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Jul 11, 2022 12:38:18   #
JD750 wrote:
So many times I see advise to always use the lowest ISO. A recent thread someone was looking for more powerful flash unit and when asked "what ISO are you using" the response was "lowest possible". What does that mean? With modern cameras is there any reason to use "the lowest" ISO other than to obtain a slower shutter speed?

Modern cameras can utilize higher ISOs such as 400 800 even 1200 without significant noise. In fact what contributes more to noise is underexposure. Fear of bumping up ISO in fact may result in a more noisy result.

There is a limit of course. If planning on shooting in dim light it's wise to experiment, take pics, in dim light, and determine where the limit is, for ISO vs noise. This is subjective and also camera dependent. How many have done this?
So many times I see advise to always use the lowes... (show quote)


I think a lot of things have changed since the "good ole days" and that some people are still stuck in that day and time, whatever year it was. Yes, using the lowest ISO possible is the right approach but "low" has become a variable in some cases. Landscape images are easy enough, use the lowest ISO setting on your particular camera. Nature images are the same, given the light and other settings, use the lowest ISO. When shooting wildlife things change a bit. Noise is less a result of ISO than it is a result of not enough light. With wildlife using a high enough shutter speed to get the action wanted is the first part of the exposure triangle that is set. If the animal is stationary then a low ISO will work fine, given that the animal is not in the shadows or the morning light has not come up or the evening light has gone down, a lot of variables. If the animal is moving and the light is low things get very tricky, including ISO. Some cameras handle ISO better than other cameras so knowing your particular camera's limitations is key to success. The question in a low-light situation is do you want the image at all and how high can you go to get it? A dark, underexposed image can be impossible to bring up but an image taken at a higher ISO can often be saved with todays' excellent denoise software. I have images that are good images that were shot at upwards of 10,000 ISO using the Nikon Z9. In photography it's all about knowing the variables in the given situation and how to control them to the best of your ability. Don't simply stick with a low ISO and fail to get the shot or obtain an underexposed shot (which can be the "kiss of death," access the situation and variables, know your gear, your software, and act accordingly. Getting a shot with noise that can be processed out in software is better than not getting the shot at all.
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Jul 8, 2022 10:27:20   #
Nickaroo wrote:
You probably will not believe this, but I purchased and recently done so, Another D500, A D6, and 2 D850's. Just let me explain myself before you light me up. I did this because I have a Lens Mounted to Every Camera Body that I have since I shoot Michigan Football, Basketball, Hockey, and Baseball which are all of the Men's Sports, and I even started doing Women's Basketball, Softball, and Volleyball, and I must say that I have developed Women Sports to show that they do matter to my Alma Mater. It is so exciting because the Women Love to play their Dreams Out. But, when I'am not assisting the Coaches, I just sneak off to get some shots so their Parents have something to remember their Kids by. I donate 20% of my Salary back to the University due to the Fact that it was my Home for 6.5 Years. I rally do not believe that the Major players are going to chuck the DSLR"s and the Lenses that they can produce at the snap of a finger. DSLR's, I think, are here to stay for quite a few Years. When they see that not everyone can Afford the Best of Canon, or Nikon with the Z-Series, they will get backed into a corner and will fire up the Grinders and Polishers of F-Mount Glass and Canon will do the same. I do know one thing for sure, I will never fire a Camera that just has 1 Memory Card Slot.
You probably will not believe this, but I purchase... (show quote)


I cannot figure out why you wrote this in response to my reply to the poster. I'm not advocating for any one camera, they are all good in their own way. Some do one thing better than another, but in the end it's about what the photographer wants from his or her camera and can it deliver, assuming the photographer knows how to make that happen. I'm not "into" simply buying equipment because everyone else is, my purchase is generally based on what it is I want to achieve with any piece of equipment. And, BTW, I'm with you on the "Paul thing" but I don't thing you can stop him. He is annoying and I simply pass by his comments as they are often useless.
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Jul 7, 2022 21:03:29   #
davyboy wrote:
But it does diminish instead of you talking about him you become like him threw your work😊


Sorry, but I don't understand a word of this...
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Jul 7, 2022 19:13:33   #
ClarkJohnson wrote:
I have a not-so-hypothetical question for this knowledgeable and opinionated group. I primarily shoot birds and sometimes other wildlife, using a D500 and 500 PF. I get good and sometimes great results, and the usual share of unfocused images. With about $6,000 in hand, would you A) purchase a Nikon z9 OR B) take a trip to a spectacular birding location (e.g., Costa Rica). While the ideal answer is « both, » that is not an option for this discussion.


If you are happy with your gear stay with it and take the trip. If you are dissatisfied with your gear and your photographic images then try the new camera and miss the trip. Getting to know the Z9 takes a bit of time, it's somewhat different in some ways from your D500. You might also consider simply upgrading to a D850, lots of bargains right now I think, which will net you a larger file size, better IQ, and more low-light capability. I have the D500, the D850 and the Z9 as well as the 500PF, which is now attached to my Z9. It has to be a choice based on your needs, wants, desires, not that of this group.
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Jul 7, 2022 19:10:32   #
did you open the file to the Z_9_0201.bin folder...haven't loaded it yet but will do so now to see if I have a problem.
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Jul 7, 2022 19:09:16   #
davyboy wrote:
You people have got to stop worshiping Ansel Adams! He’s gone


If you were to hit the "quote reply" button then we would know to whom you were referring without having to search back through the comments. The photographers of the past are gone (yes, we know that), that's why we refer to them that way, of the past, but that does not diminish their impact on photography today. Adams had a tremendous impact on photography and is one of the reasons that photography became known as an art and not just as a science. There are many other things that he also did for photography and it's probably good to remember him and others who came and left before us as they paved the way.
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Jul 7, 2022 18:31:28   #
sgomboz wrote:
I haven’t asked anyone to do what I do my friend.. I just posted and opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I would never tell anyone how they should shoot or edit their work.. but I did laugh when someone commented that I wasn’t or anyone isn’t a professional photographer because RAW is not the setting.


And most of us know, on the comment about RAW, that the person is simply misinformed.
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Jul 7, 2022 16:03:36   #
sgomboz wrote:
Everybody talks about shooting RAW and then converting them to JPEG for final.. If you learn photography and how to expose, there is no reason you can’t shoot in JPEG. With the technology in todays cameras, JPEG photos look fantastic if you shoot correctly. Who wants to spend all their time fixing every photo. It amazes me. For some reason if you need to twerk the photo
 yes, you can fix a JPEG file to some degree. Very seldom do I have to alter my work
 that’s because I get it right when out taking the photos.
Everybody talks about shooting RAW and then conver... (show quote)


But you do understand I hope that if one does choose to shoot in RAW that image must be processed, just as a camera processes the JPEG image that is output. How one chooses to shoot and how and what they process is a personal decision and does not affect me so I really don't care about it. I shoot RAW because I like to be in charge of the changes made to the original RAW file, just like you appear to be someone who likes to shoot JPEG because you don't have the desire to be in charge of the changes made to the original RAW file. It all works as long as the photographer is happy with the outcome. Getting it "right" can actually have various meanings in the world of photography, your "right" and my "right" could be somewhat different. Obtaing a well-exposed image is a good goal to have but even what that might mean, based on what the intent is, can differ. I haven't looked at your work and I assume you are happy with it but just because you do something does not mean that everyone else should do what you do. I can do a lot more creative processing with a RAW file than my camera can do with a RAW file as the camera does not have my vision. It's about more than the basics.
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Jul 7, 2022 15:39:59   #
Gourmand wrote:
Thanks Via, Just to be clear, when I want to work on an image that is now in its original location as well as 3 different collections, if I want to make a copy with Lightroom adjustments and work in Photoshop, or if I send it to Topaz (thus creating a new image), which of the 4 images should I work on in order to have the updated image appear in all four locations, or can I do that with any one of the four and have it appear next to the other three?


To be more specific-
An original image in LrC can be dragged-dropped to any Collection in LrC and that virtual copy original image can be worked on in LrC and that metadata will show up on all virtual copies of the original image in the LrC Collections. This is all within the software.

An original image can be "sent" from within the LrC application to Topaz or PS with the Photo>Edit In command, a right click and the Edit In command, or using the shortcut key for PS, Command (Control in PC) + E. A new original image is created using the Preferences you have set in LrC, so it could be a TIFF or a PS file or something else. You work on that file, use the save function, close the working window or let the software send it back to LrC, and a new original image shows up in the LrC application window. This second image is then an ORIGINAL and is no longer associated with the original image you imported to LrC. But you can then create any number of virtual copies of THAT original and do what you want with them or drag-drop THAT original copy just like the original imported image. Having a predefined way to work is best so that when you work with original images and images changed in PS or other software plug-ins you can keep track of what is happening with the image.

My way of working with plug-in software and original images. I import the original images into LrC. I mark an image that I want to work on with a green border. I process and make any size corrections on the image first (unless it is Topaz DeNoise), for example, when assuming I am going to use PS. I use the Command+E shortcut and PS or LrC creates a TIFF file (my choice of file type) that opens up in PS. I make the PS corrections. I save and send the file back to LrC by closing the PS window. I then have two files of that image that are stacked in LrC. I delete the green border from the original image file, review the corrected PS file and make any other edits, then remove the green border from the corrected file and mark it with 5 stars. Any kind of system can work as long as it is rational and you follow it. It can get very confusing if not careful when working with an original image and making changes in various software plug-ins so you always want to keep track of the file that you are working on and want to end up with. You can use colored borders, stars, or picks and then delete those markers as needed to end up with the new original file. Each time you use any plug-in, it creates a new original file.

I hope I have been specific enough with this, explaining these things can get confusing as there are always a lot of steps involved.
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Jul 7, 2022 14:07:38   #
Gourmand wrote:
So once an image is filed by year on import, and then placed in 3 or 4 collections and sub-collections, what happens when one of them is updated and what happens when a copy with new adjustments is made in just one location? Are they all updated at the same time? Is a copy added to each collection?


There are no "real" copies, only virtual copies, no space being taken up in the computer, only a new preview. Each virtual copy of the original that is placed into a Collection is updated as per the original copy of that particular image. You can, however, create additional virtual copies from the original and do other things to that virtual copy or copies, each virtual copy is independent of the other. The reason the virtual copy in collections mirrors the original is that that specific virtual copy was added to the collection by selection or drop-drag.
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Jul 7, 2022 13:38:00   #
Lots of "if it looks right to" my eye or the eye here about rules. In fact, all of the "rules" were written based on research about how the eye transmits data to the brain and it's actually the brain that makes the decision about how something looks to us. And, not oddly since we are all similar, many if not most of us see things, generally, the same way and this is often based on the rules, known or unknown to us. Knowing the "rules" of how the brain works helps us as photographers to accomplish the goal that we have set for our image. As for judges, depending on the accomplishments of the judge, I would listen or ignore comments and advice. But if something does stick up from an exact corner we do see it as odd, but it could be that odd was what the photographer wanted to accomplish. I almost always shoot composition, so using one "rule" or another and that works well for me and generally accomplishes the goals I have set.
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Jul 7, 2022 13:07:42   #
John7199 wrote:
Hoggers
I would like to organize my photos - It seems LR is the best way.
Right now I use File Explorer in Windows. It seems that you must sort by year in LR, I don't know what year they were taken and if I did it would not help in retrieving them. Right now in File Explorer they are in files Like - All Travel - Bridges - Hot Air Balloons, etc. With sub folders breaking them down further eg - under Bridges - Covered Bridges NH - Covered Bridges MA. Some folders may have just 1 picture. How can I get this in LR? Does LR read the labels currently on the files, do you make them up as you go? The LR site is not helping so I am turning to my good friends on Ugly Hedgehog.Thanks again
John
Hoggers br I would like to organize my photos - It... (show quote)


I only quickly read what has been written...There is no one way to sort in LrC and LrC does not require any specific way to sort and, in fact, LrC has no bearing at all on the way you decide to sort EXCEPT that it mirrors your hard drive. Online at Adobe read up on the Library Module or you may find yourself in even more trouble. You can import all of your folders as is, so to speak, into LrC. A link to the online help manual: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/file-import-formats-settings.html. Use the "by original folder." It can be very difficult, once someone has sorted the way you have chosen to, to effectively use images. The reason many people use the year, as I have chosen to do, is that we use keywords and other metadata to sort the images as needed. Knowing how to use this program prior to using it is key to the successful use of the software.


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Jul 7, 2022 12:51:25   #
Jodevoy wrote:
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot raw and jpeg, which I did. I was looking over my storage yesterday and was reminded just how much space this is taking up! I use subscription Lightroom and Photoshop, if that matters to your response. I do not recall ever going back to the jpeg shots for any reason. Is there some reason I should NOT just go and delete them? It would be easy enough to do. In January I went to a SONY mirrorless and these files are even larger than before, so I am storage conscious right now. My gut instinct is to just delete the jpegs but I don’t want to cause any problems. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

Also
for the record, how many others are shooting raw and jpeg, or did I miss the memo saying this was not really necessary. (The camera “how-to experts” seem to suggest setting it up this way.).
When raw was new it seemed everyone said to shoot ... (show quote)



I have never shot RAW and JPEG, only RAW. I simply export as needed from LrC, which makes it very easy to do. I think it's only "necessary" to shoot both in rare instances, for example if you were a sports reporter and needed to send electronic images in a hurry. I'd say simply delete the jpegs and use the RAW.
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Jul 3, 2022 20:21:44   #
Abo wrote:
There's a few indicators Longy.

A classic indicator is when the main subject is shot, like you would shoot it with a gun ie
a "bulls eye" in the centre of the frame... thought for composition is
rarely necessary for a documentary image... just so long as the vital details are captured.

For example: The SOOC image I shot Thursday afternoon of the brake caliper below,
just needs to display the stainless steel bias springs for correct orientation
during reassembly.

So the pertinent parts being in the centre of the
frame does the job for a documentary photo.
There's a few indicators Longy. br br A classic i... (show quote)


Adobe (and a lot of other people) has a different take on Documentary photography...which includes the likes of Diane Arbus and skilled photographers who "documented" the Civil War. Images posted in Nat Geo are generally considered documentary images and thus are not supposed to be altered in any significant way. The image you posted, and I have many of those including the cat food my cat will eat, are not really documentary but are snapshots that we use in everyday life. Documentary photography is a well-known genre that includes, when done by a skilled photographer, work that can also be called "art." The link (and it is a crazy long link-hope it works): https://www.adobe.com/ie/creativecloud/photography/discover/documentary-photography.html?ef_id=CjwKCAjw_ISWBhBkEiwAdqxb9myQxOSRHFZDfzjQWtCbTBS3V-E_5nWlHDxjm50FuSl0mfkXpnWZwRoCV6AQAvD_BwE:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!3085!3!271592263377!!!g!!!1413573331!55719868215&gclid=CjwKCAjw_ISWBhBkEiwAdqxb9myQxOSRHFZDfzjQWtCbTBS3V-E_5nWlHDxjm50FuSl0mfkXpnWZwRoCV6AQAvD_BwE
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Jul 3, 2022 19:52:34   #
Dynamics5 wrote:
Or also via a disc?


Subscription only, as is some other software, like Microsoft. It's simply a newer way of doing business and there are many pros to be considered. Adobe is constantly updating and improving LrC and every time they improve it, add a new feature, or a new tool I get immediate access to it. The masking features in LrC are incredible now and well worth the $10 a month that it cost me. Also, the ability to find an image in a few seconds using LrC filter tools saves me a lot of time when I need a certain type of image. Using old outdate software can be troublesome as new equipment is brought into the mix.
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