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Nov 18, 2015 23:38:31   #
green wrote:
you are the only one insulting people on this thread...you called me a liar and a troll, I am neither.

The balloon illustrates the same principle as a rocket, Newton's 3rd law. Ok, you may have misunderstood the concept... let's move on

OK, now about Intelligent Design... OK, I agree with you. To me it is obvious that the universe was created by consciousness, and not the product of random chance... I agree.

However, it is not a science... you cannot say that because in our limited experience everything complex seems to be designed...therefore the universe must be designed... that is faulty logic.
you are the only one insulting people on this thre... (show quote)


to exclude the universe from "everything" would make it a faulty logic.
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Nov 18, 2015 23:32:36   #
green wrote:
you are the only one insulting people on this thread...you called me a liar and a troll, I am neither.

The balloon illustrates the same principle as a rocket, Newton's 3rd law. Ok, you may have misunderstood the concept... let's move on

OK, now about Intelligent Design... OK, I agree with you. To me it is obvious that the universe was created by consciousness, and not the product of random chance... I agree.

However, it is not a science... you cannot say that because in our limited experience everything complex seems to be designed...therefore the universe must be designed... that is faulty logic.
you are the only one insulting people on this thre... (show quote)


Btw I appreciate your honesty.
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Nov 18, 2015 23:30:51   #
green wrote:
you are the only one insulting people on this thread...you called me a liar and a troll, I am neither.

The balloon illustrates the same principle as a rocket, Newton's 3rd law. Ok, you may have misunderstood the concept... let's move on

OK, now about Intelligent Design... OK, I agree with you. To me it is obvious that the universe was created by consciousness, and not the product of random chance... I agree.

However, it is not a science... you cannot say that because in our limited experience everything complex seems to be designed...therefore the universe must be designed... that is faulty logic.
you are the only one insulting people on this thre... (show quote)

Why?
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Nov 18, 2015 19:00:41   #
LarJgrip wrote:
Yep, good quote!


Not only an accident but an accident with/from "nothing"
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Nov 18, 2015 18:00:53   #
Racmanaz wrote:
"It is not enough to say that design is a more likely scenario to explain a world full of well-designed things. It strikes me as urgent to insist that you not allow your mind to surrender the absolute clarity that all complex and magnificent things were made that way. Once you allow the intellect to consider that an elaborate organism with trillions of microscopic interactive components can be an accident... you have essentially "lost your mind."- Jay Homnick <<<Not my words
b "It is not enough to say that design is a ... (show quote)


Yep, good quote!
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Nov 18, 2015 17:40:27   #
James Shaw wrote:
"Scientific fact" you claim, Clown, after admitting you don't know enough science and do not have a science degree?

You, Clown, and S.Meyer, the blowhard, deserve each other. And they actually pay him for his absurdities at the D. Institute, where no discoveries have been made.

Neither of you two know what you are talking about.


All the best to you and your family.
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Nov 18, 2015 17:39:15   #
James Shaw wrote:
"Scientific fact" you claim, Clown, after admitting you don't know enough science and do not have a science degree?

You, Clown, and S.Meyer, the blowhard, deserve each other. And they actually pay him for his absurdities at the D. Institute, where no discoveries have been made.

Neither of you two know what you are talking about.


"""Whew"""" it's a good thing you're here. :|
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Nov 18, 2015 15:38:32   #
Racmanaz wrote:
Amen to that bro! We all need to stop worrying about who are following us and be more concerned on WHO we are following......follow Jesus the life giver!


The Life Giver. :thumbup:
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Nov 18, 2015 14:20:42   #
Racmanaz wrote:
James loses once again and making himself look very foolish and ignorant. He refuses to give an example where the origin of information other than intelligence.....he is a science denier.


Good news! There is hope, for James, for all of us.

This time of the year we remember when salvation came by way of a God/man, fully God and fully man, the Creator/Jesus of Nazareth who chose to spend 33 years inside of his creation, in every way. So that we could have absolute hope for the future.

(NKJV) 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

(NKJV) 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
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Nov 17, 2015 18:49:28   #
Oh and by the way, James, this just crossed my mind.

Have you ever wondered why SETI sends its transmissions in code/pattern looking for extraterrestrial intelligence and listening for code/pattern as well.

Because wherever you see information (code/pattern) you know that the source at the other end is intelligent and they would realize the same about us.

All information that we can observe and are aware of its origin, is always caused by intelligence.

Do you have any reason to believe that the information we find in DNA comes from anywhere other than intelligence?
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Nov 17, 2015 17:34:46   #
James Shaw wrote:
I said "knowledge." Who did you think said it? Go back and read.

Information, when acquired, is knowledge.


Science Lesson 1: Knowledge is acquired, NOT caused.

Science Lesson 2: The sequences in DNA were here, on earth, long before man arrived and conceived of a-God.

Science Lesson 3: There is no evidence that man was formed by a supernatural from a dust-ball and woman from dust-ball-man's rib.

Science Lesson 4: Science does "not observe."

Science Lesson 5: The origin of DNA is not known, nor is the origin of man.

Science Lesson 6: Intelligence does not cause.
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Quit trying to sound "intelligent" and get science-savvy. Start here and take the Clown with you:
http://www.nasonline.org/
b I said "knowledge." Who did you thin... (show quote)


Okay, now that you've shared your opinion with us, could you answer the question?

All information that we can observe and are aware of its origin, is always caused by intelligence.

Do you have any reason to believe that the information we find in DNA comes from anywhere other than intelligence?
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Nov 17, 2015 13:30:18   #
James Shaw wrote:
Science Lesson 1: Knowledge is acquired, NOT caused


Who said anything about knowledge? Your changing my words.

All information that we can observe and are aware of its origin, is always caused by intelligence.

Do you have any reason to believe that the information we find in DNA comes from anywhere other than intelligence?
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Nov 17, 2015 13:14:37   #
jerryc41 wrote:
It's called efficiency - getting lots of power from a small-displacement engine.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/g2292/10-cars-with-the-highest-specific-outputs/


How about 1.6 litre w/800hp +/-

This is where a good portion of what we see in road cars is coming from.

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/championship/inside-f1/rules-regs/Power_Unit_and_ERS.html
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Nov 17, 2015 12:01:17   #
James Shaw wrote:
Really grasping for straws. Now answer the question.

Let's see if you can grasp this.

All information that science can observe and is aware of its origin, is always caused by intelligence .

Do you have any evidence to believe that the information in DNA comes from anywhere other than intelligence?
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Nov 17, 2015 09:21:43   #
slocumeddie wrote:
You have presented NO proof..........and when presented with truth you look away.....You have NO words of your own.....you quote Meyer and other ID proponents as though

they have the truth, and you need only relay it repeatedly to make it so.....The Discovery Institute and crew are either incompetent, or dishonest, or both. The don't do

science, have published no significant research, and are shunned or ignored by the mainstream scientific community. You have made many dishonest statements in

this thread, and many that cannot be supported by an examination of the facts. Your communal gloat with Rac is a great example of your immaturity, insecurity,

and general childish demeanor. You don't have the education or wisdom to examine the evidence that overturns your "science". For you, ignorance is bliss.

I don't speak for James or Silver, and they don't speak for me. I don't begrudge you your religious beliefs, but I am confounded by your attempts to

support your beliefs by distorting or ignoring established scientific principles.
You have presented NO proof..........and when pres... (show quote)

I'd be careful waving the "P" word around because if you had any proof we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Science cannot offer an alternative to what causes information other than intelligence because there is non. All information that science can observe and is aware of its origin, is always caused by an intelligent mind.

Then comes the question of the most complex information system known to science, DNA. Do you have any reason to believe that this information comes from anywhere other than an intelligent mind?

Now these are my words and before you turn away, kindly answer the question.
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