture. A change in any one affects exposure.

BTW: I do use P Mode. Recently, I walked around in Europe during a 3-week tour shooting in this mode, generally capturing properly exposed images. I had to shoot quick and dirty to keep up with my tour group. Now and then, though, I’d quickly revert to Manual Mode as described above, when time permitted, to adjust camera settings for a better exposure.

Good luck.
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Sep 24, 2011 14:17:37   #
Notice the overall underexposure of your first posted image. The EXIF data shows a -.7 bias, which to me means the camera underexposed the image by 2/3 of a stop. This fact would account in part for the horse having little detail and tonality.

Keep it simple. Set the ISO to 400 (or perhaps 800). Put your camera on Shutter Speed Priority, and set it for, say 1/200 sec. This SS should stop the motion of horse legs strutting. The camera will select the Aperture.

Set the camera for Evaluative Metering. This setting will read the whole scene for setting exposure.

At some distance, even a large aperture like f/2.8 will tend to keep the main subject in focus showing sharp detail.

With these settings, the camera will of course try to expose the scene for an 18-percent gray tone (thereby producing an underexposed image). So set the Exposure Compensation to +1 or +1.5. Experiment with the EC.

These settings will also work for photographing airborne aircraft and for objects in snow or bright sand (except you'd likely start with a lower ISO setting). The same circumstances of a dark subject against a bright field will prompt the camera to underexpose the main subject. Ride the EC to gain a good exposure under these circumstances.

The histogram of an image will tell you if the exposure values have been adequately captured. In the histogram, you should see the displayed values reaching the rightmost part of the graph without touching or bunching up against the right side of the graph.

Learn the histogram if you haven’t already. It informs you of the image exposure. This Web page presents a useful explanation of the histogram in photography: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/understanding-series/understanding-histograms.shtml
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Sep 24, 2011 13:49:52   #
To gain an impression of what the Original Farmers Market has to offer, go to: http://www.farmersmarketla.com/

In Google Images, enter the words in quote marks "farmers market los angeles" to search for images. This search returns many images for your review, and will give you a sense of the scenes you'll find at the FM.

If I planned to go there, I'd consider taking at minimum a mid-range zoom lens, like a 17-50mm or a 17-70mm, for capturing a variety of images.

A fixed focal length lens might prove useful as well, depending on your style and intentions.

The FM appears ripe for doing close-up and macro photography. Bringing along a macro lens will then become a consideration.

You may also wish to bring a circular polarizer, for outdoors photos.

If you do flash photography, then of course you'll want to bring along that gear, too.

After my brief research, now I want to visit FM, too.

Post some of your photos here. Good luck.
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Sep 24, 2011 12:37:50   #
The Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 lens "features a micro-USM AF drive including full-time manual (FTM) override in one-shot AF mode." [http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/159-canon-ef-50mm-f14-usm-test-report--review]

Let me please say you cannot go wrong in buying this fine lens. Canon introduced this lens in 1993, during the film era, and so the lens has optical characteristics suited to film. This fact will produce images with a pre-digital appearance.

The Canon EF 35mm f/2 (released in 1990) will give a FL of 56mm on your XT. You can buy this interesting, useful lens for a little over $300 new. [http://www.samys.com/index/page/product/product_id/5098/product_name/EF+35mm+f2.0+Lens]

You may wonder why Canon keeps these older lenses in its lineup. In my use of these lenses, the answer became clear: They still function as intended to produce satisfying images at a reasonable cost.
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Sep 24, 2011 11:23:11   #
gessman: Our tour guide warned us about Gypsies. Maybe I got away lucky for only collecting images of them. The standing Gypsy lady I gave some coins to, and she became very thankful. She let me take her picture.
gessman wrote:
anotherview wrote:
gessman: Thanks for enjoying my pictures. Yes, staying on the move with a camera in hand may become a consuming activity, and stimulating, too. I know what you mean about keeping the viewfinder to your eye. Ha, ha. In fact, I find myself taking pictures without a camera as I stroll or drive around.

As to exposure, I seldom use a grey card. I consult the histogram to make sure enough values appear in the rightmost part of the graph (a little short of pushing up against the right side and blowing out the highlights). I try for a correct exposure in the camera.

Later, during editing with ACR and CS5, I apply simple computer techniques for setting the image grey point and the black and white points. These image settings produce a foundation for color, contrast, brightness, saturation, and overall tonality. I follow a fairly straightforward workflow.

Do you like Gypsies? I took a picture of two in Rome.

gessman wrote:
Beautiful. Absolutely gorgeous. Again, you nailed 'em just right and didn't even have to use a grey card. Doesn't get much better than that. I know what you mean about the letdown. I've not gone as many places as I'd like but it is exciting to see all the new stuff and it's impossible to keep your camera down. Often, I've seen whole vacations through the eyepiece. Later my wife asks me if I "saw that," and I'll just to say what 'cause my eye was off wandering somewhere else. Travel is good. With a good camera, it's even gooder. Thanks.
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These shots take me back. England had a contingency of gypsies when I was over there. Those rascals were into everything. I hadn't even thought of that word in years. You sure captured the essence of how I remember them and the b&w is a deserving and appropriate treatment. Another excellent job.
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Sep 23, 2011 22:15:55   #
gessman: Thanks for enjoying my pictures. Yes, staying on the move with a camera in hand may become a consuming activity, and stimulating, too. I know what you mean about keeping the viewfinder to your eye. Ha, ha. In fact, I find myself taking pictures without a camera as I stroll or drive around.

As to exposure, I seldom use a grey card. I consult the histogram to make sure enough values appear in the rightmost part of the graph (a little short of pushing up against the right side and blowing out the highlights). I try for a correct exposure in the camera.

Later, during editing with ACR and CS5, I apply simple computer techniques for setting the image grey point and the black and white points. These image settings produce a foundation for color, contrast, brightness, saturation, and overall tonality. I follow a fairly straightforward workflow.

Do you like Gypsies? I took a picture of two in Rome.

gessman wrote:
Beautiful. Absolutely gorgeous. Again, you nailed 'em just right and didn't even have to use a grey card. Doesn't get much better than that. I know what you mean about the letdown. I've not gone as many places as I'd like but it is exciting to see all the new stuff and it's impossible to keep your camera down. Often, I've seen whole vacations through the eyepiece. Later my wife asks me if I "saw that," and I'll just to say what 'cause my eye was off wandering somewhere else. Travel is good. With a good camera, it's even gooder. Thanks.
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Gypsy on Street in Rome


Gypsy Near Vatican

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Sep 23, 2011 17:44:29   #
gessman: Okay, good to hear your kind comments re my photos. I like to travel with my camera ready. Road trips stimulate me for the adventure and for my seeing new places. Never had been to Europe before this summer. On returning home, things seemed flat for a few days, without the intense stimulation of European sights, culture, and food. A couple below from Delphi, where the ancient oracle spoke.
gessman wrote:
anotherview wrote:
gessman: Getting back to you. Yes, this view of Florence has those dynamic elements you note. Converging lines and an interesting sky can dress up an image for more eye appeal. A downpour had hit the city the day before, and some clouds had lingered. Our tour group stopped at a viewpoint overlooking this historical city, and my camera captured this shot. It has become one of my favorites. A picture-taker could spend a week or more in Florence shooting its visual beauty.


Florence is a beautiful place. Haven't been there but have noticed that. I'm a huge fan of travel progs on HD Net and
love to vicariously go where I might not otherwise. I really like the outdoor cafe you included. On first glance, it looks like it has some leaning and undulating elements but upon close examination of the straight edges on both sides, you nailed it. I think it's the up and down writing on the chalk boards that give a sense of undulation. Good job. Keep 'em coming. I'm getting inspired. I just happened to recall that I have a Sigma wide lens from back in one of my Nikon stages that I can adapt to my 5D MkII. It was sure a tack sharp film lens. I'm going to dig it out and see how it stacks up in digi. Thanks for posting your shots. Do more.
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Columns, Temple of Apollo, Delphi


Columns on Steps, Delphi

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Sep 23, 2011 17:33:12   #
Fond of aircraft myself. Spent 5 years in naval aviation. Have it in my blood. Nothing like it. A couple from my collection of aircraft pictures.

Static display, Pt Mugu


Tail Gun Emplacement, B-52, MFAM

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Sep 23, 2011 12:13:06   #
The information at these Web sites will help you decide which lens to choose.


http://www.dxomark.com/index.php


http://www.lenstip.com/Main_page


http://www.photozone.de/

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These other Web sites could help, too:


http://www.luminous-landscape.com/index.shtml

http://www.kenrockwell.com/index.htm

http://photo.net/

Photo Zone gives a useful test report of the EF 50mm f/1.4 lens: http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/159-canon-ef-50mm-f14-usm-test-report--review

B&H sells this fine little lens for $379 (free shipping): http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/12140-USA/Canon_2515A003_50mm_f_1_4_USM_Autofocus.html

You surely could find a used copy of this lens for less. Good shooting.

Tracie wrote:
Hello, I am new here and have been shooting for a couple of years as hobby, I have alot to learn. I have a canon eos digital rebel xt and a ef 75-300mm f/4-5.6 lens and would like a better lens. Money is a issue so my first question would be is the 50mm f1/4 compatible with my camera? I am asking because i almost ordered a external flash at one time that was not comp. and i thought it was. And then I would like to know if this lens is a good step up (if compatible). Thank you for any imput. Tracie
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Sep 23, 2011 11:21:24   #
Shooting aircraft airborne involves a correct exposure setting for the sky minus a circular polarizer. Try these settings. Put your camera in shutter-speed mode, and pick the speed for stopping action (usually something like 1/200th second or faster, but experiment). Next, do an Exposure Compensation of plus 1 stop or a little more, adjusting for sky conditions. Note that the sky brightness will tend to make the camera meter underexpose for the aircraft. The positive EC will adjust for this meter response. When you get the settings right, your resulting image will look something like the shot of the Blue Angels below.
RPMustang wrote:
Thanks Jim... I was just curious since I am learning photography. I do a lot of aviation photgraphy with a 100-400MM lens which I just got a CP filter for. I read that the CP filter will help with the sky color. I can't always compose my shots as I would like, and many times the sun is in an unfavorable spot. I'm experimenting with the filter to see if it helps or not. The shots I get with the sun slightly behind me are the best. Nice blue sky and vivid colors on the aircraft. Other times not so good! Any advice you can give is much appreciated!
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Blue Angels, El Centro NAF

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Sep 23, 2011 11:06:04   #
gessman: Getting back to you. Yes, this view of Florence has those dynamic elements you note. Converging lines and an interesting sky can dress up an image for more eye appeal. A downpour had hit the city the day before, and some clouds had lingered. Our tour group stopped at a viewpoint overlooking this historical city, and my camera captured this shot. It has become one of my favorites. A picture-taker could spend a week or more in Florence shooting its visual beauty.
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anotherview wrote:
gessman: Yes, in my retirement, I've started traveling while paying attention and taking many pictures using several cameras and lenses. This activity I found both satisfying and stimulating.

In my experience, a wide-angle lens opens more photographic opportunities. And one does not have to spend a house payment for a decent one. Meanwhile, I tend to favor a mid-range zoom lens. Again, I use the Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4 OS lens nowadays for my walking around lens. On my Canon Rebel T2i, this lens provides an effective FL range of 27 to 112mm. I venture to say this FL range suffices for 95 percent of my photography when just walking around. B&H sells this lens for $469. I took the shot of Florence below with this combo. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/670047-REG/Sigma_668101_17_70mm_F2_8_4_DC_Macro.htmlquote=gessman]
anotherview wrote:
Yes, wide-angle shots appeal to the eye when done right, by which I mean the image minimizes object distortion or avoids obvious lack of proportion, and instead presents a sweeping view. See the images below for examples of this wide view.

In practice, regarding FL, I seek less for an effect and more for the suitability of the FL to the subject and to my intent. I deviate as circumstances dictate.

Please let me say I offer my approach here only as a description of my shooting practice.

evandr wrote:
gessman wrote:
anotherview wrote:
gessman: Thanks for kind words. For balance I must add that some of the visual attraction of these photos results from careful post-processing -- stating the obvious. Upfront, I try for an interesting subject and a good exposure.


There's nothing like a good wide angle shot.


So True! I too love a good wide angle shot; it never ceases to amaze me how the mind’s eye can look at a wide angle photo and tune out the fact that the shot is a compressed scene.

I love shooting wide angles close to the ground with a foreground subject expanding into a background subject having sharp front to back focus. I just got my new Nikkor 17-35mm f2.8D last week so I have nothing show worthy yet, I am still learning, but I have seen it done and the results are amazing. I'll post something for your consideration as soon as I get something I especially like.
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Wonderful. You've sure been blessed with trips to exotic places and you've taken full advantage of those surroundings. A real pleasure to live vicariously through your eyes and be able to encompass so much of the scene. Thank you. I don't currently have a wide angle but looking at your shots sure makes me want to go out and get one. The stuff I shoot around me here almost demands a long tele 'cause I don't want to see how close I can get to my subject matter. I probably need to broaden my view. Thanks.
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Very pleasant to look at. Interesting the way the converging lines of the buildings and the mountains and even the clouds are headed for a meeting somewhere about 10 miles out of the left side of the frame. Nice work. I've done some wide stuff before, even 4x5 which I love but in my most recent transition into digital, I just haven't picked up a wide lens yet. If I have to shoot a wide shot, I pull out a 22-55 lens that came on a EOS-IX aps film camera I bought in the mid-90's. It works well and my 5D MkII somehow keeps it from vignetting which gives me some pretty wide stuff on the full sensor. You're making me want to shoot more wide stuff. My huge dilemma is keeping undesirable stuff out of the scene. There's too much undesirable clutter in urban scenes around me that I'd really like to isolate wide. I just need to quit being so lazy. I live and die by what I see on Luminous Landscape. I'm a huge fan. Thanks again.[/quote]

Street Restaurant, Florence

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Sep 22, 2011 15:13:52   #
gessman: Yes, in my retirement, I've started traveling while paying attention and taking many pictures using several cameras and lenses. This activity I found both satisfying and stimulating.

In my experience, a wide-angle lens opens more photographic opportunities. And one does not have to spend a house payment for a decent one. Meanwhile, I tend to favor a mid-range zoom lens. Again, I use the Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4 OS lens nowadays for my walking around lens. On my Canon Rebel T2i, this lens provides an effective FL range of 27 to 112mm. I venture to say this FL range suffices for 95 percent of my photography when just walking around. B&H sells this lens for $469. I took the shot of Florence below with this combo. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/670047-REG/Sigma_668101_17_70mm_F2_8_4_DC_Macro.htmlquote=gessman]
anotherview wrote:
Yes, wide-angle shots appeal to the eye when done right, by which I mean the image minimizes object distortion or avoids obvious lack of proportion, and instead presents a sweeping view. See the images below for examples of this wide view.

In practice, regarding FL, I seek less for an effect and more for the suitability of the FL to the subject and to my intent. I deviate as circumstances dictate.

Please let me say I offer my approach here only as a description of my shooting practice.

evandr wrote:
gessman wrote:
anotherview wrote:
gessman: Thanks for kind words. For balance I must add that some of the visual attraction of these photos results from careful post-processing -- stating the obvious. Upfront, I try for an interesting subject and a good exposure.


There's nothing like a good wide angle shot.


So True! I too love a good wide angle shot; it never ceases to amaze me how the mind’s eye can look at a wide angle photo and tune out the fact that the shot is a compressed scene.

I love shooting wide angles close to the ground with a foreground subject expanding into a background subject having sharp front to back focus. I just got my new Nikkor 17-35mm f2.8D last week so I have nothing show worthy yet, I am still learning, but I have seen it done and the results are amazing. I'll post something for your consideration as soon as I get something I especially like.
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Wonderful. You've sure been blessed with trips to exotic places and you've taken full advantage of those surroundings. A real pleasure to live vicariously through your eyes and be able to encompass so much of the scene. Thank you. I don't currently have a wide angle but looking at your shots sure makes me want to go out and get one. The stuff I shoot around me here almost demands a long tele 'cause I don't want to see how close I can get to my subject matter. I probably need to broaden my view. Thanks.[/quote]

Florence from Viewpoint above Arno River (2011)

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