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Jan 13, 2019 23:55:21   #
papakatz45 wrote:
Here is what you posted, "My point is, if you resent murders and their totals, the undocumented are not the villains, but the native-born Americans are..." I did not put those words into your mouth. This is exactly what you said, copied and pasted. So now does this "...reduce any lingering respect the unknowing may still hold for you." ? Do you deny you said this? A simple yes or know without deflection or name calling. Murder is wrong regardless who does it and all murders are villains and evil. Your post says it all, you don't think there is anything wrong with murderous illegals in our country.
Here is what you posted, "My point is, if you... (show quote)


Sonny boy, I said it, and here, I‘ll say it again. Read it if you can, you’ll never understand it:

“My point is, if you resent murders and their totals, the undocumented are not the villains, but the native-born Americans are—their murder rate is twice the undocumented, and the documented, i.e. legal immigrant’s, murder rates is even lower than the undocumented.”

Any one who graduated from sixth grade can read this and understand exactly what it says; you dropped out or were dropped, and you have no idea at all what this Sentence says.

Your problem; live with it.

Wow!
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Jan 13, 2019 18:37:29   #
papakatz45 wrote:
Are you denying what you wrote? It is easy enough to go back and read. You said illegals who commit murder are not evil. True or false? So which is it? Or will you try to deflect and change the subject of maybe call me names? A favorite tactic from your group. We await your answer.


And you suffer from a malevolent delusion, you say? Is that caused by some VD or other?

And remember this, when you put words in someone’s mouth, it doesn’t do anything except to reduce any lingering respect the unknowing may still hold for you.

Perhaps you are dazed by too many big words in your neighborhood?

And, in addition to that, you can’t read the English language.

I use some big words sometimes but this burns you bad.

Ya demonstrate your IQ....or maybe your lack thereof.
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Jan 13, 2019 17:35:19   #
papakatz45 wrote:
Your very first line in your last post, saying illegals who commit murder are not the villiains? Oh my God! If that is how you feel then you are just a culpable as those that commit the murders. You hate Trump so much your values have been corrupted. I do feel sorry for you but there is no point in content this conversation.


Sorry, you seem to be suffering from delusion.

Take an aspirin, perhaps a strong drink, lie down and avoid excitement.

Perhaps it will pass.
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Jan 13, 2019 17:29:26   #
Mueller Draft Report Says Trump 'Helped Putin Destabilize the United States', Watergate Journalist Says

"This is about the most serious counterintelligence people we have in the U.S. government saying, 'Oh, my God, the president's words and actions lead us to conclude that somehow he has become a witting, unwitting, or half-witting pawn," Carl Bernstein said.

By Jason Lemon
January 13, 2019


Legendary journalist Carl Bernstein has said that he's been told that special counsel Robert Mueller's report will show how President Donald Trump helped Russia "destabilize the United States."

Bernstein, who is renowned for his coverage of the Watergate scandal that led to the resignation of former President Richard Nixon, appeared on CNN's Reliable Sources on Sunday to discuss two bombshell reports released this weekend, one from The New York Times and one from The Washington Post, which revealed new details about whether or not Trump and his aides have colluded with Russia.

The Post reported that Trump has gone to "extraordinary lengths" to conceal direct conversations he has had with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The Times article revealed that the FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation into Trump after he fired former bureau director James Comey in 2017, suspecting the president could be working on behalf of Russia. Trump has angrily denied allegations that he worked with Russia and has regularly attacked the media for reporting on the investigation. But Bernstein slammed Trump's dismissal of the probe.

"This is about the most serious counterintelligence people we have in the U.S. government saying, 'Oh, my God, the president's words and actions lead us to conclude that somehow he has become a witting, unwitting, or half-witting pawn, certainly in some regards, to Vladimir Putin,'" Bernstein explained during his appearance on Reliable Sources .

"From a point of view of strength... rather, he has done what appears to be Putin's goals. He has helped Putin destabilize the United States and interfere in the election, no matter whether it was purposeful or not," the journalist added. He then explained that he knew from his own high-level sources that Mueller's report would discuss this assessment.

"And that is part of what the draft of Mueller's report, I'm told, is to be about," he said. "We know there has been collusion by [former national security adviser Michael] Flynn. We know there has been collusion of some sort by [Trump's former campaign chairman Paul] Manafort. The question is, yes, what did the president know and when did he know it?"
Trump has defended himself against such reports, arguing, inaccurately, that he has taken a hardline stance against Russia.

"I have been FAR tougher on Russia than Obama, Bush or Clinton. Maybe tougher than any other President. At the same time, & as I have often said, getting along with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. I fully expect that someday we will have good relations with Russia again! [sic]," he wrote on Twitter on Saturday.

However, the president's 2016 campaign remains the subject of a special investigation led by Mueller. Several former high-ranking Trump aides have been indicted in the probe and last week, it was revealed that Manafort shared confidential polling data with an associate linked to Russian-intelligence.

Trump's administration recently moved to remove financial sanctions on an ally of Putin, and has recently pulled troops out of Syria -- a long-standing demand from the Russian Presidents.


https://www.newsweek.com/mueller-report-trump-helped-putin-destabilize-us-watergate-journalist-1289541
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Jan 13, 2019 17:12:56   #
EyeSawYou wrote:
Liar, Nixon was not indicted as a sitting President, why do you find it necessary to lie on a daily basis?


you’re awfully loose with that word, Liar.

A thoughtful man would be more considerate.

You never should have dropped out of school....
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Jan 13, 2019 14:47:43   #
dennis2146 wrote:
Too much common sense for the Left. They don't see laws as being followed unless they agree with those laws. Illegal aliens coming across the border because they want to, no problem. Groups of people tearing down statues they don't agree with, no problem. Children now being used to promote pedophilia, no problem.

Dennis


This is beneath even you, Dennis. For shame. Truly disappointing and the main reason I don’t usually respond to you.

Of course Democrats follow the law. They aren’t immune to the DOJ, not should they be.

And, if honesty be served, you must admit they have supported border reform in the past. It’s dishonest of you to say otherwise.

They don’t support the wall and untold Billions it will cost. That’s a legitimate disagreement.

There are issues which have two differing sides, and have honest disagreements about them.

The issue of spending public funds for statuary representing Traitors is a legitimate issue. Views may differ on this, but you usual dishonesty stands strong before readers. You think you can be only right and correct voice on issues, especially those you favor, but those issues can be questioned and you can be wrong.

I have no idea what you refer to regarding child pornograph, but until I learn differently I’ll consider you dishonest—consistently dishonest!—upon this issue, too.

I will do both of the the courtesy of ignoring you when at all possible, but sometimes the bullshit gets too pungent to ignore and I will let you draw me into your fantasy world.

It shames me, but some horsecrap I just can’t ignore. And you peddle the ripest and deepest there is, and you peddle it with such sincerity it just can’t go unnoticed.

Please do me the favor of repressing the most virulent of you thoughts so that I continue to ignore you.

Hope you had a happy holiday season.
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Jan 13, 2019 14:31:08   #
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Actually Nixon was indicted, but it was under seal.

The Nixon Indictment was recently unsealed!

The action of unsealing the Nixon Indictment was to establish the precedent to be used against trump!


Ya got me! I looked it up, and of course you are right.

Could be very helpful in the coming days.

Thanks for catching me up!
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Jan 13, 2019 13:03:45   #
Architect1776 wrote:
And your point?
That 50%would be alive today if it weren't for democrats like you saying such asinine things. Or is it ok for those to die just to make a point. Please tell those families the silly statistic you just quoted to justify the deaths of their loved ones from illegals.
Ps secondly obummer's utopia city Chicago has more murders in that democrat controlled city each week than we have combat deaths all around the world. I guess that is ok too seeing as democrats 100% control that city.
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My point is, if you resent murders and their totals, the undocumented are not the villains, but the native-born Americans are—their murder rate is twice the undocumented, and the documented, i.e. legal immigrant’s, murder rates is even lower than the undocumented.

That’s if you wish to reduce the numbers of murders in this country.

If your concern is the undocumented even in the face of their lower murder rate, then there must be something else that alarms you. And since the rate of the undocumented crossing the border illegally has fallen for the last decade, and you didn’t call it an invasion even then, something else must offend you—and that is Trump’s rampant racism has enflamed you into racism, too.

There is no other explanation.

Nothing justifies the deaths of loved ones or of hated ones, but the perpetrators of needless deaths, the root of the needless death problem, even without justification, is simply native-born Americans.

I’m not aware that Obama ever called Chicago a utopia, certainly he must realize more than most—he was a community organizer, remember—that Chicago is a dangerous place (not the most dangerous in the US, however; your hatred drives you to a false statistic there). And likewise, you would have to prove your assumption or assertation that Democratic politics is the cause of all the murders.

So, you are left in confusion on several levels of your post. Your racism and your “Chicagois” leave you rather high and dry.

Try again.

BTW, Chicago is #25 on the list of most murderous cities in the US, with a rate of 17.52 murders per 100,000 residents; St. Louis is supreme with a murder rate of 59.29 per 100,000 citizens, wildly beyond your favorite.

Misinformed yet again.
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Jan 13, 2019 12:30:37   #
papakatz45 wrote:
No, the place to start is with illegals. By definition, illegal is breaking the law. Get rid of illegals and the overall murder rate goes down .


Sorry, you are just wrong on that, Totally, completely, and enthusiastically wrong.

The illegal breaking the law is one thing. But if you get rid of him, the murder rate goes up.

His low numbers and the even lower numbers of the legal keep the US rate low. Lost\e either or both of those groups and the native-born American rate rules, and it is twice the undocumented rate.
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Jan 13, 2019 12:18:45   #
Architect1776 wrote:
Isn't just saving one life from illegals worth it. What if it was one of your children would the security of the wall have been worth it?
If not which child do you select to die because you personally disagreed with a wall and border security and what will you tell the dead child's mother and siblings that it was worth their death to prevent a win for America and the President.


The murder rate of the undocumented is almost exactly one-half of the murder rate of native-born Americans.

So, if you want to save your son’s life, or your daughter’s life, the place to start would be to expel the native-born and seek the undocumented to replace them—cut murder rate in half.
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Jan 13, 2019 11:21:49   #
Kmgw9v wrote:
The Wall is not a fix for the many problems related to immigration or border security.
For Trump the Wall has become a monument feeding his narcissism.
The Wall, if it is ever constructed, is an expensive bandaid, but the bleeding will not stop—the border security, immigration, crime, drug problems will not be fixed by this Wall.
Trump wants monuments built to feed his ego—the Wall is just that.


Hear, hear!!!
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Jan 13, 2019 11:20:28   #
LWW wrote:
The above is an absolutely stupid post.

Imagine calling the police because people have hopped your fence and one of them has murdered your child ... and being told no trespass has occurred and there is no crisis.

Please, stop having your “opinions” spoon fed to you.


Here’s a solution to cut murder in the Us by almost exactly half, and allow you to sleep more soundly at night.

And I quote:

Homicide. According to a 2013 report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), between 2005 and 2012, the average homicide rate in the U.S. was 4.9 per 100,000 inhabitants compared to the average rate globally, which was 6.2.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States


"The criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were well below those of native-born Americans," Cato's Alex Nowrasteh wrote.

According to the libertarian think tank's analysis, the rate per 100,000 residents in each subpopulation was 899 for undocumented immigrants, 611 for legal immigrants and 1,797 for native-born Americans.

So (not quoting now) the easiest way to reduce murder in this country would be to expel native born Americans, and solicit the migration of undocumented immigrants.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/03/us/immigrants-crime-numbers/index.html
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Jan 13, 2019 11:06:58   #
LWW wrote:
The above is an absolutely stupid post.

Imagine calling the police because people have hopped your fence and one of them has murdered your child ... and being told no trespass has occurred and there is no crisis.

Please, stop having your “opinions” spoon fed to you.


The learner listens to the words of the wise, the more experienced, those actually on the scene; he seeks their insight, covets it, and try’s to understand what they have learned and are willing to teach.

The otherside is the enemy of wisdom, of experience of others, of insight, respect for fact, and observance of reality.

You get to choose your team, but then you have to live with it. It takes a strong man to recognize folly and change teams. It is very inconvenient.

Sadly, it generally boils down to which area of the brain you first utilize.

Error is chosen in private, by accident really, and is protected and cherished forever.

Sometimes people grow.
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Jan 13, 2019 10:57:40   #
LWW wrote:
Trolledlow has been sooonfed his “opinion” so you have to expect him to regurgitate it on demand.


You would love me being spoonfed as it would absolve you and your responsibility in the issue, but too many facts intercede for you to escape.

Remember trump advocating Putin’s foreign policy, the attack on NATO, the attack of G-7, the rationalization of Russia’s attacks in Ukraine, of Russia’s game in the Middle East, of US leaving Syria, of Trump’s acceptance of Saudi’s murder of an American Journalist (not a citizen, still living in America) of trump agreeing to negotiate with South Korea, and the eventually denuclearization of the peninsula and withdrawing of US troops and protection, and on and on—each and every one fitting Putin’s dreams and instructions.

Trump is Putin’s wet dream, his American voice and vision, his ‘fixer,’ and something unbelievable prior to this—the taking over of a Nation’s Foreign Policy by corrupt but peaceful election.

Damn!

And you, my dishonest friend, back each and every trump move, aiding the kidnapping of the nation’s foreign policy; I hope Putin pays you well.

Remember, sometime public opinion turns abruptly, and in can be a vicious tyrant of its own; many citizens against our revolution were forced to move to England after things settled down. Feel like moving to Russia?

Keep your options open.

For others reading these posts, let me suggest the mature thing to do in a controversy is to read the facts as they exist, and form your opinions from them, instead of twisting facts to match your native leaning towards conservatism or liberalism; reality is a tough teacher, but she’s a stern master, and she always wins in the end.

Fighting her is useless, but recognizing her eases the mind, rests the soul, and leads to peace and stability.
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Jan 13, 2019 09:32:36   #
jcboy3 wrote:
I do hope that, if there is enough evidence, the Trump family gets indicted. They get no protection from Justice Department policy.

I also hope there is enough evidence to indict Pence, as well. If Trump leaves, Pence ascends and probably pardons the whole mess. Pence and Trump go out together; then Pelosi takes over and no one gets pardoned.

That's a scenario that may keep Republicans from action. The whole mess keeps rotting, and 2020 turns into a huge loss for Republicans. Can we put up with 2 more years of this disaster?

Of course, states can investigate and indict for state crimes (like tax fraud). New York seems willing to take these crooks on.
I do hope that, if there is enough evidence, the T... (show quote)


Probably what will happen is the Spiro Agnes/Richard Nixon model, admission of guilt of a single crime and resignation. Trump will sign to save his own ass, but I think saving his daughter’s too will be important to him.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the Republican Party. Trump is correctly not a Republican, not even a conservative, but the Party bought off on him, tainted themselves standing behind his every act and crime, and I hope voters are not generous in forgiveness.

We may see the birth of a new party, or such reorganization as amounts to ‘another’ party. There is a lot of corrupt dead wood to remove.
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