FredB wrote:
B&W is not a medium. It's a technique. A medium is the CARRIER for the vision - charcoal, pen & ink, crayons, watercolors, etc.
Why is it that some people can't understand what I wrote? Is it that obtuse? I've re-read my original post in this thread from 13 pages ago, and nowhere in it do I say these things:
1) All B&W is crap
2) Your B&W is crap
3) My color is better.
I simply said, and I suggest those with a problem understanding re-read it, is that A good percentage of B&W these days is created by new photographers who don't understand how to shoot it, have a bad shot to start with and think that converting to B&W automatically makes it better.. The same goes for photographers who use selective coloring, excessive Photoshopping, and so forth. It's crap.
If that rankles your sensibility that's too bad. If it hits too close to home, that's too bad. If you have not done this, and all of your black and white pictures are perfectly marvelous, then obviously my comments don't apply to you.
Nowhere did I claim that my shots were better. Nowhere do I claim that it's not a good idea to LEARN how to shoot B&W. (It probably IS a bad idea to display your crude learning attempts in a gallery on SmugMug or Flickr as if you are the next Steiglitz or Adams, but no one seems to understand that around here.)
Of course, now some people will jump all over me for defending my position, or tell me to "lighten up" or whatnot, but I'm not doing anything more than they did when they derided my statements.
To those who want to see my crappy color, I suggest simply looking at the posts I've made in the Photo Gallery section. They may well be crap. If you think they are, convert them to B&W and see if they're magically better...
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People need to experiment, and that is what I was trying to say. With digital photography and many photo sites, a good photograph is a matter of interpretation. If one wants to improve a photo in B&W it may improve the photo or it may not. But to call anything crap which is the term you did use, is subjective. We need to see our ideas out there. I do a lot of posts in Flickr and I do state the flaws in the photo that I post as a way to tell the viewer why it does not come out as good as it should be. It is a learning experience and semantics aside, whether it is a medium or carrier, it is an expression in seeing and not all seeing may be art, we like to try. B&W has a set of its own rules and it takes time to figure that out and if turning a bad color photo in B&W is a way to learn the rules, more power to the artist. We need to urge people to experiment more and that is what I like to do. If you start with the crappy photo, so be it, but you will learn and hopefully improve.