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Oct 24, 2022 09:22:31   #
I need to make a life photoshow celebrating my wife's 80th birthday smoothly set to her fave music excerpts. Best program in today's world to organize such incl. music/picture synch, queuing, integrating slide changes & doing titles? Then keep the result for possible future showing? Tips especially appreciated for 1)copying/resurrecting old photos to project? 2)Integrated projector with quality hifi sound? My experience with prior similar is that appropriate music choices and hifi presentation are really key. Sample shows for ideas?

I'd also like to gather Happy Birthday messages from remote friends/family & incorporate as part of this with pic of the friend or possibly integrate a movie clip. Best fail safe ways to do all this?
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Oct 9, 2022 09:30:30   #
MJPerini wrote:
When you say "does a decent job" the question is compared to what ? If you are genuinely satisfied with the output of your printer, That is what counts the most. If you are interested in showing the maximum possible quality available from a camera like a D850, the answer is you can do significantly better.
True large format , wide Gamut photographic printers can make really wonderful and noticeably superior prints in an optimized workflow. Which includes providing an optimized file --usually a 16bit TIFF in the appropriate color space, and density.
Many labs work mostly from JPEGs which limits your color space to sRGB. The D850 files can exceed Adobe RGB.
However it is unlikely that any file you send to a lab will be the best possible file for the way they are set up. That's why people 'soft proof' to dial in an optimized file, or have printers controlled by RIP (Raster image Processor) software like Image Print.
If you are serious about getting the best quality, pick a lab that Accepts TIFFS in at least ADOBE RGB and speak to them about making some test prints. Once you dial in your file prep and you get good tests, order the big print and then stick with that lab. (---You may be able to try soft proofing in your editing software)
The most important thing is how much effort you want to put into the process. There is no wrong answer, they are your prints and it is your money. Very nice prints can be made from JPEGS. Depending on the file, not all pictures necessarily need a wide gamut printer, others benefit a great deal.
It takes time and effort to find out.
The best place to start is by looking at great prints.
Like many things, getting to 80% of possible quality is easy, getting to 90% is much harder, above that Harder still.
Nowadays, 80% looks very good vs any historical comparison, but you will know when you see the really good ones.
When you say "does a decent job" the que... (show quote)


good summary thanks!
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Oct 8, 2022 10:04:32   #
burkphoto wrote:
Ex digital/film lab product manager here...

Lab prints are not necessarily sharper or more saturated or vivid than inkjet prints made on quality inkjet printers with OEM ink and real inkjet photo paper.

> Silver halide wet process papers have about one fifth the dye stability of pigment inkjet prints.

I have silver halide prints kept in dark storage for 20 years that have faded significantly, and I know they were processed correctly. They were done in our lab! I recently made a 45th year reunion video slide show for my college class, so I saw a lot of 45-49 year old photos that look terrible.

> High end pigment inkjet prints can be made on MANY different types of papers, plus cloth, canvas, and other substrates.

From high gloss coated photo papers to standard 'E' surface paper similar to Kodak Portra, to archival quality cotton rag paper that is absolutely the most matte surface you ever saw, there is something for everyone.

> 90% of digital image quality comes from how you prepare — post process — your files.

Hopefully, you begin by saving raw files at the camera. Post processing raw data gives you FAR more latitude to control color and tones.

If not, hopefully you know professional exposure, white balance, and menu tweaking techniques for achieving great JPEG images in the camera.

Hopefully, before any color and tonal adjustments of your files, you calibrate and profile a photo quality monitor capable of at least P3 color gamut. This requires a software plus hardware solution (kit) from either Datacolor or Calibrite (formerly X-Rite). When using labs, calibrating your monitor is the single most important thing you can do before making ANY adjustments, if you want the best pricing and the best results at the same time, and consistently.

Hopefully, you COMMUNICATE well with your chosen lab, and follow their advice regarding color management and workflow. Typically, they can provide you with ICC profiles for their specific printers and papers, so you can use them as "proofing profiles" or "simulation profiles" to see what your finished prints will look like in your post production software, AS you are doing your final adjustments.

There are MANY great labs in this country. I'll name a few... Bay Photo, H&H, Millers/Mpix, WHCC (White House Custom Color), Full Color, American Color Lab, American Color Imaging, Nations Photo Lab, UPI lab (United Promotions, Charlotte) ...and if you want more, then do a Google search, using 'professional photo labs' for the search criterion.

Modern pro labs do serve different market segments such as commercial advertising photographers, school portrait and event photographers, "mom and pop" street corner studios, arty photographers, art museums doing copy work, photojournalists, etc. Some do a wide range of work.

Others specialize in high end inkjet work or "gicleé" printing. Gicleé is a made-up term invented to disguise the fact that it's inkjet printing. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, professional inkjet printing was confused with crappy office and home inkjet printing in the minds of most people, so there was a very undeserved stigma. There is NO REASON to doubt the quality of high end inkjet prints made on Epson and Canon photo printers. In almost all cases, I would rather have a big pigment inkjet print than a big silver halide print. It will COST a lot more, but it is worth it. You get a much wider color gamut and five times the print longevity because transparent dyes fade, and pigments are solid colors.

I hope this helps. Both labs and home/studio printing have their places. But the prep for both is the same if you want high quality. Setting up your workflow correctly for one will eventually satisfy the other, once you learn finesse.
Ex digital/film lab product manager here... br br... (show quote)


thanks much Bill. Useful reflections and info. What I really want in truth is a knockout pro foto equivalent such as you find (rarely) in galleries and dedicated stores. You know, like Peter Lik. That ain't easy even if all care is devoted to exposure, settings, raw, camera, lens, timing, conditions, etc. etc. Left to wonder how they get it done and how much trial and error is a must!!
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Oct 8, 2022 09:55:12   #
MJPerini wrote:
When you say "does a decent job" the question is compared to what ? If you are genuinely satisfied with the output of your printer, That is what counts the most. If you are interested in showing the maximum possible quality available from a camera like a D850, the answer is you can do significantly better.
True large format , wide Gamut photographic printers can make really wonderful and noticeably superior prints in an optimized workflow. Which includes providing an optimized file --usually a 16bit TIFF in the appropriate color space, and density.
Many labs work mostly from JPEGs which limits your color space to sRGB. The D850 files can exceed Adobe RGB.
However it is unlikely that any file you send to a lab will be the best possible file for the way they are set up. That's why people 'soft proof' to dial in an optimized file, or have printers controlled by RIP (Raster image Processor) software like Image Print.
If you are serious about getting the best quality, pick a lab that Accepts TIFFS in at least ADOBE RGB and speak to them about making some test prints. Once you dial in your file prep and you get good tests, order the big print and then stick with that lab. (---You may be able to try soft proofing in your editing software)
The most important thing is how much effort you want to put into the process. There is no wrong answer, they are your prints and it is your money. Very nice prints can be made from JPEGS. Depending on the file, not all pictures necessarily need a wide gamut printer, others benefit a great deal.
It takes time and effort to find out.
The best place to start is by looking at great prints.
Like many things, getting to 80% of possible quality is easy, getting to 90% is much harder, above that Harder still.
Nowadays, 80% looks very good vs any historical comparison, but you will know when you see the really good ones.
When you say "does a decent job" the que... (show quote)


Thanks. Agree. And I'm looking for the high 90's. Very hard to achieve!!
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Oct 7, 2022 08:55:40   #
coolhanduke wrote:
I don't think sharpness should be any different if you have a good home printer. Maybe if you use a magnifying glass.
But before you send a print off to a photo lab, make sure they are using a silver halide professional printer. Otherwise you will just be getting an ink jet print.
The color gamet should be much better because an inkjet printer is only as good as how many ink jet cartridges it has (cyan/light cyan, magenta/light magenta etc.).
A professional silver halide printer uses a laser capable of millions of colors reproduction. Also, silver halide paper will give you a much better print.
I don't think sharpness should be any different if... (show quote)


This (silver halide) info is good and valuable I think. Do you other Hogs agree?
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Oct 7, 2022 08:53:33   #
yssirk123 wrote:
The Pro-1000 is my favorite printer. Did you do the firmware update that allows for printing panoramas? It extends the maximum page length to something like 45 inches.


I had that printer. I found it made better prints than the current one that is called "business" above. But honestly not that much better in most cases and unless I used it regularly full color the ink would dry or "cake" and therefore it's very very expensive to keep replacing most or all of the 10 cartridges and refresh the nozzles too.

A normal amateur problem!
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Oct 7, 2022 08:48:17   #
thanks, useful.
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Oct 7, 2022 08:46:05   #
thanks! good concrete info!
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Oct 6, 2022 08:10:12   #
I have a Canon Pixma ix6820 that does quite a decent job on photos. But I would like to display some landscapes and some portraits taken at high res settings out of Nikon D850 and would like candid comment on how much better, sharper, etc. going to a lab would give noticeable improvement in display results and also who to pick and how best to interact for notable enlargements such as a 36" pano landscape?
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Sep 20, 2022 10:16:42   #
wonderful trip. not a cruise but a "life as it was" observation amid spectacular scenery! Go and enjoy!!
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Sep 10, 2022 08:27:48   #
if you're talking about the Hurtigruten mail boat trip up the coast from Bergen, IMO this is one of a lifetime and you will have ample opportunity for shots given the many stops, islands and variety. Your two lenses should cover you if weight and bulk are a factor. I'd also consider perhaps an ultra wide angle tho and be aware there will be interesting shots at all times of day. Hope you post some results!
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Sep 6, 2022 09:25:26   #
Boo! Guess you earned your Canon pay today some may say1
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Aug 5, 2022 19:20:13   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you're going to make an effort to respond to prior posts, go the full-mile and use <quote reply>.


ok thanks...
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Aug 5, 2022 15:48:54   #
BebuLamar was correct. I found and did a master reset and that fixed it. Most likely I had done a software update and interrupted it before it was complete...thanks for the comments and the inputs. I will need to re set up my cammera completely again...sorry to say!
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Aug 5, 2022 15:36:26   #
or could be this user!! :-((
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