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Nov 3, 2012 13:25:05   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
FRED1 wrote:
Schwabo wrote:
Blurry, u r spot on.


More political muddy the waters with half the or none of the truth.
Paste this in your browser for the true story.....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/sandyunion.asp


According to the snoops article maybe I was too quick to buy in to the reports of unions turning help away.... But, why would that be? Why is it so easy for people like me to expect such stories to be true?

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/nasty-union-violence-legal/story?id=14572790#.UJVOycW5N2A

http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/08/16/developing-ohio-business-owner-shot-for-being-non-union-police-investigating/

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2011/08/23/Reward-is-offered-in-shooting-of-businessman.html

http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/09/22/the-afl-cio-defends-union-violence-as-a-legitimate-union-activity-will-the-dept-of-labor-do-it-too/
quote=FRED1 quote=Schwabo Blurry, u r spot on. /... (show quote)


And I'm sure I can find many articles touting the positive help unions have provided.Some wise guy said "for every action there is a equal and opposite reaction" seems to fit this situation. Your bias is showing again. Nuff Said....
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Nov 3, 2012 13:10:50   #
Danilo wrote:
FRED1 wrote:
Schwabo wrote:
Blurry, u r spot on.


More political muddy the waters with half the or none of the truth.
Paste this in your browser for the true story.....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/sandyunion.asp


Click here http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/sandyunion.asp to become a live, on the spot, witness to SNOPES descent deeper into the pockets of the Dem/Union alliance. Do not listen to "on the scene" recordings of the incident, but rather the carefully calculated and prepared responses of higher echelon leadership. The "political two-step" is an intricate choreography that is truly a thing of beauty to witness.
quote=FRED1 quote=Schwabo Blurry, u r spot on. /... (show quote)


And the paranoid conspiracy people respond ....but most of us know where to go for the truth and there are other fact check sites to verify or cross check the info.
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Nov 3, 2012 11:39:06   #
Schwabo wrote:
Blurry, u r spot on.


More political muddy the waters with half the or none of the truth.
Paste this in your browser for the true story.....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/sandyunion.asp
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Oct 26, 2012 11:46:32   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
FRED1 wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
FRED1 wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
bull drink water wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
donrent wrote:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/261774/40/Foreclosed-family-watches-helplessly-as-Craigs-List-crowds-strip-house-bare


Obama voters to be sure!


sometimes i think you are a real ASS,only you would think that liberals and democrats were the only ones in the crowed. the people you support wear $800.00 pin stripe suits and use a pin to loot.


Whatever, I suppose that you somehow think that Dems don't get bought and sold each session of congress... Maybe my comment was course so you can call me an ass if you want to, I will call you a dreamer for supporting the reelection of this president, Hope and Change is little more than a giant step towards socialism.
quote=bull drink water quote=Blurryeyed quote=d... (show quote)


Yep you're the kind whack job waiting to go over the edge your posts are tiresome and boorish everyone by now knows your position so try something else;
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And you're the kind that never has anything of merit to say, the thing that pisses libs off about me is that I generally bring facts and figures as well as supporting articles to the debate that you simply can't brush off.... If you don't like my posts it is probably because they don't fit with your view of the political and economic landscape... Hey, here's a thought, just don't read them and if you do read them and they piss you off then bring something back other than just emotion to dispute them.
quote=FRED1 quote=Blurryeyed quote=bull drink w... (show quote)


First I'm not a "LIB" second I don't need to bring anything to the table except my thoughts and comments about your posts.Third you are a pseudo-intellectual thats stuck on yourself and use this forum to display how smart you think you are so...NUFF SAID
quote=Blurryeyed quote=FRED1 quote=Blurryeyed ... (show quote)


I never said that I am an intellectual nor do I feel that way, I too only express my thoughts but also know that for them to carry any weight that they should be supported by facts.... they are out there you know and the most damning facts are contained on dot gov websites.... Even just a few minutes spent looking at federal budgets or reading the CBO reports on entitlement programs kinda cuts through the politics and opens one's eyes to what the real problems are that we face as a country..

You say that you are not a liberal probably because you don't like the label, but I have read your comments and your politics are what they are.... You can call them whatever you care to...
quote=FRED1 quote=Blurryeyed quote=FRED1 quote... (show quote)


Like I said nuff said.... get over yourself
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Oct 26, 2012 11:30:04   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
FRED1 wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
bull drink water wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
donrent wrote:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/261774/40/Foreclosed-family-watches-helplessly-as-Craigs-List-crowds-strip-house-bare


Obama voters to be sure!


sometimes i think you are a real ASS,only you would think that liberals and democrats were the only ones in the crowed. the people you support wear $800.00 pin stripe suits and use a pin to loot.


Whatever, I suppose that you somehow think that Dems don't get bought and sold each session of congress... Maybe my comment was course so you can call me an ass if you want to, I will call you a dreamer for supporting the reelection of this president, Hope and Change is little more than a giant step towards socialism.
quote=bull drink water quote=Blurryeyed quote=d... (show quote)


Yep you're the kind whack job waiting to go over the edge your posts are tiresome and boorish everyone by now knows your position so try something else;
quote=Blurryeyed quote=bull drink water quote=B... (show quote)


And you're the kind that never has anything of merit to say, the thing that pisses libs off about me is that I generally bring facts and figures as well as supporting articles to the debate that you simply can't brush off.... If you don't like my posts it is probably because they don't fit with your view of the political and economic landscape... Hey, here's a thought, just don't read them and if you do read them and they piss you off then bring something back other than just emotion to dispute them.
quote=FRED1 quote=Blurryeyed quote=bull drink w... (show quote)


First I'm not a "LIB" second I don't need to bring anything to the table except my thoughts and comments about your posts.Third you are a pseudo-intellectual thats stuck on yourself and use this forum to display how smart you think you are so...NUFF SAID
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Oct 26, 2012 11:17:14   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
bull drink water wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
donrent wrote:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/261774/40/Foreclosed-family-watches-helplessly-as-Craigs-List-crowds-strip-house-bare


Obama voters to be sure!


sometimes i think you are a real ASS,only you would think that liberals and democrats were the only ones in the crowed. the people you support wear $800.00 pin stripe suits and use a pin to loot.


Whatever, I suppose that you somehow think that Dems don't get bought and sold each session of congress... Maybe my comment was course so you can call me an ass if you want to, I will call you a dreamer for supporting the reelection of this president, Hope and Change is little more than a giant step towards socialism.
quote=bull drink water quote=Blurryeyed quote=d... (show quote)


Yep you're the kind whack job waiting to go over the edge your posts are tiresome and boorish everyone by now knows your position so try something else;
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Oct 26, 2012 11:00:30   #
donrent wrote:
"Obama voters to be sure"
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The looters you mean... (don't you ?)


What a couple of assh*** you two are Your mentality is the high school at best grow up.....
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Oct 19, 2012 11:43:59   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
FRED1 wrote:
BboH wrote:
I learned a long time ago that Chris Matthews epitomizes the label "Talking Empty Head" Paraphrase mine


It seems Matthews has gone the way of Beck and Limbaugh Coulter kind of a counterbalance of course not quite as far off the deep end. They all appeal to their base at least Matthews doesn't get as hateful and totally disrespectful as those two verbal terrorists Glen & Rush.


LOL... Matthews is bouncing off the rubber walls that they have erected around him over at NBC.
quote=FRED1 quote=BboH I learned a long time ago... (show quote)

You are so ideologically blind and support your position with tons of dialogue. You should consider writing fiction novels for a living
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Oct 19, 2012 11:27:54   #
BboH wrote:
I learned a long time ago that Chris Matthews epitomizes the label "Talking Empty Head" Paraphrase mine


It seems Matthews has gone the way of Beck and Limbaugh Coulter kind of a counterbalance of course not quite as far off the deep end. They all appeal to their base at least Matthews doesn't get as hateful and totally disrespectful as those two verbal terrorists Glen & Rush.
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Oct 17, 2012 10:51:53   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
docrob wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
So Sarg.. Just what is the Obama record so far with his Government investing, just how good of an investment banker has his record shown him to be?


ole sarg wrote:
Ah yes the government is making error over error in investments. Just like the Hoover Dam, Grand Coolie, TVA, Interstate System, giving grants to research labs, etc.

The role of the government is to provide some funding for innovative manufacturing. Some of it will fail.

But then again Big Business like Ford making the Edsel is American ingenuity.

You people are either naive or have never been in business. Lots of things business does fail. That is why so many go out of business!
Ah yes the government is making error over error i... (show quote)
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You got it wrong Blurry - Obama never ran under the premise that was an investment banker - that's Romney's ploy.....and how many of his investments went or were driven into bankruptcy as part of the business model.

Since were on the topic of investments Halliburton announced their profits are down because people are using less of their fracking chemicals......

Oh BTW I live in the west where much revenue comes from natural gas
guess what - the feds have indeed withdrawn drilling permits from companies seeking to drill on public land........wanna know why? Not because Obama is a bad money manager - because those companies have been sitting on said leases for years doing NOTHING. Now, is that Obama's fault too?
quote=Blurryeyed So Sarg.. Just what is the Obama... (show quote)


The point in the debate was that federal permits are down, and that is a fact about which the president lied about... to be a little more specific, during the president's term in office offshore permits are down 62% in federal waters and on federal lands they are down over 30%. These numbers are for new permits being granted by Washington and not about the retraction of permits that were not being used, a different set of numbers.... The president deceptively takes credit for the advances of an industry that he continually disparages, that is kinda ironic, he needs them to do well and supply our country with the fuel and energy we need, but he harbors a deep seated hatred for those on whom he must rely... The president was dishonest last night on several levels.
quote=docrob quote=Blurryeyed So Sarg.. Just wha... (show quote)


Not nearly as deceptive and unresponsive as Mitt. Your bias is showing and your answers sound like most politicians.
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Oct 13, 2012 16:17:10   #
Yes so 3 out of 14 failed and you want to Whine if all our investments had that success ratio we'd be doing good whine about somthing else besides Solyndra.......
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Oct 13, 2012 14:48:32   #
marcomarks wrote:
SteveR wrote:
the_imaginist wrote:
Good question.

But I have a question for you.

We all know that Mitt Romney is worth somewhere between 180 and 250 Million dollars, his campaign has told us.

How many American jobs has he and Mrs. Romney directly created in the last 5 years? Maybe 20, 30? You know, household staff, gardeners, personal secretaries? Now we can't count campaign staff, because those are employees of the RNC. And we also can't count jobs in companies where he just owns small amounts of stock.

Ready, Set, Go. . . .
Good question. br br But I have a question for yo... (show quote)


Ahhh.....But what is he invested in? How many jobs does his millions create through investment in companies that then use that capital to run the company? The odd thing about wealth (real wealth) is that the rest of us see the big houses, fancy cars, etc. The fact is, these perks of wealth cost the wealthy just a portion of their wealth. The rest is at work making more money and growing the economy. As it is, when the rich spend money, the city and state gets taxes. Make no mistake, I'm no fan of the rich, but I am a great proponent of capitalism, and capital is the engine of capitalism. If you have a strong economy the need for socialism dwindles.
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The real question, in my view, is why does the government, or anybody else for that matter, think they have the right to literally take money away from those who earned it just because they have more than somebody else?

Whether somebody is worth $250,000 or $250 million, they earned it, saved it, invested it to earn more, and it's theirs to do with as they please. Their money is their money. Why do Liberals always think that there is some fictional level they can randomly choose at which someone has too much money and it needs to be removed from them?

It is stirring up class warfare to pit the poor against the middle class and the rich, and the middle class against the rich for political benefit and I'm sick of it. I don't expect special special favors in the middle class where I have always lived but I also don't feel the rich should be denied the same favors I get. Yet Liberals always want to cut tax rates for the middle class and raise tax rates for the rich. To level the playing field as they call it.

What happens when teachers level the playing field by creating a sliding grading scale? The losers who didn't learn end up passing the class anyway and the really smart ones who did learn have their 4.5 GPA reduced to 4.0 to help the loafers out. Is it fair to make the kids who put out effort put out even more effort so they can survive the slide to let the dummies pass the class? No.

Removing the A through E grading scale and changing it to Satisfactory and Unsatisfactory does the same thing. There is no incentive to become smart because the D level kid and the A level kid are getting the same resulting grade anyway. Incentive to learn is gone.

Same with over taxing the rich. Incentive to earn more is removed. Don't be fooled for a moment that the number-crunching brains of the rich don't know that too. There are levels of taxation rates where you profit more by taking in less than you profit by working harder to take in more. Taking in less under the burden of more taxation slows growth. It's just pure calculated logic that Liberals don't have.

I support what Romney and Ryan are preaching, which is eliminating loopholes that allow the rich to not pay as much tax as the middle class - but I don't support raising their tax RATE to screw them just because they have more than I do. No corporate loopholes for a yacht, private jet, helicopter, or limo - but not higher tax rates either. Fairness is offering everybody in the U.S. the same thing with the same deductions and the same rates. I don't begrudge the rich what they have earned nor think we need to get it away from them somehow to squander with excess government spending.

As I've said before that's government acting as Robin Hood to steal from the rich and give to the poor. It's not right. Robin Hood was a good intentioned individual (which is what Liberals consider themselves to be) but the fact is that he was also a wanted grand theft criminal for detrimentally stealing from the rich. Our government should not be Robin Hood.
quote=SteveR quote=the_imaginist Good question. ... (show quote)


Hate it all you want it's called a progressive tax given your logic we should just exterminate all those that have a need for some of your called entitlements they're that 47% of non producers and just a burden on our country loafers freeloaders and other descriptions Romney has for them....
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Oct 13, 2012 13:34:29   #
SteveR wrote:
The fascinating thing about any business opened with this available capital is that it has side benefits. A restaurant has to buy food. Well, somebody has to raise the food. Jobs. Somebody has to process the food. Jobs. Wholesale the food. Jobs. Finally, once the sale is made, taxes go to the city, most of which go to payroll, jobs. However, some goes to materials, which means jobs for vendors and jobs for materal producers. Potholes don't fill themselves. So, if this money were to be reinvested in America, it would be a win-win situation.
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Yes and all of those jobs fall in the middle class which is the real driver of the economy
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Oct 13, 2012 11:26:47   #
heliplot wrote:
Thats a myth...that giving the rich 8% more money will mean more jobs. The fact is, there is no historical proof of that. Thats a balloon thats been floated by the right for a long time, and there is no economic backing for that. The republican party is, at it's core, the wealthy and big business. They need a large number of common folk in order to win an election, so they brought in a list of issues to attract enough people to get to 51%. Abortion, gay rights, military spending, smaller government are all issues specifically chosen to help attract enough people to win an election. It's a scam.
The most healthy economy we have had came during the Clinton era, but I would not give hime all the credit. The economy has a life of it's own, with complex world issues impacting it's direction.
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You are absolutely right it's refreshing to see someone that sees the reality of the Republican party.Without those surrounding platform issues to attract the middle class people they would be totally exposed it's always about money when you follow the money you find the truth.I'm a believer in capitalism but a strong middle class is the driver of our economy. Demand for products drives employment, businesses higher when they can't meet the demand for their products the largest group of purchasers are the middle class if their healthy our economy is healthy.Our economy and employment grows from the middle up not the top down.
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Oct 8, 2012 11:35:22   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
LOL California has made its own bed... There is no real need for summer and winter blends and yes they do add to the cost of gasoline, it is mandated by the EPA and makes the Greenies happy.. The other big problem that they are facing in California is that our government will not allow the building of additional refineries, no matter that our consumption has grown over many years, the greenies just hate gas and the dems have conceded to them and have done everything that they can to block oil industry efforts to meet the needs of our nation... As far as I am concerned is that this big blue state deserves the results of their big blue policies and the representation that they keep sending to DC year in and year out.
LOL California has made its own bed... There is n... (show quote)


That statement shows your ignorance about gasoline and Democrats but opinionated you are.....
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