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Apr 10, 2019 15:52:32   #
Pablo8 wrote:
As a Professional Real Estate Photographer, you seem to show unusual naivety, in lighting situations which must crop up every day, and every, or most shoots. You have the equipment, and 10 minutes testing (Trial exposures)for yourself, will surely give you the answers. Doesn't seem like you have done a lot of work in this field of photography, if you haven't got the basics sorted yet.


Hi Pablo I feel that I have mislead you about being "Naivety", and for that I apologize. Actually I have been in my own photography business for over a decade. I do have a problem expressing myself at times. My question was pertaining to using my camera as a light meter, not using the "P" mode to do a shoot. you are correct in that it take a few shots to zone in on the correct exposure. Pablo, what is tricky, for me, is shooting where I need a "window pull". I was just asking if there would be a quicker method rather than tying to guess. I didn't want to buy an expensive light meter and thought about using the one in my camera. Now that I got my ass up, I did experiment with it and found it was useful to use the spot metering/in M mode, to get my exposures. BTW I use ambient for the window shot, and flash for the interior. I discovered that all I need to do is bring my camera close to the window in M mode and shoot ambient with those settings. followed by a flash for the interior. I don't expect to get a perfect window pull and interior shot all in one shot, which leaves me with getting 2 shots and masking in the window. It has in fact saved me some time. It is only the window pulls that I have to shoot ambient and flash, not rooms with no windows.. For those rooms I just shoot bounce flash with little time spent adjusting. Real estate photography is more of a fill in to my main income which is, youth sports clubs picture day, and some studio work. I gave up doing weddings a few yrs ago.
Pablo, I am always eager to learn from other pros like yourself, so please share with me any advice or techniques you may have, It would be most appreciated.
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Apr 9, 2019 14:45:15   #
amfoto1 wrote:
Yes, the first thing I'd suspect is your battery. It might just be getting old, unable to take a full charge and need replacement.

Do you use a battery grip on the camera? If so, that's another possible point of failure. Check the contacts between the grip and the camera, the contacts between the batteries and the grip, that the grip is fully and tightly attached, and operate the grip's off/on switch a half dozen or more times (it's a "self cleaning" design, operating it can often clean any build up of oxidization). Third party grips are particularly prone to problems. Canon OEM grips rarely give problems.

Aside from all that, you might try updating or reloading the camera's firmware. That's essentially an "operating system" for the computerized cameras we use these days. And, just like desktops and laptops, the OS can become corrupted over time and may need a clean installation.

If the problem persists after trying those things, contact Canon for advice. They will probably want you to send the camera in for service.

When using a camera in a cold environment, there usually aren't problems unless things get REALLY cold, which can cause shutters to be sluggish due to thickening of the oils used to lubricate them. Often cameras that are specially prepared for use in really cold environments have the standard lubrication removed and replaced with thinner products that are less likely to cause issues (but may be inadequate lubrication in warmer climes). The synthetic lubricantion typically used in modern gear is a lot less prone to issues related to temperature, though. And a refrigerator isn't really all that cold.

However, be sure to have a spare battery available for extended shooting in lower temps. Cold makes batteries much less efficient. Keep the spare warm in a pocket or somehow and swap them out when the first battery appears to be getting low on power. Once it's warmed back up in a pocket, that first battery should recover to some extent and be usable again.

As noted by other responses, you do need to be careful about condensation in the camera and lens(es). Condensation occurs when an object is cold, then suddenly exposed to warmer air. The more ambient moisture in the air and the greater the difference in temperatures, the more likely it will occur. Best solution is to seal up the gear - as has been suggested - (I'd double up plastic bags, though) and let the gear slowly adapt to the new temperature before unsealing it. 45 minutes to an hour is usually sufficient time... But, it depends, a greater difference in the temps may need longer.
Yes, the first thing I'd suspect is your battery. ... (show quote)


Tank you for the info
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Apr 9, 2019 14:42:41   #
canon Lee wrote:
Hi David. I am now aware that the exposure of the window has to be within a certain level for "darken" to work. Sounds like a lot of trial and error. On a more practical level, I am more concerned with editing time for each shot and this magical technique would take me more time than if I took an interior and window shot separate and cut the window out. The going rate where I live is only $100.00. The shots are only used as thumb nails on a MLS.. As long as I get the interior well lit and sharp and the window not too blown out I know my clients would be happy. It's a lot better than the agents using their I-Phones. So not to create offending some of the Pros, I will go with my usual shoot, & leave this technique for those that do magazine and publications. I am just a hard working photographer not a legion LOL. Just thought the technique would save me time.
Hi David. I am now aware that the exposure of the... (show quote)
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Apr 9, 2019 14:42:04   #
DWHart24 wrote:
Sounds like your technique is correct. For the window pull, expose for the window itself then light the window up with your speed light. The darken mode works great if the window is lit correctly.

DSC_7273 by David Hart, on Flickr


Hi David. I am now aware that the exposure of the window has to be within a certain level for "darken" to work. Sounds like a lot of trial and error. On a more practical level, I am more concerned with editing time for each shot and this magical technique would take me more time than if I took an interior and window shot separate and cut the window out. The going rate where I live is only $100.00. The shots are only used as thumb nails on a MLS.. As long as I get the interior well lit and sharp and the window not too blown out I know my clients would be happy. It's a lot better than the agents using their I-Phones. So not to create offending some of the Pros, I will go with my usual shoot, & leave this technique for those that do magazine and publications. I am just a hard working photographer not a legion LOL. Just thought the technique would save me time.
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Apr 9, 2019 14:26:25   #
How accurate would it be to use the "P" mode as a light meter? I never use "P" mode and use M or A for my shoots, but what if I need a light meter to measure, lets say a window, and then use flash for the room? How accurate is the light meter in a camera in that mode?
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Apr 8, 2019 19:59:25   #
jdubu wrote:
Are your layers in the correct order when you are brushing in darken mode?


Yes they are as I followed the video exactly. Have you tried the Darken technique yet? did it work for you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzPXZfP6fV4 Give it a try and let me know if it worked for you.
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Apr 8, 2019 19:56:05   #
DirtFarmer wrote:
As far as lighting the room is concerned I have 2 or 3 speedlights that I used to bounce off the walls behind me to increase the lighting in the room and decrease the dynamic range between the room and the window.


I too use more than one speed light.
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Apr 8, 2019 17:14:31   #
Photocraig wrote:
When I was selling resort properties in the Lake Tahoe area, where the views often were worth more than the dwelling, I used film and the flash/ambient metering technique (with a flash meter). It is a pretty simple technique using a manual flash setting and NO post processing because it was analog. I then scanned the negatives into jpeg and cropped, etc. for the brochures and ads. TTL flash didn't work as well for me. I metered for the window to show the view. Then I metered for the interior, with a flash meter and manual flash to match the exposure metered for the window (s). It is basically the same flash metering procedure as balancing flash and ambient light levels.

Buuuutttt, Today, I use 2 exposures either metered or multiple bracketed ones and use the HDR blend function in LR.

Guaranteed, it is simple because I can do it repeatedly. Photoshop is an anathema for me. I can use it but is about a painful as a visit to to a retail store.

Good luck, Lee.
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When I was selling resort properties in the Lake T... (show quote)


Some well lit rooms I have had some success with bracketed shots with HDR. But still, although the window was not blown out, It still looked washed out. I have found that the best way for me to get the best balanced window pulls is to use layers and cut out. this way I can adjust and balance each layer.
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Apr 8, 2019 17:10:49   #
Photocraig wrote:
When I was selling resort properties in the Lake Tahoe area, where the views often were worth more than the dwelling, I used film and the flash/ambient metering technique (with a flash meter). It is a pretty simple technique using a manual flash setting and NO post processing because it was analog. I then scanned the negatives into jpeg and cropped, etc. for the brochures and ads. TTL flash didn't work as well for me. I metered for the window to show the view. Then I metered for the interior, with a flash meter and manual flash to match the exposure metered for the window (s). It is basically the same flash metering procedure as balancing flash and ambient light levels.

Buuuutttt, Today, I use 2 exposures either metered or multiple bracketed ones and use the HDR blend function in LR.

Guaranteed, it is simple because I can do it repeatedly. Photoshop is an anathema for me. I can use it but is about a painful as a visit to to a retail store.

Good luck, Lee.
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When I was selling resort properties in the Lake T... (show quote)


I suspect that the room being so much darker than the light from the window, caused me not to be able to get the technique to work. Seems to me that most well lit rooms can get a good window pull from just an ambient/flash shot. In the case of the very dark room, my ambient exposure for the window was totally blown out while the interior was very moderately exposed. I couldn't get a good balance from my ambient shot where the window was not blown. Adding the flash/TTL or M, helped to lower the light from the outside, but it still looked washed out. Am I making any sense? Has anyone tried the link I posted and tried it out? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzPXZfP6fV4
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Apr 8, 2019 16:58:23   #
mwsilvers wrote:
The top and real dials control aperture and shutter speed. Were both dials malfunctioning? Were both of them temporarily dead and unable to control other functions as well? If both dials continued to work for other functions, and both recovered at the same time my best guess is it wasn't a result of moisture getting past the seals. In my experience, problems caused from moisture entering switches and controls past the seals on Canon EOS bodies will usually disable the control completely, not for just some functionality.
The top and real dials control aperture and shutte... (show quote)

both temporarily dead.
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Apr 8, 2019 16:53:11   #
to all that have responded. I am cutting out the window in layers. firstly taking a good exposure for the interior, leaving the window blown out, then I take a window shot with no flash and cut out the window. However I was looking into another technique I have not tried, which is called "darken" mode. I have a link below that shows how to. After following the instructions very carefully as suggested by the video, when I came to using the brush it did not work. The brush did nothing. I was wondering what I did wrong. The room I was shooting in had very low ambient light and lots of light coming through the window. Any suggestions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzPXZfP6fV4
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Apr 8, 2019 11:03:35   #
LFingar wrote:
Did you pull the lens off to check for any sign of moisture inside the camera? It would seem to me that if you had enough moisture inside the camera to cause an issue with the exposure meter that you would have other problems also. It may not be related to moisture at all.
Here is a method to remove moisture from items: Remove the battery, card, and lens. Leave all the doors and flaps open. In the evening when you are done opening and closing your refrigerator put the camera and an empty, open zip lock bag, big enough to hold the camera, in the refrigerator over night. Don't put the camera in the bag. Refrigerated air is extremely dry and will pull moisture out of just about anything. In the morning, before removing it put it in the bag, seal it, and let it warm up to room temp.
I do wonder if moisture is the problem, but it won't hurt to make sure it is dry inside.
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One question. will having the camera in the cold refrigerator harm the camera?
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Apr 8, 2019 11:01:26   #
unlucky2 wrote:
check your battery. I have used my 7D in the rain with out a problem. One of the reasons for purchasing the 7d is its' ability in inclement weather. My 7D has died in the middle of an event only to recover later due to a bad battery.


good tip thanks
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Apr 8, 2019 11:00:55   #
LFingar wrote:
Did you pull the lens off to check for any sign of moisture inside the camera? It would seem to me that if you had enough moisture inside the camera to cause an issue with the exposure meter that you would have other problems also. It may not be related to moisture at all.
Here is a method to remove moisture from items: Remove the battery, card, and lens. Leave all the doors and flaps open. In the evening when you are done opening and closing your refrigerator put the camera and an empty, open zip lock bag, big enough to hold the camera, in the refrigerator over night. Don't put the camera in the bag. Refrigerated air is extremely dry and will pull moisture out of just about anything. In the morning, before removing it put it in the bag, seal it, and let it warm up to room temp.
I do wonder if moisture is the problem, but it won't hurt to make sure it is dry inside.
Did you pull the lens off to check for any sign of... (show quote)


Good tip. I have done moist pool shots and went out into the summer air, the only thing that happened was the lens fogged up but within a few minutes it was ok... You can imagine how reeked out I got not to be able to adjust my exposure. LOL
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Apr 8, 2019 10:56:38   #
mwsilvers wrote:
You indicated "my camera's exposure adjustment stopped working. " Can you be a little more specific about the problem? Many of the features, buttons, and dials on that camera can adjust exposure. Which control failed to work?
It could be the moisture, or the weather could just have been a coincidence. For instance it could also have been an intermittent failure of the control you were using or an intermittent main board issue, or a memory glitch. No way of being certain without a diagnostic and even then it might not identify the issue.
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Hi mwsilvers. what stopped working ( in all modes) was the ability to adjust the aperture and shutter. I had to use my flash to bounce the light to get the correct exposure. within a half hour in the house the camera worked and I was able to control my aperture and shutter. I have shot with this camera for yrs an have never had this happen. I now carry a back up camera.
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