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Jun 27, 2017 21:50:57   #
Apaflo wrote:
Nikon's lossy compression changes the gamma curve in the two highest recorded fstops. Really bad for flowers and wedding dresses, but it does make a smaller file. Probably never a good idea unless you understand it well.

Hence the Lossless Compressed formats are the default best choice.
I can see that would help capture the very subtle differences in hues and tones of flowers and wedding dresses. Can you restate what you mean by the two "highest recorded fstops?" Do you mean f22, and f32. or are you referring to f1.4 or f1.8.

Apaflo wrote:
The difference between 12-bit and 14-bit is how much dynamic range can be recorded. If you shoot low contrast scenes and stay below ISO 800 then 12-bit encoding will do fine. If you shoot higher ISO's in low light, or higher contrast scenes at any ISO you want 14-bit encoding all the time.


Sounds, like you are in favor of cameras that have the option.
Thanks Apaflo
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Jun 27, 2017 20:58:00   #
Winslowe wrote:
Take a shot in each, and compare the results!
That sound simple but I have a lowly D3300 which only has the option to record a 12 bit compressed file. I am asking those that have that option and use it there views.
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Jun 27, 2017 20:03:40   #
While looking at the file formats options for various Nikon cameras I found the following Info in there Camera Specifications:
I understand that compression methods toss away redundant information in order to keep file sizes smaller. Question: Can we expect to see a visible difference when comparing images from 12 bit versus 14 bit file formats or compressed, Lossless Compressed, and Uncompressed file formats?

File Formats info from Nikon Website

Nikon D3300
NEF (RAW): 12 bit, compressed
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline compliant with fine (approx. 1:4), normal (approx. 1:8) or basic (approx. 1:16) compression
NEF (RAW) + JPEG: Single photograph recorded in both NEF (RAW) and JPEG formats

Nikon D5500
NEF (RAW): 12 or 14 bit, compressed
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline compliant with fine (approx. 1:4), normal (approx. 1:8) or basic (approx. 1:16) compression
NEF (RAW)+JPEG: Single photograph recorded in both NEF (RAW) and JPEG formats

Nikon D7000
NEF (RAW): 12 or 14 bit, lossless compressed or compressed
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline compliant with fine (approx. 1:4), normal (approx. 1:8) or basic (approx. 1:16) compression (Size priority); Optimal quality compression available
NEF (RAW) + JPEG: Single photograph recorded in both NEF (RAW) and JPEG formats

Nikon D7200
NEF (RAW): 12 or 14 bit, lossless compressed or compressed
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline compliant with fine (approx. 1:4), normal (approx. 1:8) or basic (approx. 1:16) compression (Size priority); Optimal quality compression available
NEF (RAW)+JPEG: Single photograph recorded in both NEF (RAW) and JPEG formats

Nikon D500
NEF (RAW): 12 or 14 bit (lossless compressed, compressed or uncompressed); large, medium and small available (medium and small images are recorded at a bit depth of 12 bits using lossless compression)
TIFF (RGB)
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline compliant with fine (approx. 1:4), normal (approx. 1:8) or basic (approx. 1:16) compression; Optimal quality compression available
NEF (RAW)+JPEG: Single photograph recorded in both NEF (RAW) and JPEG formats

Full Frame
Nikon D600
NEF (RAW): 12 or 14 bit, lossless compressed or compressed
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline compliant with fine (approx. 1:4), normal (approx. 1:8) or basic (approx. 1:16) compression (Size priority); Optimal quality compression available
NEF (RAW)+JPEG: Single photograph recorded in both NEF (RAW) and JPEG formats

Nikon D750
NEF (RAW): 12 or 14 bit, lossless compressed or compressed
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline compliant with fine (approx. 1:4), normal (approx. 1:8) or basic (approx. 1:16) compression (Size priority); Optimal quality compression available
NEF (RAW)+JPEG: Single photograph recorded in both NEF (RAW) and JPEG formats

Nikon D800
NEF (RAW): 12 or 14 bit, lossless compressed, compressed or uncompressed
TIFF (RGB)
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline compliant with fine (approx. 1:4), normal (approx. 1:8) or basic (approx. 1:16) compression (Size priority); Optimal quality compression available
NEF (RAW)+JPEG: Single photograph recorded in both NEF (RAW) and JPEG formats

Nikon D810
NEF (RAW): 12 or 14 bit, lossless compressed, compressed or uncompressed; small size available (12-bit uncompressed only)
TIFF (RGB)
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline compliant with fine (approx. 1:4), normal (approx. 1:8) or basic (approx. 1:16) compression (Size priority); Optimal quality compression available
NEF (RAW)+JPEG: Single photograph recorded in both NEF (RAW) and JPEG formats
Nikon D5
NEF (RAW): 12 or 14 bit (lossless compressed, compressed or uncompressed); large, medium, and small available (medium and small images are recorded at a bit depth of 12 bits using lossless compression)
TIFF (RGB)
JPEG: JPEG-Baseline compliant with fine (approx. 1:4), normal (approx. 1:8) or basic (approx. 1:16) compression; optimal quality compression available
NEF (RAW)+JPEG: Single photograph recorded in both NEF (RAW) and JPEG formats
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Jun 11, 2017 14:07:29   #
tdekany wrote:
So you would be ok with sending someone to hell for eternity and be ok with that? I think that could only happen if you lacked a conscience.

But as I said, if believing in a made up super being like that gets you through the day, the more power to you.


No, I would like to love them into heaven, but it's their choice.
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Jun 10, 2017 09:37:39   #
jerryc41 wrote:
I replaced the mount on my son's 18-105mm. No directions were included, though.


dsmeltz wrote:
INSTRUCTIONS ARE FOR WIMPS!!!!

and people who want to do it right.


I like to tinker too!
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Jun 10, 2017 09:22:57   #
tdekany wrote:
The reason why i commented is because if there was a god and if god was like what people make god out to be, would be very sad. My limited understanding is that god is pure love without an ego - and love without ego couldn't care less whether I fell or if I was shot or if I won the powerball jackpot. God can only love. I do understand that us, monkeys couldn't comprehend such love, since we have only evolved to have conditional love - love that is ego based. If you look at life itself, you will see that it is impersonal. It doesn't interfere with anything or anyone what so ever. But as I mentioned above, we only know ego based "love" so the most we can imagine is that god is like us. If there was such a god, I'm pretty sure we would have been wiped out a long long time ago. But we are still here. Kind of like the belief that the so called non believers will burn in hell for eternity. Would a loving god do such a thing? That to me sounds more like a psychopath.
The reason why i commented is because if there was... (show quote)


I believe that GOD IS LOVE and cares for us all. We are the psychopaths. History proves that. Man's inhumanity to man is what threatens to destroy the world. A loving God is what keep this world going.
I have been taught that God has given us dominion on the earth. God has given us choice to do good or evil. God only wants us to freely choose to love him. We pay for choices that we make. God stands ready to forgive us our faults.

tdekany wrote:
If there was such a god, I'm pretty sure we would have been wiped out a long long time ago. But we are still here. Kind of like the belief that the so called non believers will burn in hell for eternity. Would a loving god do such a thing? That to me sounds more like a psychopath.


Just the opposite my friend. I believe we send ourselves to hell by the choices we make. Just like a good parent doesn't condemn us to death for a mistake, good parents love us unconditionally in a very limited way(Compared to God's unconditional love).
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Jun 9, 2017 23:54:01   #
tdekany wrote:
Hey, what ever gets you through the day, I am all for it.

Just imagine for a second, that a toddler is about to cross the road. A car is coming, but instead of stopping the toddler, you just watch the accident happen. BUT, you call 911 right away and you know that a fire station is around the corner. The firemen save the life of the child. Do you think there is a human who would worship you for your actions?


I think it more likely that the driver of the car would see the child and stop, or swerves narrowly missing the child. or the parent watching the child get a burst of super human speed and prevents the accident. Near misses always amaze me. Was it divine intervention or mere chance?

A case of, "Is the glass half full or half empty."
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Jun 9, 2017 08:11:23   #
tdekany wrote:
I'm so glad that you are fine, lens can easily be replaced. Hope the new lens is to your liking. As far as somebody watching over you? I'd think if that was the case, that someone would have prevented the fall to begin with. But the idea is nice.


I didn't want to go there, but there are other more subtle hints in my life that suggest otherwise!! There are natural laws that can't be broken like gravity. There are miracles that can't be explained any other way than divine intervention. Yes, I believe in miracles.
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Jun 9, 2017 01:32:31   #
dsmeltz wrote:
10-20 is a good choice. Especially since the reduced the price to 449.00.

When shooting with the 18-55 where are most of your shots ending up? If under 35-or 40, you might want to consider the Sigma 18-35 1.8 Art. Sigma has one refurb for $599.00 right now.


Its either 18mm or 55mm
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Jun 7, 2017 23:55:12   #
JeffinMass wrote:
I hope that you are alright. I fell on my camera and lens and suffered a fractured ankle and shoulder. My camera, lens and myself survived. I would see it as a gift from heaven that you fell. For every bad situation there is always a golden rainbow afterwards. Invest in a lens that has a greater focal length and is more durable. The increased cost is worth it in the long run. You can use your 18-55 as a bookend.


I agree, as the worst damage to me was to my pride, falling in the first place. I had a very slight glancing blow to my head. The wall I believe broke my fall. I think my camera never touched the wall or concrete floor. I fell hard but flat on my back. I am 65 years young, so some body above was watching over me. By the way the Camera works great.
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Jun 7, 2017 23:27:29   #
Leon S wrote:
Rent or borrow a 17-55 2.8 and see what a really good lens will do.


That would fit my future plans well which lens are you referring to?
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Jun 7, 2017 23:15:23   #
rehess wrote:
With that much internal damage, cosmetic damage is meaningless.


I agree, that might have been there before the fall!
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Jun 7, 2017 23:07:41   #
dennis2146 wrote:
I would buy another lens. But I would also think about putting the broken lens on ebay. Many people try to fix lenses and possibly there are parts that they could use. Selling it for parts would bring you some money for it.

Dennis


Good idea!
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Jun 7, 2017 22:41:57   #
I failed to include pictures so here they are:

Thanks for all the comments and believe me I am listening. I wanted a wider lens so I have ordered a Sigma 10-20mm f3.5 82mm. Still undecided on how to fill the gap left by the 18-55mm. I saw a Nikon 50mm f1.8 today which is a FF lens (very reasonably priced). Eventually I want to have FF and APC capability.

Clearly there is lots of hidden internal damage.


Pays to have a UV filter on at all times. The Scrape on the filter is the only cosmetic damage.


all the Glass surfaces seem to intact.

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Jun 6, 2017 01:56:50   #
Hi Guys and Girls
I just broke my 18-55 Nikon kit lens. No insurance, should I repair, replace, scrap or upgrade?
Blessed, that I was not injured.
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