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May 6, 2024 09:48:51   #
steve03 wrote:
Jesus spoke to large crowds like Sermon on the Mount, and the multitudes greeted him when he entered Jerusalem. He was seen by large numbers of the populous at the time. He entered the Temple and expelled the money changers. Pictures of European Christ shows him to be tall blond and blue eyes. You would think he would stand out in Jerusalem from the other dark skin brown people? But no, the Hebrew authorities had to pay Judas to betray Christ. It does not make sense to think we have no idea what Jesus looked like. He was a normal looking middle eastern man of his time.
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Again, Nobody alive knows what Jesus looked like, I don't pretend I do as you seem to think you know. Only a fool would try to describe the physical features of Jesus. Jesus may have been white skinned, brown skinned or light or dark black skinned. He may have had blue eyes, brown eyes, green eyes. He may have been 6 ft tall, 5 foot tall or anywhere between. NONODY knows, well YOU seem to think you know.
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May 6, 2024 02:11:32   #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
lol... oh Rac, is that what you took from that?


That was the bulk of your stupid response. Also, who’s trying to force God on you and who is trying to make you live by anyone’s religion?

“Keep your gods, but do not make me live by your religion or anybody else's.”
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May 6, 2024 00:34:59   #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
What do you call a person that doesn't care if there is/are god(s)?

Quoting Bible versus is like quoting dialog from popular Cinema/Comic book heroes, and to me perhaps just as important, but it doesn't influence how I live. It is entertainment, cultural debris, historic anachronism in today's world. Keep your gods, but do not make me live by your religion or anybody else's.


What is wrong with you? Who is quoting the Bible??
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May 5, 2024 22:42:20   #
Wyantry wrote:
Some persons have a psychological need to believe in unsubstantiated god or gods.
Others do not.


On one side are the religious ‘believers’ who adhere to the propaganda promoted by various churches and faiths. Presuppositions based on “documentation” written by men. And “faith”.
No verifiable evidence!

On the other side are the religious ‘deniers’ who reiterate there is no proof of the existence of any unsubstantial all-powerful, directive intelligence.
No verifiable evidence!

The only rational position seems to be Agnosticism “I am not SURE” — questioning all “evidence” due to:
No verifiable evidence!

How can any person actually KNOW in this lifetime ?
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Such an arrogant nonsensical statements from you, your response is full errors in this representations. 80%+ of the world population, including 51% of scientists believe in some sort of deity, whether it’s a God or some other physical entity. And you’re wrong about science, there is plenty of scientific evidence that there could be a supernatural force or being that has created life on Earth and created the universe. It’s not proof, but it does lead to some form of supernatural intelligence outside of our physical reality. We could go on and on and neither one of us will convince one another.
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May 5, 2024 22:00:07   #
Wyantry wrote:
Facts may not penetrate to your conscious mind, but there is Old Testament and Talmud evidence (predating the bible) concerning Jewish beliefs about the ‘beginning-of-life’.

”Jewish law does not share the belief common among abortion opponents that life begins at conception, nor does it legally consider the fetus to be a full person deserving of protections equal those accorded to human beings. In Jewish law, a fetus attains the status of a full person only at birth. Sources in the Talmud indicate that prior to 40 days of gestation, the fetus has an even more limited legal status, with one Talmudic authority (Yevamot 69b) asserting that prior to 40 days the fetus is “mere water.” Elsewhere, the Talmud indicates that the ancient rabbis regarded a fetus as part of its mother throughout the pregnancy, dependent fully on her for its life — a view that echoes the position that women should be free to make decisions concerning their own bodies.”


From The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America (Orthodox Union) https://aish.com/abortion-in-jewish-law/ :

We cannot support absolute bans on abortion—at any time point in a pregnancy—that would not allow access to abortion in lifesaving situations. Similarly, we cannot support legislation that permits “abortion on demand”—at any time point in a pregnancy—and does not confine abortion to situations in which medical (including mental health) professionals affirm that carrying the pregnancy to term poses real risk to the life of the mother.

“As people of faith, we see life as a precious gift granted to us and maintained within us by God. Jewish law places paramount value on choosing life and mandates – not as a right but as a responsibility – safeguarding our own lives and the lives of others by behaving in a healthy and secure manner, doing everything in our power to save lives, and refraining from endangering others. This concern for even potential life extends to the unborn fetus and to the terminally ill.

Abortion on demand – the “right to choose” (as well as the “right to die”) – are thus completely at odds with our religious and halachic values. Legislation and court rulings that enshrine such rights concern us deeply on a societal level.

Yet that same mandate to preserve life requires us to be concerned for the life of the mother. Jewish law prioritizes the life of the pregnant mother over the life of the fetus such that where the pregnancy critically endangers the physical health or mental health of the mother, an abortion may be authorized, if not mandated, by Halacha (Jewish law) and should be available to all women irrespective of their economic status.
Legislation and court rulings-federally or in any state-that absolutely ban abortion without regard for the health of the mother would literally limit our ability to live our lives in accordance with our responsibility to preserve life.”
(Emphasis added)
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See also references to Judaic religious thoughts on abortion and the beginning-of-life at:
https://www.google.com/search?q=jewish+law+on+conception+and+abortion&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS832US833&oq=
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You are delusional as usual. None of what you posted was even part of my argument. You sure have this habit of wasting your time on long drawn out responses that have nothing to do with my arguments
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May 5, 2024 21:58:15   #
Harvey wrote:
Not a chance of that happening for me I still go to meetings.


Well that’s great, wish you well. I’m sure it’s a long and difficult task.
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May 5, 2024 21:51:38   #
Harvey wrote:
Not from a civil argument


You have been deflecting from the start, don’t make that as an excuse.
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May 5, 2024 21:29:16   #
Harvey wrote:
LOL - I started my Bible reading and study when I quit drinking 34 yrs ago so I think I have enough hours of studying and group discussions to stand my ground without being called names and being accused of "stuff"
If you can't carry a decent conversation why don't you gather your marbles and go play some where else.


Maybe you relapsed and started drinking again. Your response made no sense.
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May 5, 2024 21:24:57   #
Vladimir200 wrote:
You are confused and have it reversed. Not being an Atheist is the irrational position to hold according to the scientists. Nothing wrong with being a believer in something that has no scientific proof behind it as long as you realize it. I read somewhere that scientists are the largest group of non-believers; for good reason. I've talked to scientists who do believe in religion but even they agree there is no science behind their belief in God. As science has advanced over the years, belief in religion has waned. For example, as science explained how, scientifically, earthquakes and hurricanes occur, then the belief that the angry God or gods caused the event.......diminished. I read an interesting fact not too long ago that Christianity has decreased in all continents except one........last few decades. Can you guess the exception? Africa. No explanation but I'm guessing Africa has so many problems that they need religion to help them cope.
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Nope, not confused whatsoever. Atheism is an irrational position to hold. You are wrong about scientists but that wasn’t even part of the argument.
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May 5, 2024 21:22:35   #
Harvey wrote:
I am sure your God is backing you on that statement as I don't see any foul-name calling by the Atheists on here.


Like the typical atheist, always deflecting from the argument.
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May 5, 2024 21:21:40   #
Harvey wrote:
I "believe" as that gives me the chance of being proved wrong and changing my opinion - as "knowing" is just too much to swallow along with my pride if and when I am proved wrong.


Than maybe you are really an agnostic instead of an atheist?
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May 5, 2024 20:02:17   #
Vladimir200 wrote:
Science does NOT support a belief in God. Pure and simple. If you chose to believe, no problem......go to it.


Who said anything about science supporting a belief in God on this thread?
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May 5, 2024 18:50:55   #
DaveO wrote:
I somehow doubt he was looking at her face.


I wouldn't either, lights OFF with that horse face.
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May 5, 2024 18:50:08   #
jcboy3 wrote:
Religion is completely irrational. No evidence, just straight BS.


Atheism is completely irrational for delusional morons.
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May 5, 2024 18:35:54   #
DaveO wrote:
I’d prefer to watch Stormy twisting thumbscrews on Big Perp’s grabbers.


Did you mean “horse face”? 😀
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