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Nov 27, 2016 15:57:19   #
PNagy wrote:
Parental control over the curriculum? How about parental control over what medical procedure to apply to which illness, injury, or condition? WOW!


See, you'd apparently prefer the government decide what your children should learn. I prefer that I make that decision. We are at an impasse over who should raise our children.
And yes, I do have control over what medical procedures are applied to my children. Or I did when they were children. You're familiar with the term, "parental consent?"
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Nov 27, 2016 15:30:38   #
green wrote:

Also, I don't see where I objected to your education, I objected to your bullying.


Then why did you mention it? Feelings of inadequacy?
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Nov 27, 2016 13:17:32   #
dirtpusher wrote:
An guess you don't think it upto the student. Won't matter who in charge.


Then stop complaining about who's in charge.
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Nov 27, 2016 13:15:56   #
davefales wrote:
Doesn't work that way for me. It allows me to add to my Ignore list.


Right. Directly underneath that, if you are ignored, it should say so.
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Nov 27, 2016 13:14:40   #
green wrote:
I don't want to argue latin with you, but for palpable irony to exist in my comment, there had to be an insult to your person in there. am I correct?


No, not necessarily. If you complain about insults being used, then use one yourself, that is, in some cases, ironic. It need not be directed at anyone in particular.

In this case, you complained about my use of insults. You then proceeded to insult a bunch of other people. That is the irony. Or, if you prefer, the hypocrisy.

And I'm sorry you object to my being educated. It's a status to which you can aspire.
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Nov 27, 2016 13:10:20   #
green wrote:
You're nothing but an over-educated bully.


Would you care for some cheese with that whine?
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Nov 27, 2016 11:28:13   #
green wrote:
ironic... in my world, comparing a man to a beaten step-child and calling him a moron is an insult, but maybe not in your world... and running with your new crowd, it passes for polite conversation.


The irony was you complaining about "ad hominems," then using one in the next sentence. It is, I understand, painful to be hoisted with one's own petard, n'est–ce pas?
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Nov 27, 2016 11:25:28   #
Kmgw9v wrote:


Careful wording of gratuitous insults is important---and entertaining.


Only to the feeble-minded.
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Nov 27, 2016 11:24:33   #
PNagy wrote:
Nagy: The federal government needs to be involved in education in order to

1. assure that the state educational institutions do not again deprive students of the right to equal education based on race, or some other arbitrary factor.

2. assist with the cost of national educational objectives that some states may refuse to fund, such as education for certain technology

3. provide necessary additional support for students who need it, like language handicapped, or emotional, or physical handicapped students that a state may choose to leave behind.

4. provide consistent standards and the funding to attain them to assure that the US remains intellectually and technologically competitive.


Kombiguy: Number 1 is really a DOJ matter, not a DOE matter.

Nagy: Show me where I said it was a Department of education matter only?

Kombiguy: Number 2 may be true, but it is begging the question.

Nagy: What in the world does that mean?

Kombiguy: Number 3 makes assertions that may or may not be true, but in any case, why isn't that a matter better left to local and state governments?

Nagy: There is no doubt about the assertions. More radical politicians have gotten into state educational commissions than the national government. In that capacity they do all sorts of strange things that would be harder to pull off on the national level, like require that their crackpot religious ideas be taught in lieu of science.

Kombiguy: Number 4 makes my point exactly. If that is the purpose of the DOE, it is doing a poor job of it.

Nagy: Does not make your point at all. If there is a lack of national standards, it is due to the weakening of the national agency by people like you. The strategy is to oppose everything it does on the insane claim of states' rights, then point the finger. See? It failed. Time to abolish it.

Kombiguy: The funding that goes to the federal education bureaucracy robs the local districts of money that could be better used. Given that we are 17th in the world in educating our youth, I fail to see how the local districts and parents could do any worse.

Nagy: The funding of the Department of Education comes from general federal tax revenues. Public schools are funded through state and local taxes. Handing federal funds without guidelines to local schools does not mean they will be better used. Some of your crackpot friends would use it to teach their religion as science.
Nagy: The federal government needs to be involved ... (show quote)


Our difference seems to be fundamental. If I am reading it correctly, beyond the insults, your position seems to be that the federal government is a better steward of education than state and local entities.
My position is antipodeanly different. I believe in he principles of subsidiarity, and parental control over what their children are taught.

I suspect we are going to be unable to come to any sort of agreement on the matter, since our positions are so fundamentally different.
If I have misunderstood your position, forgive me.
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Nov 27, 2016 11:11:37   #
green wrote:
It takes a real manly man to make an ad hominem attack on the Internet... I am REALLY impressed*








*you have sunk to the level of the other gutter-dwelling regressives on this forum. Don't worry, they will welcome the extra brain cells you add to their little clique.


No, it wasn't an ad hominem. Nor was it an insult. But the irony here is palpable.
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Nov 27, 2016 11:09:18   #
Croce wrote:
If you double click on their name it brings up their made up bio and near the top it will tell you if you are on their "ignore" list.


Thanks!
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Nov 27, 2016 10:25:49   #
Keenan wrote:
Seriously? Wow. I've never felt the need to cry in public because someone put me on his/her ignore list. I didn't know I meant so much to you.


Cry? Not at all. I was bragging.
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Nov 27, 2016 10:25:03   #
davefales wrote:
How do you figure out if you are on someone else's ignore list? Please educate me.


Apparently, the only way I know is if you are being ignored by someone, you can't post on any of the threads that they create.
There may be other ways, but that's the only one I know of.
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Nov 27, 2016 10:23:22   #
PNagy wrote:
The federal government needs to be involved in education in order to

1. assure that the state educational institutions do not again deprive students of the right to equal education based on race, or some other arbitrary factor.

2. assist with the cost of national educational objectives that some states may refuse to fund, such as education for certain technology

3. provide necessary additional support for students who need it, like language handicapped, or emotional, or physical handicapped students that a state may choose to leave behind.

4. provide consistent standards and the funding to attain them to assure that the US remains intellectually and technologically competitive.
The federal government needs to be involved in edu... (show quote)


Number 1 is really a DOJ matter, not a DOE matter.
Number 2 may be true, but it is begging the question.
Number 3 makes assertions that may or may not be true, but in any case, why isn't that a matter better left to local and state governments?
Number 4 makes my point exactly. If that is the purpose of the DOE, it is doing a poor job of it.

The funding that goes to the federal education bureaucracy robs the local districts of money that could be better used. Given that we are 17th in the world in educating our youth, I fail to see how the local districts and parents could do any worse.
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Nov 27, 2016 10:18:30   #
Kmgw9v wrote:
If left to the states many smart kids born and living in the wrong state would have no opportunity to become responsible. intelligent, working, contributing citizens of this country.
You must be uneducated not to understand that.

Spending federal money on educating young citizens helps the country--it is an investment in the future.


I would agree, except that we keep falling further and further behind the rest of the developed world. Federal spending is a drain on education, not an asset.
Nice gratuitous insult, however.
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