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Yep, God will again pour his wrath out just as you wondered about. He will also protect his own then. 1 Thes 4, and I Cor 15 thru the rest of it. Long story but will tell it if you want me too. For what will happens during that time you can read Revelations. The notes in the NKJ Study Bible will help you a lot with that. There will be a "New Monetary System, look what's happening now. There will be a "One World Order" hmmm anything like that happening now? There will be a brand, wonder if the chip that's available now will be including the number of the Anti Christ? Who knows how close we really are, but Mathew 24 and Revelations sure make it look like it's soon. It's not the end of the world, it's the end of the Age. And No, I'm not going to sell or give anything away and go up on some mountain and wait!!!!

Your probably right there! The King James, the New King James and the New American Standard are all very good translations and were done by competent and knowledgeable translators. All going back to the original and not taking the King James and just adjusting it. They are word for word translations. You won't find a difference other than things like the "thee's and thou's, etc." are changed. There are also thought for thought translations that I stay away from. The thought of the translator is displayed in the verse. Most are fairly accurate but some like "The Message" Bible are terrible.

Sorry Jim, No I meant Mathew 24. I should have made myself clearer. In Math 24 you find some of the signs of the tribulation prophecy and the end of this age. The earth is NOT going to end, just the age. But in the process it will be similar to Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus was asked questions about the time of the end and here he is answering them. Speaking of the "house cleaning to come". The signs are Earthquakes increasing in different places, Wars, rumors of wars, famines, pestilence, etc. These are prophecies of the "season of the end". Yet to be fulfilled. All of the many, many prophecies in scripture have been fulfilled with the exception of these. Now this is really a long subject and if you desire for me to continue in this let me know. Your question "why hasn't he "cleaned house" other than Sodom and Gomorrah. My answer is that he is going to. What needs to be thoroughly understood though is that he wants all of humanity to accept his son. Imagine this for a moment. You volunteered you Son to die for us bunch of dingbat sinners and a bunch of them say "No thanks" you did that in vain and your poor son died for nothing as far as I'm concerned. I think I would just snuff them out right there. Talk about wrath! Not God though, he is patient and long suffering with all of us.

For the history of Sodom and Gomorrah you will find that in Genius 18 and 19. You will see where God spared the righteous (righteousness even in the Old Testament was by faith and not by actions). So my friend go in and read that.

It's a type and shadow (or example) of how God will ultimately protect his own.

[quote=James Shaw]Hi murphy. You statement "the rest of the bible is very clear on everything else" is tough for me to see. That, surly, is an interpretation on your part; and others, of course, may disagree? I think that we should be very careful on our interpretations of what isn't written in the Bible. The one interpretation by the Catholic church, alone, should be a warning: That church purported that the earth was the center of the universe, and for 300 years it set back our knowledge and learning of how things really are in the heavens, and that occurred despite that it is not mentioned as such in the Bible. So, prudence dictates to me that I must remain skeptical of your interpretation that "the rest of the bible is very clear on everything else."
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That in itself should tell you something - it isn't in the Bible. That is exactly why we should study for ourselves and never take things that get "spewed out" from some "church leaders". You shouldn't take my word for anything and no ones else's. As far as I'm concerned the Catholic Church has some really great errors. When the curtain was torn at the death of Jesus it gave us access to God without the need to go through a "High Priest" of any kind from any church. That curtain was between the Inner Court and the Holy of Holies in the temple. Only a Priest was allowed in to commune with God and offer the blood sacrifice (a picture of the cross and temporary covering until Christ became the final sacrifice) With the curtain being torn it eliminated the need for a "go between". Nor should Mary be held is such high regard as to be a sort of "go between". If my understanding of their beliefs are correct. Bottom Line, the Holy of Holies is now open to all believers to have direct access to God. So much for the Catholic Church. Study it for yourself. You will find that prophecy follows history and does not deviate from it. A very large portion of the bible is prophecy. Much of that prophecy is the coming of a savior, Jesus. Much of it is Jewish History with very little prophecy left to be fulfilled. And, it will be.
What we can be thankful for is that in the Old Testament Sheep or Goats offered for sacrifices had to be perfect, not the man bringing it. Same thing at the Cross, Jesus was perfect, without sin so was able to die in our place. You know what Jim, you really need to study. Pretty important study I would think. Lot to gain or a whole lot to lose. I think you know deep down that there is more, that the inner man is eternal. Please get the New King James Study Bible by Nelson publishers. It really is a good one.

Another PS: If you want to read about us being taken out Read 1 Thes. 4 and 1 Cor. 15 starting at verse 51 or 52.

Your making me grin! One thing about it, he delivered the Godly folks out before destroying the whole city. I don't think I would hop a plane to Megiddo. When judgment day gets here God will take the "just" out before he begins the "Great Tribulation" spoken of by Daniel and John the Revelator. Same as he did then. Jim, sounds to me like you should listen to your wife! Wouldn't hurt for you to read Mathew 24. All with good intentions!

To clarify things - It is the time span between the first day of creation and the second day that would take volumes to explain. That's the info we don't have. The rest of the bible is very clear on everything else.

Your right about that. God did give us a brain and no, others can't use it for us. Read Isa 53 about the coming of the Messiah and then follow through on all the prophets telling us the same thing. None of them were aware of the others. Different time spans and locations. Impossible for all those prophets to prophecy without it being the hand of God at work.

Jim, He gave us freewill. Yes, even knowing what we would do with it. We choose what happens to us and so did they.

PS: Evil has always has been from the beginning of time and still is today. Rape, etc was never approved of by God. Those horrors happened in the Old Testament and Still happen today. As far as the earth being flat Isa 40 tells us it is a circle. Other versus need to be properly interrupted. (Long story). As far as the creation of man and the universe. It's my personal belief that the Bible would reach to the ceiling if God gave all the details. What we do know is that the earth existed prior to this earth age. Gen 1, tells us it was void and the deep covered it and to go and REpopulate it.

These people populated the southern parts of Canaan. Their practice was to sacrifice their own children to their pagan gods. Archeologists have found the remains of these children along with religious figurines. They were also very dangerous enemies of the Israelites. The comfort as far as scripture states is that the children not having reached the "age of accountability" would be saved. Probably saved from continuing the same practices and being lost as their parents no doubt were. This land Is the promised land of the Abrahamic convenant and more than likely the threat to Israel was one of complete destruction rather then them possessing their rightful inheritance. They were the enemies of God. Only God knows the beginning and the end.

Unfortunately Winterrose you are right in so many ways. The religious, legalistic people are in real trouble. What did God say to the Pharisees "Your white on the outside and black on the inside" then followed that with "You make converts and make them as much as Son of Hell as you are. . We still have so much of that and God still thinks the same thing. Then we have the TV Preacher saying "Send me X number of dollars and God will heal you. What garbage that is. Scripture tells us that God will say to them "Depart from me I never knew you". All this would turn anyone away. God also saw two men praying, one was the Pharisee saying "Thank you God that I am not like that man. The other a sincere heart saying "Forgive me, I am a sinner" (My way of putting things). Who went away justified, the sinner. Trust me I'm thankful for that!
You and God are in agreement on that! There will come a day of reckoning!

Let me make a recommendation to those of you that are really looking for answers and truth. And, really want to know what needs to be known to understand. Go get a New King James Study Bible. It give you explanations of the scriptures on the same page as the scripture is written. I have found it to have excellent notes. There are many Study Bibles out there and owning as many as I do I have found this one to be excellent.

Hi Winterrose, you have it kind of mixed-up. Picture this. Your guilty of a crime. The Judge sentences you to death. Another stands up and says "Judge, I will take their punishment for them. That's Jesus. The sacrificial lamb of the Old Testament had to be perfect- not the man, a picture of the cross. Jesus was perfect and therefore did not have to die for his sins, he had none. Made him eligible to die for yours. It's not your sins that send you to hell but your refusal to accept your "redeemer" who was willing to do it for you. Pretty simple really. Besides that I like Canon!