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Jan 22, 2014 20:21:24   #
timmah1979 wrote:
For me, I prefer black and white over color. I think it allows for a little more creativity. This is my view personally, i can't (and won't) speak for others.

Don't get me wrong. Color has its place and in the right circumstances it's actually better. But when it comes to people (portraits, street photography) and buildings i think black and white is superior in that aspect.

Last summer i did some photos at the train station here in the area. its considered a "historic landmark", while the black and white looked really good, it was one of the few times i preferred color (and the ones I used to upload on this site).

So basically what I am saying in my typical (and not unusual) long winded story telling replies, is its all about choice and preferences.

I've learned early that its all about how the photographer "sees" the subject. I always see my subjects in black and white. But when i go into post processing and if it looks better in color, i run with it :)

hope that helps
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After a long winded discussion on this topic, I think you nailed it on this statement. There are so many ways of doing things that there is no one answer and that will have to come from the artist his or herself. Rules is photography come in so many packages where do you choose? The B&W issue is really subjective up to personal taste.
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Jan 22, 2014 16:21:39   #
FredB wrote:
B&W is not a medium. It's a technique. A medium is the CARRIER for the vision - charcoal, pen & ink, crayons, watercolors, etc.

Why is it that some people can't understand what I wrote? Is it that obtuse? I've re-read my original post in this thread from 13 pages ago, and nowhere in it do I say these things:

1) All B&W is crap
2) Your B&W is crap
3) My color is better.

I simply said, and I suggest those with a problem understanding re-read it, is that A good percentage of B&W these days is created by new photographers who don't understand how to shoot it, have a bad shot to start with and think that converting to B&W automatically makes it better.. The same goes for photographers who use selective coloring, excessive Photoshopping, and so forth. It's crap.

If that rankles your sensibility that's too bad. If it hits too close to home, that's too bad. If you have not done this, and all of your black and white pictures are perfectly marvelous, then obviously my comments don't apply to you.

Nowhere did I claim that my shots were better. Nowhere do I claim that it's not a good idea to LEARN how to shoot B&W. (It probably IS a bad idea to display your crude learning attempts in a gallery on SmugMug or Flickr as if you are the next Steiglitz or Adams, but no one seems to understand that around here.)

Of course, now some people will jump all over me for defending my position, or tell me to "lighten up" or whatnot, but I'm not doing anything more than they did when they derided my statements.

To those who want to see my crappy color, I suggest simply looking at the posts I've made in the Photo Gallery section. They may well be crap. If you think they are, convert them to B&W and see if they're magically better...
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People need to experiment, and that is what I was trying to say. With digital photography and many photo sites, a good photograph is a matter of interpretation. If one wants to improve a photo in B&W it may improve the photo or it may not. But to call anything crap which is the term you did use, is subjective. We need to see our ideas out there. I do a lot of posts in Flickr and I do state the flaws in the photo that I post as a way to tell the viewer why it does not come out as good as it should be. It is a learning experience and semantics aside, whether it is a medium or carrier, it is an expression in seeing and not all seeing may be art, we like to try. B&W has a set of its own rules and it takes time to figure that out and if turning a bad color photo in B&W is a way to learn the rules, more power to the artist. We need to urge people to experiment more and that is what I like to do. If you start with the crappy photo, so be it, but you will learn and hopefully improve.
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Jan 21, 2014 23:03:17   #
FredB wrote:
Hipster wanna-be-auteurs who believe that converting natural color to artificial black and white automatically turns their crap into art.


I would love to see what crap you have in color. Crap happens in any medium. Black and White like any medium is an art of seeing. Many years ago when I lived in Seattle during the middle 90's I had been shooting in color for a long time. I used to shoot a lot of B&W in the 70's and got quite good at it. I decided to try B&W again for a day and I can tell you I got mixed results. I had gotten so used to color, I had lost the eye so to speak and I realized that practice makes perfect. If you don't try, you will not succeed even if you think it is crap, practice will eventually improve your seeing eye for the B&W medium.
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Jan 19, 2014 18:18:37   #
Beautiful shot, I love the colors of the bird.
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Jan 13, 2014 01:04:25   #
The second bee in flight was the second time i got a bee in flight and did not know about it until I again downloaded to the computer. I was trying to take the bee on the sedum flower, but it flew away. I cursed that I did not get the shot, but to my surprise I got a shot that I was glad I did.

2008 cropped version 2nd bee in flight, again serendipity,Olympus point and shoot

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Jan 13, 2014 00:50:20   #
This photo was taken with a Kodak Z700 in 2006. I was taking a photo of the bee on the daisy when it flew away. I did not realize I had caught the bee in flight until I downloaded the photo.

Serendpidy, bee flying away

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Jan 10, 2014 19:18:57   #
This photo is so cute. Great composition.
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Dec 29, 2013 16:51:01   #
What a great set of photos, and I can feel the cold and imagine you with frost on you too.
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Oct 18, 2013 23:06:55   #
Bloke wrote:
I am a great lover of B&W stuff, but I have to say, the colour version of your shot was so good, that in this case I think I still prefer that. Nothing wrong with these, by any means, but I think the colour was better.


I am in complete agreement with this sentiment, the color version is really better in my opinion.
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Oct 18, 2013 23:02:54   #
Your series of photos was just awesome and the narrative was just as interesting. I got my first bald eagle shot when I was walking the Theler Wetlands trail in Belfair, WA. Unfortunately I have a bridge 17 X zoom and my eagle photo came out not as clear as yours, but one that I am proud of given with what I had.

Bald eagle at the Theler Trail Wetlands

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Oct 16, 2013 19:27:58   #
The only thing I can say is "WOW!". That was serendipity at its best and you got a fantastic shot.
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Oct 1, 2013 22:54:28   #
What a beauty, you captured her very good side.
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Sep 24, 2013 18:32:52   #
RmcBUDDY wrote:
I agree with Singing Swan. Me personally, when I post a photo for critique, I expect to be told what is wrong with the photo and what is right. I also expect to be told in a respectful manner, no need to be harsh. Let the person know what is wrong with the photo and offer some suggestions for improvement as well. It is also helpful to tell them what is right with the photo if that applies. If people feel as though they are always doing things wrong they may become frustrated and maybe give up. If the photo is not a total mess-up that is nice to know as well.
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There are many kinds of photographers, the ones that take snapshots and those that try to be photographers. I find that when a photo is panned, many do not look at the photo per say. there was a photo on this site of a bird catching a grasshopper. the lighting was to bright, it was not as sharp as could be, but this was a fast acting situation and for what the photographer had to work with, the photo was a superb one. No one panned the photo as they realized that the photographer could not ask the bird to hold that pose. We come in all sizes of sophistication as far as photography goes. We need to ask, what was the intent of the photographer? What are their skill level? When I comment I try to put myself in their shoes, and sometimes a little encouragement goes a long way.
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Sep 22, 2013 11:07:00   #
Bmac wrote:
My intent with this image was to use a wide aperture to create a non-distracting background and to use the plant on the left as a diagonal line to frame the subject and add a more interesting composition.

My question is have I succeeded or is the photograph better presented with a tighter crop which is represented in photo 2? Any additional critique or comments are welcomed. Thanks 8-)

The picture was taken with a Micro-Nikkor 105mm at ISO 400, f/3.2, 1/320 of a second with natural light. Download for additional resolution.
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I like both of them. I guess cropping is stating what you are looking for. If the details of the flower are what you are aiming for, then number two really stands out, then I would have come in a lot closer to bring the details more into focus. The first shows off the background and as you said really frames the subject. I guess there is no right or wrong just intent.
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Sep 22, 2013 10:57:02   #
You were at the right place at the right time and we call this serendipity. Shots like these cannot be planned and orchestrated for the best exposure, you get what you can get at the moment.
this is really a great capture and a little slice of nature on the go.
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