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Nov 13, 2017 15:18:22   #
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dyximan wrote:
I have rented both of the above mentioned cameras and the one thing I think you may have forgotten to mention or may not be as much of a concern is the burst rate and the buffer. Although the frames per second is relatively close the Canon has a much smaller buffer 20 to 30 photos before it begins to slow down where as the Nikon pushes 200. Also is your concern about the Wi-Fi to be able to transfer to your phone while out and about, or can you wait to get home put them on your computer and transfer them that way.
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Thanks..... this has been pointed out to me by others as well.. and it is quite important when trying to capture wildlife/action subjects.
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Nov 13, 2017 15:12:51   #
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amfoto1 wrote:
Hi Paul,

You sound like an experienced shooter who can .....


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Alan, WOW!!
Thank you for this most comprehensive, detailed post!

Judging by your post and personal equipment 'laundry list' (me thinks you own a camera store!), you certainly have quite a bit of experience and equipment knowledge.

“I sound like….” Well… more like a WIP… the more I read these posts, the more research I need to do - including expand my horizon – vis a vis more cam models and hands on. It has always been obvious (to me) ‘one size fits all’ just does not apply … to neither cameras nor lenses, regardless of brand.
I watched a T Northrup video (recommended by poster ‘gessman’) re: Canon vs Nikon on bodies and lenses - I’m blown away sooooo much detail and info.

Thoughts:
• While APS-C sensor lenses are cheaper/lighter - this decision is costly if/when I decide to go FF
• WiFi… IMHO most useful for visual rem ctrl of cam shutter vs typical (blind) control with rem shutter release. I don’t want to txfr photos with it – to time consuming. However I want to share jpeg capture or two with fam/friends via email or SMS message vs “download –attach-send” (no facebook/twitter/instagram). I realize wifi will also eat battery power… no free lunch!
• Card slots…. Must have two free for raw + ? file types
• Nikon products do appear to be more expensive – hence my original preference for Canon
• Agree 100% on expecting too much from 18-200mm wide range zoom
• IS…. Yeah Baby!
• Hands on – yes… availability in Wilmington, NC is another issue….
• Macro… eventually…. I do like nature, and ….. “Some of the best things in life come in small packages” - so says my 5 foot wife!
• At the end of the day – camera/lens combo that provide the most accurate reproduction of the subject matter (within a given $$$ budget).
• Dynamic range/sharpness/burst rate-buffer size/AF points, continuous AF, f/8 / lens quality – focus breathing
• Devil in the details!

Thank you for sharing!
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Nov 12, 2017 20:36:53   #
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mwsilvers wrote:
The new D500 is more expensive than the 7D Mark II but it is also two years newer technology. In a head to head contest its probably a better camera partially as a result of that. If you were to get the 7D Mark II I would advise against the Canon 18-200 mm lens, which although fairly competent, does not really excel at anything and has high distortion levels and a design and build that's very old and outdated. In fact if you want the best from either camera you would do well to avoid any of the inexpensive superzoom, wide angle to medium telephoto, lenses from Canon, Nikon, or 3rd parties. They are very popular and extremely convenient, but any zooms lens with a focal range of more than around 4X to 5X (that's four to five times the widest focal length) will compromise image quality to one degree or another. One new lens, the Tamron 18-400 seems to be a relatively good performer, but like all lenses of its type there are still limitations.
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Thanks for this information.... homework, homework.... more homework!
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Nov 12, 2017 20:30:19   #
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rmalarz wrote:
Mochaman, the two comparisons that you mention, articulated screen and wi-fi, aren't photographically related features. Stick to which features are involved with taking a photograph. If we pay attention to those, I'd compare Dynamic Range, sensor, digital grain produced at higher ISOs, etc.
--Bob


Thank you.
I hear you loud and clear. For me, having an articulating-touch screen is a 'nice touch', nice added feature..... not a deal breaker.
The emphasis is on quality reproduction of subject matter. In my original post I felt the 7D MII and D500 were 'close' in the important aspects.... so I asked directly, "what important features am I overlooking" - your comments echo many posters, putting D500 ahead.
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Nov 12, 2017 20:16:31   #
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pahtspix wrote:
I have a Nikon D500 purchased about a year ago..No problems..and the noise that you speak of doesn't show up for me at all until around ISO 6400, at which time it can be easily dealt with in photoshop with the addition of a Topaz "DENOISE" plug-in for Photoshop.. I usually shoot in manual mode on on "AUTO-ISO", setting the ISO ceiling at 3200 for most purposes. I'm an active bird photographer, and use this camera i combo with a Tamron 150-600mm G2, which give me the equivalent reach of 900mm, and is tack sharp all the way open at F6.3..BTW, I'm older than most at almost 74! (YIKES!!) I use this combo with a Gimbal-headed Tripod, or a monopod, or even hand held if I'm "braced"..Good luck on whatever you choose to go with!!
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Thanks for your input! I'll also take a peek at your Tamron!
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Nov 12, 2017 20:13:59   #
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Paladin48 wrote:
My first SLR was the Mamiya-Sekor 1000DTL as well. The clerk in the AAFES BX in Udorn, Thailand told me that the "DTL" model stood for "Down Through the Lense". I bought it anyway and took many, many pictures there. Next up was a Minolta SRT 101 ... kept that one for almost 4 years ... a great learning tool. Had Olympus, Canon, Kodak and many, many smartphone cameras. Over time I got into Astro-Photography and the limitations in that field for film was daunting. Having to wait for film processing was a PIA. It still took me 17 years to jump in with the last camera I will probably ever buy ... the Nikon D610. I'm am over the moon with this camera and its features. Nikon vs Canon is a very sticky debate and people have their brand loyalties (prejudices).
What ever brand you go with you have to decide what your specific discipline will be. I don't believe that there is any camera that will cover ALL bases.
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Paladin48, I'll assume you watched the TV show! :-)
DTL - "Down Through the Lens" ... that works for me!
My dicipline is wildlife/birding. I will look at the 610 for comparisons - this will untimately give me a GAS attack, leading me back to the newer, high end FF cameras.... "Champagne taste - Beer pockets"
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Nov 12, 2017 19:58:16   #
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williejoha wrote:
Do not forget to look at factory refurb's. When you add everything together, you will realize that you saved lots of money. All the hardware I buy is FACTORY refurb with warranty. Looks like new.
WJH


factory referb with warranty is enticing, but I'm still weary on the camera's "mileage", number of owners, flood damage, etc... is there a "CameraFax"? :-\
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Nov 12, 2017 19:53:24   #
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splitwindow wrote:
You really need to get your hands on both cameras and see which fits your hands, which one feels right to you. You can read all these posts until the cows come home and never know which camera is best for you. I’ve shot Nikons starting with the FT, and now use D700 that I love. I bought the D700 because it’s a full frame and “feels” perfect in my hands. Takes great photos even if it’s a old body. I just like the “Feel” of Nikons over Cannons, many have just the opposite opinion. My opinion and other opinions can not tell you which camera “Fits” YOU ‼️
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Cows are on their way... Your comments echo many others in this forum... you are all correct and I am looking for both cameras.

thanks
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Nov 12, 2017 19:49:21   #
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Girl with A Canon wrote:
Hi Paul First welcome to the group and second happy retirement. I will tell you up front I am no pro nor do I have the vast knowledge of many of the others. But what I do have are a couple of Canon cameras. I started with the SX40 and had a chance to buy a 7d from a professional whom belong to a club I went to. I got some L series lenses for it. Then I wanted something a little lighter so I got the Rebel T4i and the lenses I had all fit. Next I had a chance to go to Africa and saw that if I took either camera I would need a much longer lens. That is when the SX50 came out so I ordered it from B&H. Have to brag on that little camera as I got shots that no one else got because of its zoom. But then last year I wanted something newer then the Rebel. The 7d and the lenses were getting heavier and heavier for me at my age to carry. So with the help of all the wonderful people on this sight I ended up with the new Canon 80D. It is a great camera I just love it and all the rest just sit in the closet now. I am friends with a man that promotes Tamron lenses Mike Moats. I asked him about them as on the Web I see his work. So I ordered the Tamron 16-300mm and it lived on my camera till I just got the new 18-400mm. All my Canon lenses are also sitting in my closet. As we get older weight becomes a issue so think of that. I love photography and I have no intention of making money on it. I just share my work with all my friends on Facebook. So while you are checking out everything else look at weight and think to I want to spend all that money like that crazy Girl with a Canon did?
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HA! I gotcha!! Indeed weight, number of lenses, accessories -all take a toll. As far as 3rd party lenses go, all doors remain open.
Thank you "Crazy" Girl with a Canon...
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Nov 12, 2017 19:43:05   #
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GrandmaG wrote:
Welcome! I’ve read most of the responses and you’ve gotten great advice. FWIW, I bought the D500 for the dynamic range, better focus, better buffer and other improvements so many others have mentioned (plus I already own Nikon lenses). The 16-80 f/2.8-4 that came with mine is a great all-purpose lens. The articulating screen and built-in WiFi were a bonus. I use the WiFi rarely because I prefer to share images AFTER pp.

My other consideration was the D750; but I decided to stay with a crop sensor. Of course, now there is the D850; but that is way out of my price range, too.

A note on using the WiFi. I had trouble setting it up but calling Nikon resolved that. Also, you can only send a JPG to SnapBridge on your mobile device. I shoot in RAW only, so my workaround is to perform a slight edit to a photo you want to send and the camera will save it as a JPG.

If you learn by reading and doing, I found the book, “Nikon 500 Experience” by Douglas J Klostermann very helpful.

BTW, after reading this post, I’ll be adding the Nikon 200-500 to my wish list.

Good luck and happy shooting!
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GrandmaG, Thanks for sharing your experiences and tips - most helpful. 200-500.... scratch the wishlist, put it in your 'cart'...... "Just Do It" :-)
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Nov 12, 2017 19:35:30   #
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SusanFromVermont wrote:
I faced the same kind of choices when purchasing my first DSLR. Research brought me to a choice between a Canon and a Nikon that were similar in specifications and price. In the end I chose the Nikon, and it is interesting to note that one of the deciding factors was that the technology of the Nikon was newer than that of the Canon! In your case, the Nikon D500 overshadows the Canon 7D in this regard. And it is a fine camera that suits the type of photography you do the most.

Once you have settled on a camera, the next thing to consider is the lenses. Which ones to use can be at least as important as which camera! The focal length range of zoom lenses is primarily a manufacturing issue that makes it easier to make a lens that is sharp through more of its focal lengths when that range is smaller. Newer lenses are improving this [such as the Nikon 200-500 and the Sigma Sport 150-600], but in general the rule of thumb is less focal length range = sharper photos. The size of the maximum available aperture is another thing to consider. Smaller apertures will not perform as well in low-light situations, but larger apertures are more expensive! So this means that compromise has to be made - focal length vs. aperture, and cost vs. aperture. Another thing to keep in mind is that [in Nikon - I am not familiar with Canon's lens systems] a full-frame [FX] lens can be used on a crop-sensor [DX] camera, and works beautifully as long as you are aware of the effect of the "crop factor". If you can see a full-frame camera in your future, this is something to consider, since lenses can be more of an investment than the camera! [DX lenses can be used on an FX camera, but do not use the whole sensor thereby putting limitations on the results that can be obtained.]

Hope this helps.
Susan
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Susan - Great infomation, great tips. You comments echo other posts I've read.
Thanks!
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Nov 12, 2017 12:15:50   #
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lautenk2 wrote:
PC

You said earlier that budget is important.


indeed it is...
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Nov 12, 2017 12:14:35   #
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tcthome wrote:
The D500 is a better camera for sure. As far as the Wi fi is concerned , Nikons is a little iffy. I do believe there might be 3rd party alternatives that perform better. ( but don't hold me to that.) Considering where you are coming from in photography I think you would be happy with either camera. Good luck with your choice & have fun shooting!


Thank you. Reviews support your wifi point.... It's a "WIP" .... or "That's not a bug... it's a feature!!" :-\
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Nov 12, 2017 11:05:25   #
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davyboy wrote:
Im going to rock your boat! forget canon and Nikon Listen up I will only say this once. you ever take a walk on the wild side? say PANASONIC!! They have a new pro camera coming in January 2018 it is called the G9 Just google it just might change your life.


Googling..... we both know words are cheap.... the proof is in the lab and field tests!
Thanks.......
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Nov 12, 2017 11:02:48   #
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Short and sweet. So, I'll assume you have this set-up? Please share!
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