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May 9, 2012 08:30:51   #
Hi all, I am sorry if I have posted this in the wrong area or if there is already a well used post about the subject...I am new to forums and although I have been told they are a breeze to navigate around, in my case it's more of 2 steps forward and 1 step back....but I'm learning.
My questions is about lenses for travel photography. I am going to Europe next year on a very very extended holiday on the canals. My current arsenal is: Canon 20D kit EFS 18-55mm, Canon EFS 35-80 CR AP lens, Canon EF 50 1:1.8, Sigma 10-20mm F4-5.6 EX DC HSM, Sigma 70-300mm DL MACRO SUPER f4.5-5.6. I would really only like to take 3 lenses with me and my thoughts were the Sigma 10-20mm, the EF 50mm and either an EF24~105 f4 L or one of Canons 70~200 L lenses. My problem is I can really only justify the expense of 1 of the 2 L glasses and I would like advice or opinions on which of the two would be more appropriate. I am not keen on the idea of lugging a huge tripod around so I would get 'IS' in whichever lens I buy. I would also be upgrading the 20D to a 60D as I find the top LCD is a bit hard for my old eyes and I miss the 'liveview' of my S3IS. Thank you in advance for any input. Darryl
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May 9, 2012 08:01:54   #
lovely sequence shots Gator - your captions made my smile go broader with every photo.. Darryl
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May 9, 2012 07:57:59   #
Two lovely shots. I particularly like the subtle tones in the sky as the colour changes. Very peaceful and relaxing to look at it.. Darryl
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May 9, 2012 00:10:24   #
sinatraman wrote:
they do have a name for excelant quality lenses its called nikor!!! as in all of them!!!!!! its like the name mercedes, if it has the three point star on the hood, you can automaticaly assume its of the highest quality. Us nikonians are secure enough with our equipment that we don't need mamby pamby white lenses or red trim or special letters to make us feel good. We have our photos to do that. lol


Awww ~ jealousy! You have obviously not had the pleasure of very lovingly licking the dust and grime off that red trim! :lol:
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May 8, 2012 22:12:03   #
I have an S3IS and I wouldn't consider selling it as it has more bells and whistles than a NYC Santa Parade......and not to for get that great 12x optical and 48x digital zoom. Oh and the best thing of all ~ that great articulating screen! I would sell my 20D though......but only to upgrade to a 60D.
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May 3, 2012 03:12:48   #
SharpShooter wrote:
Darryl88 wrote:
...."this is a 100% crop...". To my old brain a 50% crop would mean you have cropped out half your photo therefore 100% crop must mean you have no photo left... :


88, I think your math is correct, just not applied as a photographic term. If you lost 100% of your bodyweight, you would indeed be gone.
In a 100% crop you are looking at the photo pixel to pixel on your screen(as someone else stated 1:1). It's not much good for much except for pixel peeping to determine quality of one thing vs. another. At that crop since you are viewing pixel to pixel you are seeing minimal distortion since you are getting no compression or interpolation by the computer. At 100%, here is what you are doing. To make it simple, if your screen is 1500X1000 pixels, and your photo is raw and native resolution is 4500x3000, at 100% you will be looking at 1500x1000 pixels of your photo which is exactly the same resolution of your screen. If you scroll it accross your screen you will get 3 even scrolls across your screen(1500 pixels per 3 scrolls=4500). If the native raw resolution of your camera is only 1500x1000(1.5megapixels), at 100% you will be able to fit the entire picture onto your screen at 100% at one time or 1:1. The more pixels the photo or the lower pixels your screen the less of the foto you will be seeing at 100%. For pixel peeping you want to look at it in raw with no PP at all. Once it has PP or converted to jpeg you have altered the file and either introduced compression or interpolation. It would still be a 100% crop but has lost its value for comparrisons except to itself.
As for cropping a foto, aspect ratio and ppi is completely different. I always convert to jpeg in inches instesd on ppi, that way my final print will fit my paper at whatever dpi I choose. If you want it to fit onto your paper exactly w/o the printer cropping it for you then before you convert you will have to crop it to the same aspect ratio as your paper before converting. Don't confuse input(ppi) with output(dpi).
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Thanks for your input there Sharpshooter ~ I live and learn....and love it :thumbup:
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May 3, 2012 03:07:05   #
wow, what have I started with one simple question ...... all very good advice though. I have learnt so much from the members of this site ~ a big thanx to all. Darryl
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May 3, 2012 01:29:29   #
artistwally wrote:
I am afraid you will find the WB has nothing to do with it.
Set your camera shutter at 20" and aperture, f8,(200 ISO) then set the camera at "manual" and just let the WB and focus go on auto, then double you exposure till you get an image. See my first reply. A collegue with a Canon uses the same technique and gets great results. Once you are getting images..then try fiddling about with WB and manual focus.
Artistwally.


Thanks for the encouragement Wally ~ will try that tomorrow and get back to you. Darryl
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May 2, 2012 22:47:26   #
EricLPT wrote:
Darryl88 wrote:


Set your camera on something like F2.8, or whatever your widest aperture is. Point a TV remote at the lens, no more than a foot away. Look in the LCD display if you see the IR light, and it is pretty bright your camera is a good candidate. If it is dim, you can still take IR images but with very long exposures. If you can't see it at all, don't even waste your time or money.

If everything checks out OK, you need an IR filter like a Hoya R72 sometimes called a RM72. Mine was $89.95 from B&H. If you went this far inquire back for other particulars, for after you take the shot.
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Dam! Have I just wasted my money on an IR filter I can't use....I did this recommended test with my 20D and my viewfinder was black! Any advice please?? Darryl
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Darryl, are you looking through the optical viewfinder or the image you captured on the camera's LCD?

The OVF will remain dark, only EVF's and images on the cameras LCD will show the IR light from the TV remote.

Try it again and let us know what you find out.

Eric[/quote]

Hi Eric, thanks for that - I re read your advice and I now see you did put '..look at the LCD display..'. unfortunately my Canon 20D doesn't have 'live view' (I knew I kept my Canon S3 IS with it's articulating screen for a reason :^) so I was looking through the OVF. Since then I have done the following.... I am using my 'kit' 18~55mm with ISO set at 100 and my aperture at f8. I set my 'custom white balance' as per instruction manual (with IR filter [IR850] on) focusing on the green grass. I then took a series of photos at 2 second intervals from 1/2sec ~ 10 seconds and then at 15 & 20 seconds. I did 2 sets of tests, 1 on 'M' & the other on 'AV'. I noticed when in AV mode my exposure level indicator rapidly went from normal to 2 stops over and the indicator blinked indicating serious over exposure. unfortunately All my photos were 100% black.... I have read somewhere that most DSLR's have an inbuilt anti IR filter installed and I can only assume that my cameras filter is working too well for any IR photos. Thanks for taking the time to advise me. Darryl
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May 2, 2012 22:11:11   #
CooledgeR wrote:
There is actually a thread on Ugly Hedgehog devoted to infrared:

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-3448-1.html



Thank you for showing me the link - will check it out soon. Darryl
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May 2, 2012 22:05:24   #
Darryl88 wrote:
steve40 wrote:
I've been looking around for some more info on the R850, but as usual its not very forthcoming. One quick question, with the filter on the camera, can you see anything in the LCD viewer.

With the RM72, you can actually see enough to compose, and also use your auto focus. Although it looks all red, still you can see. This is the small amount of visible light, or near IR the RM72 passes being seen.

Of course you have to be using a fairly small F stop, like F4 or less. And a slow shutter setting. My camera for those shots was set at; Manual Exposure, ISO 100, F4, shutter 1.6 seconds. And I had a fairly good image, on the LCD.

Of course how much you can see, will all depend on how IR sensitive your camera is in the first place.
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Hi Steve, Thanks very much for all the info you have given me/us. I am using a Canon 20D and unfortunately I don't have 'live view' (I am very glad I have kept my Canon S3 IS with it's articulating LCD). I can see nothing through my viewfinder. I have just taken some test shots and these are my settings......Bright sunny day, 18~55mm kit lens, ISO 200, f8. I set f8 just in case I moved my focus slightly while putting the filter on. I set the focus using auto (no IR filter) and then switched to manual focus and put the filter on. I took a series of shots at 2 sec intervals starting at 2 sec thru to 10 sec. I then went 15, 20, 25 seconds. All the pictures turned out exactly the same....total 100% black.....Blast ~ I have just remembered I left my WB on auto - I will go and take more shots (I see you did recommend setting the WB with either white paper or the grass). Darryl
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Hi again Steve, I set my WB as per instruction manual (custom white balance) with my IR filter on. I used a freshly painted green fence (to my old eyes it's the same colour as the grass) to set my WB, took a series of 13 photos at different times and again all I see are black photos. I used both 'manual' and 'AV' and I did notice in AV mode my exposure level indicator on the top LCD would go right over to the '2 stops' over mark and flash - indicating to me that my shots are greatly over exposed. I have read somewhere that most DSLR's have an anti Infrared filter installed so as to filter out IR light so I guess my 20D's inbuilt filter is working too well. Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. Darryl
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May 2, 2012 20:39:07   #
steve40 wrote:
I've been looking around for some more info on the R850, but as usual its not very forthcoming. One quick question, with the filter on the camera, can you see anything in the LCD viewer.

With the RM72, you can actually see enough to compose, and also use your auto focus. Although it looks all red, still you can see. This is the small amount of visible light, or near IR the RM72 passes being seen.

Of course you have to be using a fairly small F stop, like F4 or less. And a slow shutter setting. My camera for those shots was set at; Manual Exposure, ISO 100, F4, shutter 1.6 seconds. And I had a fairly good image, on the LCD.

Of course how much you can see, will all depend on how IR sensitive your camera is in the first place.
I've been looking around for some more info on the... (show quote)


Hi Steve, Thanks very much for all the info you have given me/us. I am using a Canon 20D and unfortunately I don't have 'live view' (I am very glad I have kept my Canon S3 IS with it's articulating LCD). I can see nothing through my viewfinder. I have just taken some test shots and these are my settings......Bright sunny day, 18~55mm kit lens, ISO 200, f8. I set f8 just in case I moved my focus slightly while putting the filter on. I set the focus using auto (no IR filter) and then switched to manual focus and put the filter on. I took a series of shots at 2 sec intervals starting at 2 sec thru to 10 sec. I then went 15, 20, 25 seconds. All the pictures turned out exactly the same....total 100% black.....Blast ~ I have just remembered I left my WB on auto - I will go and take more shots (I see you did recomend setting the WB with either white paper or the grass). Darryl
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May 1, 2012 06:43:12   #
steve40 wrote:
Quote:
Okay,okay look I'm very ADD, that's more then I want to read. Just tell me what your doing to get the look.

I want it now!


Ok, first your camera must accept filters. Second you need to do an IR test, to see if the camera is compatible.

Set your camera on something like F2.8, or whaterer your widest aperture is. Point a Tv remote at the lens, no more than a foot away. Look in the LCD display if you see the IR light, and it is pretty bright your camera is a good candidate. If it is dim, you can still take IR images but with very long exposures. If you can't see it at all, don't even waste your time or money.

If everything checks out OK, you need an IR filter like a Hoya R72 sometimes called a RM72. Mine was $89.95 from B&H. If you went this far inquire back for other particulars, for after you take the shot.
quote Okay,okay look I'm very ADD, that's more th... (show quote)


Dam! Have I just wasted my money on an IR filter I can't use....I did this recommended test with my 20D and my viewfinder was black! Any advice please?? Darryl
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May 1, 2012 05:46:46   #
steve40 wrote:
No WB for IR is not pointless. By doing so you get a better image, one that allows near IR conversions, and a better balance of tones when you do a standard IR conversion. Like these:
http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1316393435&user=landscapesimages
Its also best if you under expose for IR by about 1 stop, you get less hi-light exposure clipping.


Wow, great shot Steve...and thanks, you have just answered a question for me ~ obviously we can do IR in colour....or did you use some other process to get the colour? Darryl
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May 1, 2012 05:41:07   #
I guess I am really going to show my ignorance here....Do we have to convert the image to mono - I seem to think I have seen soft colours in IR photos. Also can you tell me how the filters are graded ie: you are using R72 whist my filter is R850...what is the difference between them?? Darryl
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