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Jan 21, 2018 09:12:41   #
DaveO wrote:
Has that not been how business is conducted for many years?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pork%20barrel


Yes....but that doesn’t make it right, no matter which side of the aisle it comes from.
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Jan 21, 2018 09:11:34   #
letmedance wrote:
I mean that when Trump killed the Obama executive order on DACA, he stated that congress should put together a bill that will provide for proper and fair handling of the Dreamers and he sign it. Apparently the Dems attempted to pass legislation by tying it to the budget proposal. These freaking riders should be forbidden, they invite bribery in the form of buying votes.


An add to your comment about the DACA rider....this and other controversial and weak bills are attached to bigger, less controversial bills because they don’t have a chance of passing on their own in a stand-alone bill. Slimy at best, and a beautiful example of the need for a line-item veto.
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Jan 21, 2018 09:07:48   #
letmedance wrote:
Government is evil and so are the people that tell you these lies.


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Jan 21, 2018 09:05:49   #
ole sarg wrote:
1. being rich is not evil
2. taking from the middle class to increase the pay of the rich is evil
3. passing a bill that puts more of a burden on your children is evil
4. passing a bill that increases the taxes on more people than it helps is evil
5. pushing for a bill that increases ones personal wealth by $1billion is evil as it does for Trump is evil
6. passing a bill that removes health insurance to about 13 million people is evil and hurtful to not only them but to you and me

Could go on but what for?
1. being rich is not evil br 2. taking from the ... (show quote)


0.1: you didn’t answer the question
1. Agreed
2. What’s being taken from the middle class?
2.1. Not giving them more than they’re already getting is not taking from them.
3. Agreed
4. That means social security is evil, as is the ACA. Agreed.
5. Whose wealth is increased by $1B?
5.1. Not taking a dollar does not mean that you’re increasing wealth. Giving a dollar means your increasing wealth....so, again...whose wealth is increasing by $1B?
6. What bill is removing health insurance from anyone? As far as I know, there is no bill, nor has there ever been one, that denies health insurance to anyone.
6.1. I DO know of a bill that removes the mandate for me to buy something even if I don’t want it....and that is not evil.
6.2. Passing a bill that arbitrarily forces someone to do or buy something is evil.
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Jan 21, 2018 05:25:26   #
Wellhiem wrote:
Gary Ridgway, America's most prolific serial killer, confessed to 71 murders. He was only convicted once. that gives him a 98.6% success rate. It's all about context.


Yeah, and you got it wrong again.

The man received multiple life sentences. No need to try him again and waste valuable time and money when he’s already locked up for life. This is not an uncommon practice, just like your failed arguments.....
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Jan 21, 2018 05:18:36   #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
I know POTUS45 likes to sign things for the photo opportunities and adulation. He does not offer well thought out plans for legislation, he is more of "a Big Idea" persons. You know like lets get a Tax bill done and poor old Mitch hides in a room to write it up. He wants the Senators & Reps to do all the work so he can sign something. I'm not suggesting that is wrong. Heck if the two sides could get together and make compromises instead of the current situation, legislation might get passed. The shutdown could be avoided. A budget, DACA, infrastructure, even a change in Pot as a restricted (at the Federal level) could be resolved.

Compromis is still the key but distrust reigns. What to do?
I know POTUS45 likes to sign things for the photo ... (show quote)


From a source you should find acceptable.....

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/27/573546883/trump-signed-96-laws-in-2017-here-is-what-they-do-and-how-they-measure-up

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/27/573546883/trump-signed-96-laws-in-2017-here-is-what-they-do-and-how-they-measure-up
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Jan 21, 2018 04:57:42   #
Texcaster wrote:
Bill Clinton's and the track records of all the others are a regular point of reference in this place to excuse Trump's very existence. All is not forgiven or forgotten by the winger boys. The Pussy Grabber is the Godfather of the #me too movement. Thanks Biggie!


Not sure why you are calling me Biggie, but.....

I’m just trying to figure out what your (both you individually and the you that is the liberals) standards are....they seem to change constantly.

Seems to me the bottom line and the accepted M.O. is if you can’t answer, that’s ok....just tell me my question is wrong and therefore I’m out of line.
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Jan 21, 2018 04:48:11   #
Texcaster wrote:
??? Madam, you are the only one here to mention the rich ... and in the same sentence with the Jehovas. lol. This is another Clinton thread. Jebus, I didn't even mention the middle class, nor did Samantha Bee. You may want to start another thread ... 'The Rich: Evil or Benign?


You responded to a post about the middle class in a thread about Clinton, and I know from reading your posts in other threads that you complain about the perceived preference of the current administration for making the rich even more rich at the expense of the middle class. I used Jehovas on my own as an example. It’s not an uncommon practice in a grownup conversation. I’m in the appropriate thread.....perhaps you might find another one more palatable, since you don’t seem to be able to answer and have instead claimed the question is bogus.
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Jan 21, 2018 01:45:24   #
Wasn’t this determined to be “none of anybody’s business” and “not relevant to the ability to serve” long ago. During the Clinton reign, I believe. Do we now have a new standard? Are we moving back to the dark Ages?
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Jan 21, 2018 01:40:15   #
Texcaster wrote:
or the REAL working class. Contrary to most lazy media reports it's not a whites only group of folks.



The Actual Forgotten Working Class | January 17, 2018 Act 3 | Full Frontal on TBS - Samantha Bee

https://youshare.tv/youtube/LEc29-83f8s/the-actual-forgotten-working-class-january-17-2018-act-3-full-frontal-on-tbs


So, tell me because I can’t figure this out. What is the rich guy taking from the middle class guy that makes being rich so evil? Is being rich like being a Jehova’s Witness, where only a limited number of people are allowed? What’s preventing middle class guy from taking a class or two, learning a new skill here and there, and climbing his own ladder of success?
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Jan 21, 2018 01:35:32   #
Joe Blow wrote:
Yup. Three million more votes than the Putin proxie.


Yeah....she couldn’t even get that right. Who planned the locations of those sanctuary cities, anyway? They really weren’t very strategic with that, were they?
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Jan 21, 2018 01:33:31   #
Pegasus wrote:
To help you out, I offer this one:


That’s also nearly identical to the face you get when you consider the possibility of a “President Winfrey”.
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Jan 21, 2018 01:31:23   #
Pegasus wrote:
Never.


AMEN, AMEN, AMEN. I’m right there with you.
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Jan 21, 2018 01:29:35   #
Twardlow wrote:
Editorial from The New York Times...

When the editorial board published the first edition of the Republican’s Guide to Presidential Etiquette last May, we hoped to provide a helpful reminder to those morally upright members of the G.O.P. who were once so concerned about upholding standards of presidential decorum. Remember the hand-wringing when Barack Obama wore a tan suit or tossed a football in the Oval Office?

Yet even as the current occupant of the White House continues to find new and shocking ways to defile his office, congressional Republicans have only lashed themselves more tightly to him. The examples come so fast that it’s easy to forget that the last one happened just four days ago, or just this morning.

As part of our continuing effort to resist the exhausting and numbing effects of living under a relentlessly abusive and degrading president, we present, for the third time in nine months, an updated guide to what Republicans now consider to be acceptable behavior from the commander in chief. As before, these examples, drawn from incidents or disclosures in the last three-plus months, do not concern policy decisions — only the president’s words and actions.
And no, we’re not even opening that Michael Wolff book.

IF YOU ARE PRESIDENT, YOU MAY NOW:

Imply, without evidence, that a television anchor was involved in a murder

Question the authenticity of a recording of you bragging about sexual assault, even though you previously admitted it was real

Say the F.B.I.’s reputation is “in tatters — worst in history” and call members of the intelligence community “political hacks”

Retweet inflammatory and fake anti-Muslim videos from an ultranationalist British group

Call the American justice system a “joke” and a “laughingstock”

Have your lawyer pay $130,000 in hush money to a porn star with whom you had an affair while your wife was at home caring for your new son

Ask, in a meeting with lawmakers on immigration policy, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?,” referring to Africa, and “Why do we want people from Haiti here? Take them out.”

Make fun of a military flag ceremony

Retweet a doctored photo of yourself with the name of a national news organization splattered on the bottom of your shoe

Continue to call for a criminal investigation of your former political opponent, whom you call the “worst (and biggest) loser of all time” a year after the election

Exploit a White House event honoring Native American veterans to mock a senator with a racially charged slur
Change a critical element of your explanation for firing your national security adviser

Shut down a bogus voter-fraud commission because “Democrat states” refuse to turn over necessary information, even though states with both Democratic and Republican leadership did, and for good reason

Tell your rich friends after your tax bill passes, “You all just got a lot richer”

Boast that you have a higher I.Q. than your secretary of state, who fails to deny that he called you a “moron”

Defend your mental competency by saying that you are “like, really smart” and a “very stable genius”

Tell your attorney general not to recuse himself from overseeing an investigation into your campaign, then when he does anyway, call it “a terrible thing”

Falsely claim that your predecessor failed to contact the families of fallen soldiers, and then exploit the death of your chief of staff’s son to defend yourself

Threaten to take away a TV network’s broadcast license for reporting on your deliberations about the nation’s nuclear arsenal

Threaten to use federal tax law to punish a professional sports league for letting its players express political opinions

Tell reporters that “It’s frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write, and people should look into it”

Warn American citizens in Puerto Rico, only weeks after a catastrophic hurricane, that the federal government can’t help them out “forever,” even as you tell victims of a hurricane in Texas, “We are with you today, we are with you tomorrow, and we will be with you EVERY SINGLE DAY AFTER, to restore, recover, and REBUILD!”

Spend one-third of the first year of your taxpayer-funded presidency visiting your own golf courses or properties

While debating policy with lawmakers on live television, accidentally agree to a deal that is the opposite of what your party wants, get corrected by the House majority leader, and then release an official White House transcript that omits the exchange

Insult people, places and things constantly

Say that your former White House adviser and campaign chief has “lost his mind,” after another former adviser and campaign manager is indicted on money laundering and other federal charges

Claim that a new tax bill you support will “cost me a fortune,” even though it will probably save you millions, but who knows since you refuse to release your tax returns

Fail to grasp the basic science of climate change

Take credit for the fact that no one died on a domestic commercial airliner during your first year in office

Tell attendees at a rally to be “happy you voted for me,” and that they are “so lucky that I gave you that privilege”

Continue to mock foreign leaders by implying that they are, among other things, “short and fat”

After helping to negotiate the release of college athletes arrested in China, say “I should have left them in jail” after the father of one of them — whom you call “the poor man’s version of Don King” — doesn’t express proper gratitude

Get in a Twitter fight with a senator of your own party, during which you mock his height

Praise the delivery to Norway of fighter planes that exist only in a video game

Call for the firing of a journalist who mistakenly tweeted about crowd size at your rally

Decline to invite Jewish Democrats in Congress to the annual White House Hanukkah party

Say that you’re “very frustrated” that you cannot tell the Justice Department what to do, but also claim that “I have absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department.”

Try to stop the publication of a book that says critical things about you and your administration

Tell more than 2,000 lies in a year, or roughly five a day

Tell your advisers that the 15,000 Haitians sent here in 2017 “all have AIDS,” and that Nigerians who saw America would never “go back to their huts”

Blame a domestic terror attack on a senator of the opposing party, and then undermine the prosecution of the attacker by calling publicly for his execution

Falsely claim a rise in British crime is due to “radical Islamic terror”

Accuse an F.B.I. agent of treason without evidence

Watch four to eight hours of cable television a day, mostly the channel that feeds you self-serving propaganda

Say a female senator of the opposing party “would do anything” for your campaign donations

Choose for federal judgeships nominees who cannot identify or explain basic legal concepts, and who were rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Association

Falsely claim that you have signed more legislation than any first-year president, when in fact you have signed less than any post-World War II president

Taunt a foreign leader who claims he has nuclear weapons by saying your “nuclear button” is “a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!”

Criticize a law that your party firmly supports, then, two hours later, reverse yourself


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/20/opinion/the-Republicans-Guide-to-Presidential-Etiquette.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region
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The best part of all of that? We live in a country where we can all do all of that.....and it happens consistently right here.....most of it is the liberal M.O. You spot it, you got it.
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Jan 21, 2018 01:24:13   #
dirtpusher wrote:
Will your guidance be able to create without a worker.
Will tour cooktop make the meal with out wood.


My cooktop runs on electricity (and WiFi.....how cool is that?!), which has no intelligence whatsoever and no business acumen....just like the worker. Without direction, both are useless.

No, workers don’t generate wealth. They’re only a tool .... unless and until they develop business and leadership skills. If they then take those skills and build a business...and use more workers....then they will create success and earn wealth.

Unless, of course, we’re talking communism or socialism....in which case everyone is equal and nobody produces much of anything, let alone wealth.
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