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Aug 19, 2012 13:39:39   #
jolly1 wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
BVM I know how you feel about that uppidy black man in your White House.

You are what is called a bigot. It is ok to be one. But, just recognize that now everyone on this thread knows you are one. Some will praise your bigotry and others like myself will hold you in disrespect and distain.

Have a good night!



That's ol sarg, all right. Bad mouthing everyone who doesn't agree with him one hundred percent. The problem is, nobody wants to agree with him because that would make them look like fools too.
Just ignore the ol fool, sooner or later he will crawl off into the corner with his bottle, and go to sleep.
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Prejudge! I don't see any wrong with ol sarg in the forum. He has a RIGHT to speak out. He did attach the links after spoke out as proof.
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Aug 19, 2012 13:32:05   #
FLandWVMIKE wrote:
CanonJC wrote:
FLandWVMIKE wrote:
Don't forget that Mitt Romney has given millions to charity. That, alone, will give him a lower rate. Also, his income is, totally, from investments. These investments are from his, already taxed income. Warren Buffet had the same situation. I believe that Joe Biden listed $300.00 as given to charity.
You liberals only want to focus on the low tax rate and not the reason why.
Do you really wonder why Romney does not want to publish his last ten years tax returns ?


Charity-Mormons only.
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You, too, are able to give to the church of your choice and receive a tax deduction.
I don't get your point.
Was it all to the Mormons ?
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Apologized, forget it after I learned from Lmarc's stated. Now I'm doubtful that he gave to charities. He must be hid them at somewhere outside of USA before filled out income tax.
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Aug 19, 2012 13:19:07   #
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
FLandWVMIKE wrote:
Don't forget that Mitt Romney has given millions to charity. That, alone, will give him a lower rate. Also, his income is, totally, from investments. These investments are from his, already taxed income. Warren Buffet had the same situation. I believe that Joe Biden listed $300.00 as given to charity.
You liberals only want to focus on the low tax rate and not the reason why.
Do you really wonder why Romney does not want to publish his last ten years tax returns ?


He must be hiding his investments in china or india, creating jobs over there instead of here., or even income from Bain when he claimed he didn't have anything to do with them shutting down companies etc
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Concur! Romney frankly is a pathological liar. Also and won't admitting for his wrongdoing.
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Aug 18, 2012 22:43:11   #
bvm wrote:
Poor family??? What poor family did Oblame-o come from?? His father was not a poor goat herder. His father, mother and grandparents were all communists. Who paid for all his years Indonesia, his flights to there, to Hawaii, His mother dumped him on her parents. How could he afford college no less Columbia and Harvard

Today a community Organizer starts out at $32,000. What do you think they payed back when he was one. Chicago is such a crime free city, it must have been very hard for him, because extortion, intimidation and theft doesn't exist in Chicago, Oh that's right the DemocRATS don't call it that in Chicago.

Like I said he's very eloquent with a teleprompter, without it, he's another idiot like Joe Biden. He's not the brains behind this whole folly.
He has had to bring in all those czars to prevent him from going off course.

How about this:
4 Simple Questions
1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?


2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists
Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It indicates that Barack Hussein Obama was his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in " Kenya ,
East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth.

How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa Protectorate".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_

3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the
listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged.

How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
_http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx_

4. Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?
Perhaps a clue comes from Obama’s book. He
states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I’m not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama’s “birth certificate” says his father
was 25 years old in 1961 when he was born. That should have put his father’s date of birth approximately 1936. WW II
was basically between 1939 and 1945... Just how many 3 year olds fight in wars? Even in the later stages of WW II his father wouldn’t have been more than 9. Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes (still qualifies as a “liar”)?

THINK, THINK, THINK for once in you life Think!
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BS! Wonder, you work for Sheriff Joe in AZ, huh.
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Aug 18, 2012 20:22:26   #
Grizzly wrote:
Wow, did I hear somewhere that under the "Ryan" plan seniors over 55 will not be affected?? Medicare will remain for them the same as it is now.


Why do you believe it? R&R really manipulate the voters. Use your judgement, not listen.
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Aug 18, 2012 20:13:45   #
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
Woody,
These are all great points. Now watch how the right wing responds to your post.
This should be fun.


Here ya go Woody.... how about some facts...

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/08/01/obamacare-robs-medicare-of-716-billion-to-fund-itself/

And then what does this mean????

The Presidents proposal does not hurt Medicare, it even expands it another 8 years whereas Romney/Ryan plan shops it by eight years. The $716 you talk about actually helps seniors under the Presidents plan. You are like the bunch of liars of the right wing party who want to scare and distort everything the president has to offer. It looks as though you and your right winger tea party folks have run out of excuses on how to put the blame on the President. It's a sad day when people have to resort to lies and distortion in an attempt to win an election. The tide has been changing and it's moving more and more to the favor of the President. Like I've said before Mr. Romney had his chance and he completely squanderd his chance. He's loosing round every day and it's just too latye for him to overcome his lies and mistakes. Just yesterday it was reported by MSNBC that Ryan executed 11 lies about the Prsident and his policies. That's just pathedic. I'm enjoying it. He even got up at the retirement center in Florida this morning and told another lie about the President. Shit, their noses are really growing.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/314077/democrats-growing-medicare-dilemma-yuval-levin

The president has no plan other than tax the Rich and that is no plan at all as it solves nothing.
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Did you bother to read the article or even do some research.. The president's plan cuts medicare and moves the money to the ACA there is no getting around that... He lowers reimbursement rates to a point that many service providers will stop accepting medicare patients... but yes, on paper he extends the program another 8 years... but it does seem to me that the congress has year after year passed a doc fix for Medicare because they will not actually put the cuts into place... The president has done nothing to save medicare and he has taken 700 billion from the program, those are the facts..
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Your dead wrong! Where is the money going that Romney/Ryan will cut? Tell me the lies Romney/Ryan are attempting to brainwash the voters. Romney got the White Board out and completely made an ass out of himself. Just goes to show you they just are incompetent, there's no two ways about it.
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Concur!
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Aug 18, 2012 20:10:00   #
Jackinthebox wrote:
leither wrote:
A couple of years ago my wife & daughter were on holiday in Florida. She came back with a football (American) for me. Make - Wilson. Made by - Wilson in Chicago Il. MADE IN CHINA.
Daughter & son both have iPhones - Made by Apple - MADE IN CHINA.
A few years ago Levi closed their factory in England and move to the FAR East - Dysan vacuums did the same.
Bottom line - it's not only your politicians who are letting jobs go abroad, many private companies in your own countries are shafting their countrymen & women just so they can get their goods made cheaper in the Far East. Do they pass these profits on - not a hope in Hell.
Not being a political animal I must admit I'm puzzled by these things call Capitalism and Communism.
Seems to me some are just out to make as much money as possible no matter who's head gets stood on.
It's a weird world.
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Good points leither. Thanks for bringing it clearly.

Now about Capitalism and Communism.

It is Capitalism when private citizens owning stock in companies elect leadership for their companies and they make management decisions. Good or bad in your or my view but only their view counts.

It is Communism when the government comes in and to obtain the union vote (not stock holders) makes rules crippling the company and eventually take over the company with taxpayers money. All to get the union vote.

Capitalisms works and Communism has been a total disaster in the USSR and in China.

You are a communist if you support a communist inspired leader like Obummer leading the country to ultimate disaster.
I am an American hating to see it come to this.
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Phony!! You are out of mind. You need a help.
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Aug 18, 2012 20:07:32   #
FLandWVMIKE wrote:
Don't forget that Mitt Romney has given millions to charity. That, alone, will give him a lower rate. Also, his income is, totally, from investments. These investments are from his, already taxed income. Warren Buffet had the same situation. I believe that Joe Biden listed $300.00 as given to charity.
You liberals only want to focus on the low tax rate and not the reason why.
Do you really wonder why Romney does not want to publish his last ten years tax returns ?


Charity-Mormons only.
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Aug 18, 2012 20:05:00   #
Jackinthebox wrote:
CanonJC wrote:
the_imaginist wrote:
Mitt Romney has told us that he did in fact pay the required 13% taxes during the past 10 years. Okay Mitt we'll trust you on this, BUT as we were taught by that great American President Ronald Reagan, "Trust, but verify."

And so somewhere in those 10 years, or even 5 years as was just suggested, there is something that Mr. Romney doesn't want "us the people" to see. Here is what I suspect, That he was so heavily invested in China that it would be proven that he prefers to create Chinese jobs as opposed to American jobs. Heck... "you people" just demand too high of wages and medical insurance and paid vacations and sick pay. The people of China don't. "You people" affect my bottom line way more than the people in China, so I prefer to invest my money in creating jobs for them, not "you people." Don't believe it? Next time you see him on the campaign trail ask him about Global-Tech Appliances Inc., it's a Chinese firm that he had invested in around 1998-2000. It was a Chinese appliance manufacturer trying to get a foot hold in making refrigerators, etc. that used to be made here. China vs. American jobs.

So yes Mr. Romney "we the people" will trust you on the taxes, but we're still going to need verification.
Mitt Romney has told us that he did in fact pay th... (show quote)


All news said the middle class people pay 12.9% tax for earning average $50,000 to 70,000. Romney stated that he paid 13%. BS! He makes lump of millions dollars each of the years. He should pay around 30%.
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He should pay what he owes and it is none of your business.
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It does matter to us to know the truth. He is extremely cheater! He is definitely damaged all (middle class citizens) Americans's jobs. He is a triator!
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Aug 18, 2012 20:00:19   #
leither wrote:
A couple of years ago my wife & daughter were on holiday in Florida. She came back with a football (American) for me. Make - Wilson. Made by - Wilson in Chicago Il. MADE IN CHINA.
Daughter & son both have iPhones - Made by Apple - MADE IN CHINA.
A few years ago Levi closed their factory in England and move to the FAR East - Dysan vacuums did the same.
Bottom line - it's not only your politicians who are letting jobs go abroad, many private companies in your own countries are shafting their countrymen & women just so they can get their goods made cheaper in the Far East. Do they pass these profits on - not a hope in Hell.
Not being a political animal I must admit I'm puzzled by these things call Capitalism and Communism.
Seems to me some are just out to make as much money as possible no matter who's head gets stood on.
It's a weird world.
A couple of years ago my wife & daughter were ... (show quote)


Yes true!
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Aug 18, 2012 15:43:27   #
Jackinthebox wrote:
jjristv wrote:
Hello,
I believe that the fault of all this is the hospitals. They over charge the insurances. If everybody would check the bills the hospitals generate when you check out you should see that they charge for things that you never used. For instance, they like to put oxygen on me every time I've been admitted. By the next day I tell them I don't need it, however, they still charge it for what ever days you stay.


In the hall way while pushing the drip stand coming from the bathroom I stumbled in to a Dr. I know. He was surprised to see me and we exchanged hellos. Later I see his name on my hospital bill several times as having participated in my surgery. He was never there. The hospital told me not to bother, just sign the paperwork. Your insurance takes care of your billing.
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If I were in your shoes, I would inform Gov. SSA/Medicare about it.
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Aug 18, 2012 15:41:39   #
Fstop12 wrote:
Myth 4. Finding a Primary Doctor who will accept Medicare. I hardly believe this will be a problem considering the rising trend of Private Practice Physician Groups selling their practices to the Hospitals. The doctors are then EMPLOYEES of the hospital. Hospitals derive a huge amount of money from Medicare patients. Most people would not even know that their lifelong primary care physician or specialty doctors are no longer self-employed. Hospitals are the Huge Gorilla in the room when it comes to dictating to Insurance companies what they want to be paid for services.If the hospitals don't get what they want, then they don't accept your company paid insurance plans. It's happening everywhere. Pay attention. Want to know what's going on in healthcare? Follow the money!
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Concur
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Aug 18, 2012 15:32:39   #
jjristv wrote:
Hello,
I believe that the fault of all this is the hospitals. They over charge the insurances. If everybody would check the bills the hospitals generate when you check out you should see that they charge for things that you never used. For instance, they like to put oxygen on me every time I've been admitted. By the next day I tell them I don't need it, however, they still charge it for what ever days you stay.


Understand your situation. The greedy executive boards did the idea for charges anything in all hospitals to make billions dollars. So they can get the bonuses-millions dollars. GREEDY!!!
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Aug 18, 2012 15:26:06   #
the_imaginist wrote:
Mitt Romney has told us that he did in fact pay the required 13% taxes during the past 10 years. Okay Mitt we'll trust you on this, BUT as we were taught by that great American President Ronald Reagan, "Trust, but verify."

And so somewhere in those 10 years, or even 5 years as was just suggested, there is something that Mr. Romney doesn't want "us the people" to see. Here is what I suspect, That he was so heavily invested in China that it would be proven that he prefers to create Chinese jobs as opposed to American jobs. Heck... "you people" just demand too high of wages and medical insurance and paid vacations and sick pay. The people of China don't. "You people" affect my bottom line way more than the people in China, so I prefer to invest my money in creating jobs for them, not "you people." Don't believe it? Next time you see him on the campaign trail ask him about Global-Tech Appliances Inc., it's a Chinese firm that he had invested in around 1998-2000. It was a Chinese appliance manufacturer trying to get a foot hold in making refrigerators, etc. that used to be made here. China vs. American jobs.

So yes Mr. Romney "we the people" will trust you on the taxes, but we're still going to need verification.
Mitt Romney has told us that he did in fact pay th... (show quote)


All news said the middle class people pay 12.9% tax for earning average $50,000 to 70,000. Romney stated that he paid 13%. BS! He makes lump of millions dollars each of the years. He should pay around 30%.
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Aug 17, 2012 17:11:41   #
Wabbit wrote:
Maybe cars should be outlawed seeing how many deaths are caused by them ..... it's not the driver mind you, it's the cars

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/06/1028157922214.html


I had seen this news in few years ago. It was happened in Houston, TX. Wife is still in the prison at Huntsville, TX.
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