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Sep 2, 2020 08:06:34   #
steve03 wrote:
That was three years ago (when the GOP had control of both houses) and he has has done nothing since, except make promises. He lied to the American public this past Aug,3 and has not produced a wonderful, beautiful new healthcare plan and that was the whole point of this topic.


Why he hasn't issued that executive order is anyone's guess. We may never know why he didn't (or couldn't) do that.....and he may yet do it. But it doesn't negate the FACT that he tried to pass three bills during the past 3+ years.
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Sep 2, 2020 08:03:33   #
DennyT wrote:
Why would you say that . He has never had a replacement plan - not once. All he has tried is repeal repeal repeal and never had a replacement.

Don’t lie like he does


. Trump is about his branding and nothing else. If congress would have put forth a bill with exactly the same provisions as the ACA but entitles the American medical service plan with nickname of trump care he would have signed in a heartbeat.

You can keep on saying that. Say it a thousand times if you want to. It doesn't make it true.

What IS true is that Trump tried to get Dems to work with him and they won't. Can you imagine Nancy and Chuck saying: "OK, Trump, let's work together on a good health care plan"?? They would rather stiff Americans on a good plan than do that.

Try as you might, you cannot edit the truth.
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Sep 2, 2020 06:41:59   #
Kraken wrote:
Where did you read that or are you just making it up?


There are many many places where this is recorded for historical reasons. Here's one of the many :

On March 6, 2017 House Republicans announced their replacement for the ACA, the American Health Care Act. The bill was withdrawn on March 24, 2017 after it was certain that the House would fail to garner enough votes to pass it.

On May 4, 2017, the United States House of Representatives voted to pass the American Health Care Act (and thereby repeal most of the Affordable Care Act) by a narrow margin of 217 to 213, sending the bill to the Senate for deliberation. The Senate indicated they would write their own version of the bill, instead of voting on the House version. On June 22, the Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017 was unveiled.

On July 27, 2017, the Health Care Freedom Act, also known as the "skinny repeal", was introduced. This bill was defeated 49–51, with Republican senators Susan Collins, John McCain, and Lisa Murkowski voting against it along with all the Democrats and independents.

On September 13, 2017, an amendment to the American Health Care Act, commonly known as Graham-Cassidy, was submitted. The bill was sponsored by Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, with Bill Cassidy of Louisiana as a co-sponsor. A spokesman for the Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said that a vote was planned to occur before September 30th, which was the deadline to pass bills under budget reconciliation Rand Paul and John McCain indicated that they would vote against the bill. Ultimately, McConnell announced on September 26th that the Senate would not vote on the Graham-Cassidy bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
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Sep 2, 2020 06:26:03   #
DennyT wrote:
A lot of words but the point is there has never been a new healthcare plan from trump despite repeated promises. More lies.

Yes, Trump did not implement a new healthcare plan - but it is not because he didn't try to - THREE times.
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Sep 2, 2020 02:30:17   #
DennyT wrote:
Wrong. Wrong wrong

The bill that was voted down was the basically repeal only. The “replace “ companion bill was never put up .
McCain hated Obama care because it rammed through Congress. The republican led senate was trying to do the same thing with a skinnied down bill that did nothing more than repeal but nothing to replace.

McCain said;

I’ve stated time and time again that one of the major failures of Obamacare was that it was rammed through Congress by Democrats on a strict party-line basis without a single Republican vote,” McCain said in a statement after his stunning vote.

“We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of the aisle, heed the recommendations of nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people,” he said. “We must do the hard work our citizens expect of us and deserve.”


To date there has never been a replacement plan !!!

https://www.npr.org/2017/07/27/539907467/senate-careens-toward-high-drama-midnight-health-care-vote
Wrong. Wrong wrong br br The bill that was voted ... (show quote)


Sure...McCain knew better than everyone else in Congress what the right thing to do was. His speech on how to do it the "correct" way, was just another one of his ego-infested blathering rants! If he really wanted to "do the hard work" that was necessary, he would have voted to pass the damned bill so that it could be worked on by BOTH parties.

McCain was a good liar. He could embellish his actions with all the "good intentions" he could think of, but the real reason....one you will never admit to....is that he hated Trump. He might as well have just stood up and said "F@&# YOU" to Trump instead of all those empty words, because that is really what his action amounted to.

This discussion will go nowhere. I believe what I feel is the truth of the matter, and you believe your truths. There's no need to try to take it anywhere else, because there's nowhere for it to go.

Have a nice Wednesday.
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Sep 2, 2020 00:00:22   #
DennyT wrote:
Yeah we know what happen. Why be cause it was a repeal only bill in all cases.

No once I repeat not one replacement healthcare plan has ever been put forward.
So blaming McCain is correct in that he stopped a bill that would only have killed the ACA.
But it was not a replacement plan that has been long promised and never delivered.

Revivionist history or just out and out lie. There has never been a replacement bill. All the republicans have tried us repeal never replace with anything
Yeah we know what happen. Why be cause it was a re... (show quote)


Hellooooo. You talk as if you never heard "repeal and replace". It was a major platform of the Republicans. You don't like it - you disagree...so what? It's not something that's a deep dark dirty secret that just came to light!

Democrats have made it ABUNDANTLY clear that they will not work with Republicans......on anything! Of COURSE there hasn't been a bill. Do you really think Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer would ever work WITH Trump on anything? That's why things are at a standstill right now with healthcare. People do not like paying $5,000 a year on premiums. They don't like having a $7,000 deductible. And those figures are going UP, not down - because no one wants (or can afford) the Unaffordable Care Act, aka: Obamacare.

Now listen closely, it's not hard to understand: Democrats will NOT work with Trump. Period. Let that sink in before you blame President Trump. One thing Trump is not guilty of is NOT trying to work on a better health care bill than the disaster Obamacare. The Dems just won't deal with it with him.

Trump was one vote away from passing a bill. McCain rode in on his high horse and with a big smirk on his face and then with a great show and fanfare, put both thumbs down. ONE VOTE was needed. And because of his hatred of Trump, and not because he cared about healthcare for Americans, he, as you put it yourself, killed the bill. I'm not "blaming" McCain for anything. He voted the bill down single handedly all on his lonesome.
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Sep 1, 2020 22:47:31   #
Texcaster wrote:
So why the bone spurs epithet? So the true believers (such as yourself) continue to carry his rifle and pack.

Just curious, do you have a vision of Mr Babylon's legacy?

Right. Nice try. I gotta give it to you, though...you ARE good at deflection.
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Sep 1, 2020 22:27:25   #
Texcaster wrote:
Dodging the Vietnam draft was the right thing to do. So Trump's really a hero! (if only he would come out and claim his medal)

So why the bone spurs slur? You just don't have a shovel big enough for that hole, do ya...hypocrite.
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Sep 1, 2020 22:10:46   #
Texcaster wrote:
So what? Do you have a point?

The only people sensitive about Vietnam draft dodgers these days are the gung-ho Mr Babylon Boys.

That's the Lib's daily chuckle chuckie. We bag him, you big-him-up.


Yes, I have a point: Throwing Trump's draft deferment around in a snarky way as you did above ("Mr. Babylon's bone spurs"), when Biden did the same thing - at the same time - makes you look like a dope.
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Sep 1, 2020 22:04:40   #
Kraken wrote:
So what is the excuse for the first three years before covid?

The answer is RINOS. Most notably, John McCain...but there were 25 of them at the time.

Though it was a Republican held Congress, Trump could not get a single bill on healthcare (and there were three of them - a fourth bill didn't make it to Congress to be voted on) to pass through Congress since he was elected. The last one was called the Graham-Cassidy bill. I posted above on page 1 of this thread what happened with that bill...if you want to know what happened when Trump tried to pass bills, read that.
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Sep 1, 2020 20:05:57   #
Texcaster wrote:
You must have missed this one. So far pretty good eh?

Watch live: Biden holds speech on blaming Trump for recent violent clashes in Pittsburgh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=156&v=4t-Z2wjU-_A&feature=emb_logo

All Biden has to do is hold the flames of 'Trump's American Carnage' to Mr Babylon's bone spurs every day.

Speaking of bone spurs....Just a few months before President Trump received his now-infamous diagnosis of "bone spurs in the heels," former high school football star, Joe Biden, got the same 1-Y draft deferment for "asthma as a teenager." It was one of five deferments Biden received (the same number as notorious GOP "draft dodger" Dick Cheney) and allowed him to avoid being drafted at the height of the war.

Biden was 6 feet tall, played football in high school and was active in sports throughout college. He spent the summer of 1962 as a lifeguard at a local pool when he was 19 years old.

Asthma my A$$.....

You may want to stop mentioning Trump's bone spurs when talking about Biden - it doesn't work any more.

https://clearcomfort.com/blog/why-asthma-allergy-sufferers-should-avoid-chlorine-pools/
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Sep 1, 2020 09:21:18   #
DennyT wrote:
What joke that is .

Trump had complete control of congress for two years and failed.

RINO. 25 of them....led by John McCain. That's why. Look it up - it's all there.
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Aug 31, 2020 22:37:00   #
steve03 wrote:
this is BS. Even if true it wouldn't prevent Trump from putting out his own healthcare plan. He is just lying to the American people. A few weeks ago he promised that he would present his plan by the end of August. where is it? His administration is more concerned with going to court trying to get the ACA declared unconstitutional then helping the American people during the Pandemic.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/jab-trump-pelosi-unveils-obamacare-bill-71435645

John McCain’s disdain for Donald Trump was stronger than his love of Lindsey Graham. That’s at least one sensible conclusion after the Arizona senator on September 22, 2017 came out against the Graham-Cassidy bill, the THIRD serious attempt by Republicans to replace the Affordable Care Act with a new system...The budget vehicle that Republicans planned to use to pass the bill—in order to circumvent a Senate filibuster - expired on September 30th, 2017. The Republican's long-standing plan was to use the next budget vehicle to pass tax reform.

Senator Rand Paul was already firmly against Graham-Cassidy, and Susan Collins said she was leaning toward a no vote, leaving the G.O.P., which had fifty-two senators, with room for just one more defection if it relied on Mike Pence to break a tie. Unlike the previous time, when McCain delivered the blow to Trump with a dramatic thumbs-down on the Senate floor, this time he sent out a press release. The September 30 deadline passed, and the health care reform was floored until after the mid-terms.

Trump had tried several times to unite both parties to pass a bill where they could work together to reform health care. The Democrats would have none of it, and never allowed any attempts on the Trump administration to pass a bill through Congress. Trump was stonewalled at every attempt. What Trump finally managed to do, since Dems would not work with him on any health care bills, was to sign the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 on December 22, 2017, which eliminated the federal tax penalty for violating the individual mandate, starting in 2019.

As we all know, the Democrats won the House in the mid-terms, and Trump's plan has been floored ever since.

The basic outline that Trump wanted to present in a bill to Congress for both parties to work on included the following:

1. Completely repeal Obamacare. The plan calls for "elected representatives to eliminate the individual mandate" required by the law.

2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. This would allow any health insurance vendor to sell insurance in any state.

3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns. According to the plan, this would help prevent consumers from slipping through the cracks by making insurance affordable.

4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). The plan calls for tax-free contributions into HSAs, and that on a person's death, the money would become part of his or her estate.

5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers. This, the plan says, would help consumers shop for the best price on medical services.

6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. This would allow states to fully manage the program that helps the poor get medical care.

7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. This point of the plan would allow consumers access to drugs manufactured by companies overseas.

The Graham-Cassidy Health Care Plan:
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20170922.062134/full/
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Aug 31, 2020 20:53:53   #
steve03 wrote:
Earlier this month Trump promised a healthcare plan by the end of Aug. Where is it?

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/935669


It's on Nancy's desk waiting to be passed by Congress. It's been there for three and a half years....
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Aug 12, 2020 20:48:24   #
Frank T wrote:
Hey Dippy, its trump that wants to grab women by the pussy.

There's a difference between a pussy and breasts.....ask your mommy to explain it to you...
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