Bill Clinton is a Democratic elector. How fraudulent is that?

Hal...you're shameless.

Please don't mess with the kids.

I have a good imagination

Now, if only NY and CA did that we'd be getting somewhere!

I just finished reading your story - brought tears to my eyes. You were truly loved, and very lucky. Not everyone can say that.

I have a story about my grandmother. She passed in 1982. The family was called in to the hospital and we were all standing around her bed. She said she could "see everyone". We didn't know what she meant until she started saying names. "There's Joe, and George, Paul and Margaret." Those were her siblings that had already died. Then she said "I'm ok now - I know I won't be alone" (she was very afraid of death at the time). Then, right before she left us she said "I'm going to Tibet". We still can't figure that one out to this day, but we get a chuckle thinking that her "heaven" felt like Tibet to her.

Huh. I got those stats from Wikipedia today. Maybe they need to update. Apparently the stats change from year to year, so it could be they just updated their laws. Hopefully more states will go that way.

ETA - I just checked Wiki, and they still have it that way. Thanks for the info.

WOW...just watched the Orange Blossom special - just wow!!

IDK if this applies, but my doctor's name is Dr. Fatz, and he is as skinny as a rail.

I think I'm too new here to realize how silly I've been trying to have any kind of conversation with K. I'm getting it, tho.

Thank you Texcaster - I didn't realize the link didn't post! I posted that and then my phone rang and I forgot to check if it was correct!

And what "facts" have you shown? None. All you can say is "prove it" "prove it", etc. Like I said, there is no way to prove it either way. The election is over. The ballots have been counted. There is no way anyone can look at any ballot and tell me that it is from either a legal person or an illegal one. When they recounted Wisconsin, they actually found more votes for Trump. Probably because Wisconsin is a "very strict voter ID" state, and illegals did not dare to try to vote there.

And yes, I believe that because HRC received so many more ballots in the so-called "popular vote" (which does not exist, btw) proves that there was fraud - especially since the electoral vote, which represents all the people in all the states and counties - was so widely different in Trump's favor. How is that explained? Go ahead with calling me whatever name you can think of, but if you can answer that one question, seriously, I would appreciate it.

The more logic you show, the more vitriol you get back. I think Keenan thinks that the more names he can think up to call me, the more believable he is!

So...the burdon of proof is on whoever made the first accusation? Yeah, that's logical. If either side of this argument can prove that illegal aliens either voted or did NOT vote, I'll eat my hat. NO ONE can prove it either way because it is already done. There is no way that anyone can look at any ballot after the fact and provide proof that it was submitted by an illegal person or a legal one in any of the states that have no voter ID requirement.

The fact that HRC received so many more ballot counts is proof, IN MY OPINION, that fraud did, in fact, occur.

Well, they can't have it both ways. They cannot prove voter fraud did NOT happen. How can they? No one has told me yet how that has been proved. If there is a good, logical explanation, I would love to know what that is.

I experienced how no voter ID requirement works first hand here in NY. No one asked me for any ID in any shape or form when I (a) registered to vote, and (b) voted. I could have been from Mars and no one would have cared that I voted. I could have registered in several counties with a different name and address in each county and voted in those counties, and no one would ever question who I was. If you try to say this, though, you will be accused, as I have been, of living in a fantasy world....of pulling things out of your "arse" and that you are a moron.