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Oct 13, 2018 19:30:33   #
Tex-s wrote:
Thanks for the civil reply. What I was trying to say about the left's identity politics these days is that many groups of people are silenced before expressing opinions owing only to some form of identity they possess. The Koch's were my attempt to show old, rich, white conservative, religious men. Those people would be booed off a stage or out of a restaurant if they attempted to offer an opinion of the wine selection.

And I fail to see where I denied Trump is a manipulator. My tone was supposed to illuminate the same behavior from the left, certainly not exclusive behavior from the left. I will say, though, for the most part, the (non-Trump) voices on the right are typically ready to debate issues and policy far more readily than most on the left. I just sat through a compilation (radio) of 5 or 6 liberal pundits arguing the use of the word 'mob' to describe screaming protesters being evicted from the Kavenaugh hearings or pounding on the Supreme Court doors. This was their focus rather than the actual over-the-top, illogical, counter-productive behavior. Don't call them a mob...... A mob is what we had in Charlotsville..... They are just angry.... All deflections of FACTS that are NOT to be debated.

I see Trump as a net negative for the nation at this point. If he could only have removed himself from the mockery, I'd swing to a positive rating. Trump is simply not the problem in our nation. He is the result of the problem of a wholly inactive, passive, conciliatory, unmotivated GOP leadership in the Congress that wasted four years of 'power' to enact meaningful course corrections in military, economic, immigration, law enforcement, and many other misguided Obama-era policies. Those who felt abandoned by their own party, and who knew the Democrats were simply not representing their views, voted for a fighter, the man who refused to be like the GOP of 2012-2016. I don't LIKE Trump, but I 100% believe that his agenda (to which he has kept more promises than any President in my lifetime) is based on his honest evaluation of what serves the nation. And note, I said agenda, not affect, not methodology, not his rallies, and not his tweets.

At this point I hope Trump is so controversial that both parties end up wanting change that weakens both the President and the SCOTUS, diminishing their ability to divide a nation. Not only is that a logical idea, it goes back to the actual words in the Constitution, not interpreted meanings of the 'implications' of those words or 'penumbras' of enunciated powers or rights..... My 2 cents.
Thanks for the civil reply. What I was trying to ... (show quote)


I love your last paragraph, it is a hope that I’ve had. The extremists will energize the moderates. The tribalism we are now experiencing ill hopefully cause reasonable people to collaborate and put country first.

Your 2 cents are of far greater value than you think.
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Oct 13, 2018 08:11:10   #
Kraken wrote:
He did keep trumps mouth shut for 25 whole minutes. Kanye is nuts.

You might say Kanye’s was a jaw dropping performance, even Trump was at a loss for words.
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Oct 13, 2018 06:06:41   #
FrumCA wrote:
http://www.westernjournal.com/ct/candace-owens-cnns-dumb-negro-comment-want-slaves-back/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=CTBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=conservative-tribune


I just read your linked article. As Trump said after Kanye's pronouncement... "That was really something". Kanye is a celebrity and, in some circles, an artist. What he is not is coherent.
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Oct 13, 2018 05:43:27   #
Tex-s wrote:
Trump's policy is divide and conquer? Only if he is taking instruction from the left's incessant identity politics and intersectionality heirarchy of victim-hood status. To the left, your opinion, your validity, is determined first and foremost by how far away you are from 1) white, 2) male, 3) straight, 4) rich, 5) religiously devout, 6) socially conservative, 7) fiscally conservative. The Koch brothers may not have an opinion of any kind, and an atheist, black, wheelchair-bound lesbian woman would instantly be anointed Supreme Being of the Universe. In the left's game, gay white men, supposedly an oppressed group, end up shouted down if they try to hold an opinion on abortion.

I'm not saying in any fashion that Trump is an exemplary person in any way, but to suggest he is uniquely engaged in playing to his base and vilifying opposition is wholly dishonest.
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While well expressed, your opinion ignores basic facts relevant to my claim of "divide and conquer". It became apparent to most observers that trump's use of lies about and mockery of his primary opponents was going to usher in a person who avoids substance to belittle on a personal basis anyone he opposes. His lies are legendary and his presidential lying began with inauguration crowd size. Of the seven criteria you described above, all but 5 and 6 describe aspects of my life. I do not understand your point about the Koch brothers not having an opinion. For years they contributed millions upon millions of dollars in favor of their republican candidates. However, what is most telling is this year they are reported to have contributed to democrat candidates as well. Your implicit disdain of those of different religion, race, physically mobility, sexual lifestyle is a good indicator of your prejudice against others different from you. You claim the "left" would exalt such a person to a "Supreme Bing of the Universe" is astonishing. Your statement of: "In the left's game, gay white men, supposedly an oppressed group, end up shouted down if they try to hold an opinion on abortion" doesn't fit the reality I've seen. In fact, consider what political philosophy oppposes adoption by gay couples; it isn't democrats. I never even heard of a gay person "shouted down" because he opposes abortion... never anything remotely like that. If you have an example I would appreciate a link to the source.

Finally, your comment "but to suggest he is uniquely engaged in playing to his base and vilifying opposition is wholly dishonest", well that is simply out of touch with reality. You may believe what you wrote but to deny trump does everything to play to his base and villify opposition is ludicrous! I suspect your entire post is tongue in cheek and, if so, it isn't funny at all. Consider that trump actually encourages violence against opposition; this was seen during a campaign stop in which he spoke of "punching someone in the mouth" and his offering to pay a supporter's legal fees when it was actually done. His denigration of the media at his rallies has led to pushing and shoving against reporters. Of course he is playing to his base and vilifying his opposition.

You may dismiss me as a liberal but you would be wrong; I admired and agreed with William F. Buckley, Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater and George Will (even more so now). What I am not is a fan of anything or anyone who gives the impression that our society should embrace a pseudo Aryan Nation mentality. What is wholly dishonest are your post's characterrizations and conclusion.
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Oct 12, 2018 19:48:50   #
letmedance wrote:
Then why do I not here a voice of discontent from the leftist when the ANTIFA mob attacks?

Fair point but perhaps their attention directed at Trump because he is considered to be the far greater threat; he certainly has greater power to affect the lives of all Americans... just a possible reason but it rings true. After all, democrats dislike ANTIFA as much as the overwhelming percentage of Americans.
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Oct 12, 2018 18:37:27   #
letmedance wrote:
Another time in recent history please, one does not disprove my post. There are crazies both left and right, the left seem more prone to violence.

Well I did say “perhaps”; look back you’ll see I used Charlottesville as my example and Trump’s handling of it.

ANTIFA is not an American movement, they are global of which there is clearly an American contingent. The most recent G20 meeting in Germany had a violent ANTIFA protest against globalization, not against America’s Republicans. There are neo-Nazi organizations around the world. My point is neither party wants anything to do with these urban terrorists.

Take these groups out of the equation and I remain in the belief the extremist democrats and republicans are pretty much evenly reprehensible but I don’t see either party prone to actual violence.
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Oct 12, 2018 17:52:20   #
letmedance wrote:
True but it appears that the crazies on the left are more violent.


Perhaps but in Charlottesville, it was a pretty bloody fight on both sides and a young woman was murdered and dozens of people were injured by a car driven by a white supremanist.
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Oct 12, 2018 15:20:29   #
Hal81 wrote:
All you have to do is look around and see how the Trumpster has brought this country back from those very dark Obummer years.


Hal, in 70 years I’ve not seen the country so angry and polarized and yes, I blame trump for that. His idea of leadership is to divide and conquer, his favorite tools are lies and mockery.
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Oct 12, 2018 15:16:27   #
letmedance wrote:
You mean freaks like the ANTIFA mob that brought Violence to the streets of Portland over the weekend.


Trump famously said “there are good people on both sides”. What he should have said about Charlottesville is “there are some really bad people on both sides”.

Only crazies support ANTIFA, KKK, neo-Nazis and their ilk. The political party they supposedly identify with wants nothing to do with them.
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Oct 12, 2018 10:00:55   #
richosob wrote:
Odumbo was a disaster economically and his foreign policy was worse. He was in a job that he couldn’t handle, he divided this country like no other president ever has and that includes Trump. Odumbo himself said Trump would never bring those jobs back, he said “what kind of a magic wand does he have. Odumbo did manage to corrupt the FBI and DOJ, he used the IRS to punish conservative groups. He was spying on American citizens. He’s the reason Trump won the election. I’d have to drink an awful lot of kool-aid to see the world as you do. God bless Trump 2020 🙏🏻🙏🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
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I agree that Obama's foreign policy was poor. I believe the current refugee crisis is a direct consequence of "Arab Spring". The rest of what you posted is trump hogwash. For instance, Obama didn't lose those jobs; companies shipped jobs offshore to reduce expenses and take advantage of tax laws passed with their blessing. Be assured, "those jobs" aren't coming back. They were lost and forever gone; not lost to people, "those jobs" were lost to automation. While employment is at a record high level, look beneath the covers, the jobs that were lost paid a lot more.

You invoked "thanking God".... I can't wait until Christian right acknowledges the true lack of character that is trump. They gave him a pass on so many egregious sins just to attain a Supreme Court that will knock down Roe Wade. The Christian Right made a bargain with the devil.... thanking God for trump is "supremely" ironic.
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Oct 12, 2018 08:09:20   #
DaveO wrote:
Also, waging wars is not cheap!

Oh yeah, I did fail to mention that bit of inheritance!
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Oct 12, 2018 08:07:37   #
Keenan wrote:
It's amusing to me observing how often you, Ken and other moderate conservatives are accused of being "liberals" or even "left wingnuts" by the Trumpettes who have taken over the party.


The most salient line from Max boot's articles above is this one: The history of the modern Republican Party is the story of moderates being driven out and conservatives taking over — and then of those conservatives in turn being ousted by those even further to the right.

It's a bid frightening though to think about what will be the next stage of extreme after Trump.
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What I find astonishing is that less than half of the country voted and of those that did, less than half voted for trump. The scary part comes with the realization that a small percentage of Americans have put a terrible president in power and rabidly support him such that all other republican office holders are frightened into submission. The Republican Party has lost its soul. As a long time conservative, I am very seriously concerned for our country.
A pendulum is a good metaphor for many of life’s experiences and I fear the pendulum’s next swing in politics is going equally troubling. Like Kavanaugh said, “what goes around, comes around”. The extremist liberals will be equally troublesome once they get control. It seems moderate conservatism is a political construct I’ll never again see in my lifetime. I truly pity the generations yet to come; they will inherit a political wasteland.
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Oct 12, 2018 07:52:55   #
richosob wrote:
They should give Trump a third term for the excellent work in bringing our economy back after 8 years with that Muslim who actually worked at destroying our economy. You have some real mental problems, maybe it’s time to get some help.

Reality shows you have lost touch. Actually, job recovery has slowed since trump took office. Positive job creation began in January 2009 and has remained positive every month since then. Though still very positive, Job growth “numbers” have actually slowed in 2018

Before anyone goes crazy, that is perfectly understandable because after 9 years of continued job growth, there is low unemployment and relatively fewer jobs available.

The point? Job creation is proportional to economic growth which has been increasing steadily for the past nine years. Obama and Trump policies are only a part of that improving trend. Both Obama and Trump have taken good steps to help the economy recover but it is not totally due to one person or the other; to think otherwise displays a disregard for the facts.

While we’re at it, let’s talk about the deficit under both presidents. Obama’s administration really ran the deficit up. The major cause of that was the cost of unemployment benefits. That had a double hit; revenue outflow for benefits and greatly reduced payroll tax income. Of course the deficit would grow! Unemployment benefits are now a trickle compared to a flood and payroll tax revenue is at a near all time high. So why does the deficit continue to grow?

Good question; think about it because the answer directly hurts your children and grandchildren.
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Oct 11, 2018 20:13:01   #
John_F wrote:
I would hope the Democrats would marshall their assets to elect a Democrat for President in 2020. Don't waste stuff on Trump. Put out a well constructed, based on facts, picture of National problems that affect the voter in practical ways, then put out ways to solve those problems. Getting even with Trump is deserved but still a side show.

That would be great! The only way to make it better would be if both parties followed your advice.
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Oct 11, 2018 20:05:26   #
dirtpusher wrote:
Lol if that were true he'd clear his cabinet an start all over

Look at all the turnover to date in his cabinet and the reasons that compelled them to quit or be fired. His appointments were not draining the swamp, they were enlargening it.
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