PNagy wrote:
Nagy: The federal government needs to be involved in education in order to
1. assure that the state educational institutions do not again deprive students of the right to equal education based on race, or some other arbitrary factor.
2. assist with the cost of national educational objectives that some states may refuse to fund, such as education for certain technology
3. provide necessary additional support for students who need it, like language handicapped, or emotional, or physical handicapped students that a state may choose to leave behind.
4. provide consistent standards and the funding to attain them to assure that the US remains intellectually and technologically competitive.
Kombiguy: Number 1 is really a DOJ matter, not a DOE matter.
Nagy: Show me where I said it was a Department of education matter only?
Kombiguy: Number 2 may be true, but it is begging the question.
Nagy: What in the world does that mean?
Kombiguy: Number 3 makes assertions that may or may not be true, but in any case, why isn't that a matter better left to local and state governments?
Nagy: There is no doubt about the assertions. More radical politicians have gotten into state educational commissions than the national government. In that capacity they do all sorts of strange things that would be harder to pull off on the national level, like require that their crackpot religious ideas be taught in lieu of science.
Kombiguy: Number 4 makes my point exactly. If that is the purpose of the DOE, it is doing a poor job of it.
Nagy: Does not make your point at all. If there is a lack of national standards, it is due to the weakening of the national agency by people like you. The strategy is to oppose everything it does on the insane claim of states' rights, then point the finger. See? It failed. Time to abolish it.
Kombiguy: The funding that goes to the federal education bureaucracy robs the local districts of money that could be better used. Given that we are 17th in the world in educating our youth, I fail to see how the local districts and parents could do any worse.
Nagy: The funding of the Department of Education comes from general federal tax revenues. Public schools are funded through state and local taxes. Handing federal funds without guidelines to local schools does not mean they will be better used. Some of your crackpot friends would use it to teach their religion as science.
Nagy: The federal government needs to be involved ... (
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Our difference seems to be fundamental. If I am reading it correctly, beyond the insults, your position seems to be that the federal government is a better steward of education than state and local entities.
My position is antipodeanly different. I believe in he principles of subsidiarity, and parental control over what their children are taught.
I suspect we are going to be unable to come to any sort of agreement on the matter, since our positions are so fundamentally different.
If I have misunderstood your position, forgive me.