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Feb 1, 2013 16:33:21   #
DanDickens2 wrote:
It wasn't the gun nor Adam that did the killing - IT WAS THE BULLET that did it - and you all know that.


Thanks for the info. all that time I thaught it was due to
heart failure.Like, life stops once the heart stops. Just
wondering where would that bullet be if poor old senile
Adam hadden pull that there trigger. Wait maybe we could
find out who made that bullet and then find out who put
it together and put him or her on trial. No that wouldn't
be enough for the ones on the far left, let's see who de-
lievered the bullet to the store where Adam purchased
the bullet, no that wouldn't be enought, I know what about
addmitting that Adam was senile, you know crazy, men-
tally disturbed. No that wouldn't work either, reason be-
ing the far left would have to show proof where a person
in his or her right mind ever shot any one unlawfully.
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Feb 1, 2013 14:22:42   #
neen wrote:
OMG :roll:


Look who's incharge of the W.H.
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Feb 1, 2013 13:33:22   #
UP-2-IT wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down
Fact-checking some of the gun lobby's favorite arguments shows they're full of holes.
—By Dave Gilson | Thu Jan. 31, 2013 3:01 AM PST
192

By cutting off federal funding for research and stymieing data collection and sharing, the National Rifle Association has tried to do to the study of gun violence what climate deniers have done to the science of global warming. No wonder: When it comes to hard numbers, some of the gun lobby's favorite arguments are full of holes.

Myth #1: They're coming for your guns.
Fact-check: No one knows the exact number of guns in America, but it's clear there's no practical way to round them all up (never mind that no one in Washington is proposing this). Yet if you fantasize about rifle-toting citizens facing down the government, you'll rest easy knowing that America's roughly 80 million gun owners already have the feds and cops outgunned by a factor of around 79 to 1.


Sources: Congressional Research Service (PDF), Small Arms Survey

Myth #2: Guns don't kill people—people kill people.
Fact-check: People with more guns tend to kill more people—with guns. The states with the highest gun ownership rates have a gun murder rate 114% higher than those with the lowest gun ownership rates. Also, gun death rates tend to be higher in states with higher rates of gun ownership.


Sources: Pediatrics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Myth #3: An armed society is a polite society.
Fact-check: Drivers who carry guns are 44% more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77% more likely to follow them aggressively.
• Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without.
• In states with Stand Your Ground and other laws making it easier to shoot in self-defense, those policies have been linked to a 7 to 10% increase in homicides.

Also see our yearlong investigation of gun laws and mass shootings: America Under the Gun.
Myth #4: More good guys with guns can stop rampaging bad guys.
Fact-check: Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 30 years: 0
• Chances that a shooting at an ER involves guns taken from guards: 1 in 5

Myth #5: Keeping a gun at home makes you safer.
Fact-check: Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.
• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.
• 43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.
• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.


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Myth #6: Carrying a gun for self-defense makes you safer.
Fact-check: In 2011, nearly 10 times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
• In one survey, nearly 1% of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at their claims found that more than 50% involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
• A Philadelphia study found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.

Myth #7: Guns make women safer.
Fact-check: In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers.
• A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than 7 times if he has access to a gun.
• One study found that women in states with higher gun ownership rates were 4.9 times more likely to be murdered by a gun that women in states with lower gun ownership rates.

Myth #8: "Vicious, violent video games" deserve more blame than guns.
Fact-check: So said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre after Newtown. So what's up with Japan?

United States Japan
Per capita spending
on video games $44 $55
Civilian firearms
per 100 people 88 0.6
Gun homicides
in 2008 11,030 11
Sources: PricewaterhouseCoopers, Small Arms Survey (PDF), UN Office on Drugs and Crime

Myth #9: More and more Americans are becoming gun owners.
Fact-check: More guns are being sold, but they're owned by a shrinking portion of the population.
• About 50% of Americans said they had a gun in their homes in 1973. Today, about 45% say they do. Overall, 35% of Americans personally own a gun.
• Around 80% of gun owners are men. On average they own 7.9 guns each.

Myth #10: We don't need more gun laws—we just need to enforce the ones we have.
Fact-check: Weak laws and loopholes backed by the gun lobby make it easier to get guns illegally.
• Around 40% of all legal gun sales involve private sellers and don't require background checks. 40% of prison inmates who used guns in their crimes got them this way.
• An investigation found 62% of online gun sellers were willing to sell to buyers who said they couldn't pass a background check.
• 20% of licensed California gun dealers agreed to sell handguns to researchers posing as illegal "straw" buyers.
• The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives has not had a permanent director for 6 years, due to an NRA-backed requirement that the Senate approve nominees.

Icons in gun ownership chart: Handgun designed by Simon Child, rifle designed by Nadav Barkan, shotgun designed by Ammar Ceker, all from the Noun Project
10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down br Fact-checking some ... (show quote)


Sarge, Thanks so much for quoting the facts, truth, the honesty will bring the rats out of their hiding places. I guarantee you that if Hitler were still around That Frog,
Wayne LaPierre, would be standing right next to him. I do not trust that man. The NRA has to much power for a supposedly non-political party.
quote=ole sarg 10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down br Fac... (show quote)


Wonder why the Liberials are so concerned about how
many weapons I own and why do they want me to register
them ? My being an American law-a-bidding citizen, has given
me that right, if they want registrations, why don't they
spend more time reistering the 11,000,000 illegals that
their trying to keep here in the U.S.
I tell you what, I'll be willing to register all of my weapons
once the goverment has all 11,000,000 illegals resistered
here in the U.S. how does that sound.Shouldn't be any
problem, they could register at the voting booths when
the come to vote.
Oh I forgot, can't ask them if their here illegal.
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Feb 1, 2013 07:10:36   #
I forgot, my neighbor's dog name is "PISS"

Meet "PISS"

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Feb 1, 2013 07:07:47   #
I took OL SARGE's advice and got rid of all my guns,
I'm now a drunk driver, less hassel and less paper work.
I gave my guns to my neighbor's dog. Sort of crazy,
I wouldn't go next door with out an invite if I were you.
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Feb 1, 2013 06:55:14   #
[quote=ole sarg]Now if you really want to get the adrenaline flowing let the gun advocates read this and weep!

10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down
Fact-checking some of the gun lobby's favorite arguments shows they're full of holes.
—By Dave Gilson
| Thu Jan. 31, 2013 3:01 AM PST
192
·
·
By cutting off federal funding for research and stymieing data collection and sharing, the National Rifle Association has tried to do to the study of gun violence what climate deniers have done to the science of global warming. No wonder: When it comes to hard numbers, some of the gun lobby's favorite arguments are full of holes.
Myth #1: They're coming for your guns.
Fact-check: No one knows the exact number of guns in America, but it's clear there's no practical way to round them all up (never mind that no one in Washington is proposing this). Yet if you fantasize about rifle-toting citizens facing down the government, you'll rest easy knowing that America's roughly 80 million gun owners already have the feds and cops outgunned by a factor of around 79 to 1.

Sources: Congressional Research Service (PDF), Small Arms Survey
Myth #2: Guns don't kill people—people kill people.
Fact-check: People with more guns tend to kill more people—with guns. The states with the highest gun ownership rates have a gun murder rate 114% higher than those with the lowest gun ownership rates. Also, gun death rates tend to be higher in states with higher rates of gun ownership.

Sources: Pediatrics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Myth #3: An armed society is a polite society.
Fact-check: Drivers who carry guns are 44% more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77% more likely to follow them aggressively.
• Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without.
• In states with Stand Your Ground and other laws making it easier to shoot in self-defense, those policies have been linked to a 7 to 10% increase in homicides.
Also see our yearlong investigation of gun laws and mass shootings:America Under the Gun.
Myth #4: More good guys with guns can stop rampaging bad guys.
Fact-check: Mass shootings stopped by armed civilians in the past 30 years: 0
• Chances that a shooting at an ER involves guns taken from guards: 1 in 5
Myth #5: Keeping a gun at home makes you safer.
Fact-check: Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.
• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.
• 43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.
• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.
Advertise on MotherJones.com
Myth #6: Carrying a gun for self-defense makes you safer.
Fact-check: In 2011, nearly 10 times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
• In one survey, nearly 1% of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at their claims found that more than 50% involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
• A Philadelphia study found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.
Myth #7: Guns make women safer.
Fact-check: In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers.
• A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than 7 times if he has access to a gun.
• One study found that women in states with higher gun ownership rates were 4.9 times more likely to be murdered by a gun that women in states with lower gun ownership rates.
Myth #8: "Vicious, violent video games" deserve more blame than guns.
Fact-check: So said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre after Newtown. So what's up with Japan?

United States
Japan
Per capita spending
on video games
$44
$55
Civilian firearms
per 100 people
88
0.6
Gun homicides
in 2008
11,030
11
Sources: PricewaterhouseCoopers, Small Arms Survey (PDF), UN Office on Drugs and Crime
Myth #9: More and more Americans are becoming gun owners.
Fact-check: More guns are being sold, but they're owned by a shrinking portion of the population.
• About 50% of Americans said they had a gun in their homes in 1973. Today, about 45% say they do. Overall, 35% of Americans personally own a gun.
• Around 80% of gun owners are men. On average they own 7.9 guns each.
Myth #10: We don't need more gun laws—we just need to enforce the ones we have.
Fact-check: Weak laws and loopholes backed by the gun lobby make it easier to get guns illegally.
• Around 40% of all legal gun sales involve private sellers and don't require background checks. 40% of prison inmates who used guns in their crimes got them this way.
• An investigation found 62% of online gun sellers were willing to sell to buyers who said they couldn't pass a background check.
• 20% of licensed California gun dealers agreed to sell handguns to researchers posing as illegal "straw" buyers.
• The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives has not had a permanent directorfor 6 years, due to an NRA-backed requirement that the Senate approve nominees.
Icons in gun ownership chart: Handgun designed by Simon Child, rifle designed by Nadav Barkan, shotgun designed by Ammar Ceker, all from the Noun Project[/quot

I'm in tears, Bartender give me another shot of wiskey,
now were did I put those darn keys to my car, after all
drunk drivers doesn't kill people it's the wiskey. Where
there's more drinkers, there's more drunk drivers. Im
a gun owner and I do not drink, would I be better off
selling my guns and become a drunk?
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Jan 31, 2013 13:22:17   #
COI Jack wrote:
There often is a question of innocence. I work in a prison. The COI in my log in stands for correctional officer I. We have people locked up for murder that I am sure are innocent. What about them?


If YOUR sure their innocent,WHY then are they still
lock up. May be it isn't the gun system that we need
to look at, may be it's the system you're working at for
the goverment that needs looking into.
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Jan 31, 2013 11:19:57   #
I was talking with a friend the other day, and I believe
he made a good point. Instead of passing all these new
gun laws, why don't Congress and the president get
together and pass a law which states any one who takes
the life of another human being, unlawfully, will be given
an automatic death sentence, where no mental plea can
be used as a reason for his or her actions.
It's their fault, not the gun's or any one else's. The choice
will be their's to make. If he or she make's a dicision to
take some else's life, then he or she shouldn't have any
problem giving up theirs as well. Just a thought, want ever
get done, but he did bring up a good point.
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Jan 31, 2013 07:15:07   #
We're all Americans, unless it can be proven that the
shooters were either a Republican or a Tea Party
member or God forbid an NRA member, then he or
she become's food for the Liberial MEDIA
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Jan 30, 2013 16:24:59   #
GregC wrote:
I was thinking we already have immigration laws. Why don't not just enforce those?

Creating more laws, that's what they do!


It's what they do best, the more laws the law abiding
citizens have to put up with, the less work they have to
do while their in Congress, something like SEE more
and Do less.
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Jan 30, 2013 07:13:04   #
Just installed my new allarm system, don't need
any guns in my house, just post it on all my
windows. Seem to work haven't had any break-ins.

BEAWARE

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Jan 30, 2013 06:53:04   #
tschmath wrote:
Danilo wrote:
PNagy wrote:

Some of your alarmism is not justified by the facts. Obama, without fanfare, has reduced the illegal immigration rate to nearly zero, after a high of a million a year. What is the reason you expect the border patrol to be relaxed after passage of this law? The other question is almost rhetorical, what would you do with the illegals already here?


I guess we can credit Mr. Obama with accomplishments for which he is not responsible...his dance-card isn't, by any means, full. I suspect our failing economy is the reason for low illegal immigration.
What do we tell the LEGAL immigrants who are waiting in line, learning the language, learning American history, and civics? Give THEM a short statement PNagy.
quote=PNagy br Some of your alarmism is not just... (show quote)


If you had taken the time to read anything about Pres. Obama's proposal or the current Senate proposal, you would know that after a very thorough background check, paying back taxes, paying a fine and learning English, all illegal immigrants would go to the back of the line behind everybody currently applying for legal status.
quote=Danilo quote=PNagy br Some of your alarmi... (show quote)


You forgot to add putting a tooth under your pillow
for the tooth fairy and wait for the Easter Bunny to
pass before these requirements will be inforced.
They can't inforce the laws that would have stop
these illegals from coming here in the first place
and you think the onointed one will inforce these.
My advice for those that are here LEGALLY would
be for them to return home, cross back into the
US illegally, and have a better chance under this
administration of becoming an American citizen,
I wouldn't count on being in front of any lines, unless
your a legal American and waiting in the unemployment
line.
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Jan 29, 2013 17:43:01   #
I'd be more than glad to help you out, just
show me which way you came in.
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Jan 29, 2013 13:35:25   #
FLandWVMIKE wrote:
What in the world would the U.S.A. do without these illegal aliens ?
The unemployed U.S.A. citizens do not want to work at these jobs, at any wage level.
If the employers had to pay legal minimun wages, our food prices would skyrocket.
We actually need the illegal aliens.


Puzzled,If employers had to pay legal minimun wages, if
illegals become American citizens, how must would they
get paid. Do you think they will work for the same prices
their being pay now. The reason their being allowed work
is because they work for cheap pay. Giving them American
citizenship gives them the rewards that goes with it. I know
quite at few people in Congress, I'd wouldn't mind seeing
replace with a few illegals making minmum wages,plus a
bonus now and then, plus OBAMA healthcare at no cost.
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Jan 29, 2013 06:57:23   #
Just wondering what will happen once all these
poor illegals become American citizens and start
demanding that all these companies they now work
for, starts paying them minimum wages( which is
why they aren't hireing legal citizens to begain
with) plus Hoilday and vacation time, sick leave,
health care,40 hr. work week. Wonder what they will
think of once all these first batch of illegals
becomes American citizens how they will cope with
the next batch coming in. Dont forget there want be
any more cheap labor, they'll all be in UNIONS at a
fair price.May be if every thing turn out the way
OBAMA wants it too, we may finally get reid of all
those over paid in CONGRESS and we'll replace them
with MINIMUM paid illegals who are now American
politians, I mean citizens.Just a thought
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