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Sep 16, 2017 21:00:32   #
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Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
Man is new on the seen, and now in big numbers and growing. Man can influence a lot things with his technology. An important question is whether he is significantly influencing the changes we currently see and to what extent. Time will tell and science will certainly answer the question.

[boberic]While the cartoon is silly, and in and of itself proves nothing, the sea level was indeed very much lower during the last ice age, as much of the water on the planet was ice. Modern sea levels are extremely new. The last glaciation ended 11,000 years ago, hardly an eye blink in geologic time[/quote]
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Sep 16, 2017 10:09:14   #
(The Attic)
Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
Indeed! Well stated and most accurate.

green wrote:
people that believe that scientists support global warming for some kind of monetary scam obviously don't personally know any scientists and probably cheated in their own careers for financial reward... like they claim scientists are doing.

Any scientist who falsifies data better get enough of a payoff to retire because if discovered..it is virtually the end of his career. It's hard to come back to be taken seriously, if it's proven you manipulated data.
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Sep 16, 2017 09:52:59   #
(The Attic)
Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
Your response is not the data that I requested from you based on your previous claim regarding funding or not funding of climate science by the Obama administration.

phcaan wrote:
LOL, what you need is to take off your socialist progressive glasses and see the world.
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Sep 16, 2017 09:44:36   #
(The Attic)
Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
thom w wrote:
And the melting Glaciers, and the rising sea? We make lots of decisions based on probabilities. By the time you have proof positive it will probably be to late to stop it or even slow it down. I can't think of anything we would do to stop climate change that wouldn't leave us better off, even if most climatologists are wrong.


It is never too late to stop polluting our earth and atmosphere. I think economics will take care of our use of fossil fuels. It is already happening. Solar, wind, and tidal will ultimately replace the expensive process of drilling (oil), digging (coal) and transporting these commodities, as it is just too expensive to continue in that direction.
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Sep 16, 2017 09:32:35   #
(The Attic)
Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
Much climate science research was supported during the Obama administration, but I would need a list of all grants denied or given to both groups that you mention to make the comparison? Based on your statement you must have such data?

phcaan wrote:
Fair enough, but how you explain the fact that under the Obama administration, if you were a scientist and were studying the non man made climate change, there were no grants available to you? But if you were studying man caused climate change, grants from the government were plentiful and not hard to qualify for.
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Sep 15, 2017 16:12:39   #
(The Attic)
Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
You must "really" ask the authors. Remember that is an average global temperature. Glad you read the article.

Blurryeyed wrote:
Really? How balanced can it be when it states that global temperatures have risen about 2 degrees since 1880, kinda looks like cherry picking to me to support the alarmists in a subtle way.

From Scientific America...

"The global temperature has increased more than 1 degree Fahrenheit [0.7 degree C] since 1900"


0.7 degrees C = 1.26 F.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/average-global-temperature-rise-creates-new-normal/
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Sep 15, 2017 12:53:40   #
(The Attic)
Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
Science must answer if man is significantly involved in climate change, and I believe it will. This will take some time and money and I believe the world has plenty of both. To understand the science of climate change and man's possible involvement in the current era is important.

Your posted article at the URL in your response is also an interesting read.

hondo812 wrote:
That may end up being true but have you read from this "author" much? He also has this article. http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/climate/should-you-trust-climate-science-maybe-the-eclipse-is-a-clue.html

This article is an opinion piece trying to equate the precision of celestial physics to climate prediction is disingenuous on any level. For Gods sake, the Mayans knew when there was going to be an eclipse!

This is what used to be termed hack science. Oh, it can be interesting to be sure. But this is the equivalent of "Chariots of the Gods" by Erich Von Daniken

As for climate change, of course it changes. Look at the cliff dwellings of Mesa Verde, or any number of abandoned pueblos throughout the American Southwest. That area has been undergoing a drought for the last several thousand years. You may call me a skeptic but I don't believe those bodies of water dried up due to anyone driving their gas guzzling SUV.

As for the rest, a thoughtful reminder....


http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/68/68eb1932463fb0e215bc9b0e62ba1120028be58c28e14b27254280181b9bd7c1.jpg
That may end up being true but have you read from ... (show quote)
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Sep 15, 2017 12:46:53   #
(The Attic)
Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
phcaan wrote:
When you get paid for a specific conclusion, and not paid if you don't reach that conclusion, is hardly scientific a determination.
The great majority of scientists do not behave the way you seem to believe they do. If they behaved the way you conclude science would never have progressed to where it is today. The great majority of climate scientists are no different. They are peered reviewed by reputable scientists peers.

You do not seem to know much about how science operates, and you missed the main points of the article I posted, as you did not address any of the major points.
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Sep 14, 2017 20:22:44   #
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Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
phcaan wrote:
I think I would trust him more that a bought and paid for scientist producing papers to support whatever he is paid to prove.


So go trust him, but please learn what science is all about before making such claims - "bought and paid for scientist ....."

So if you are so proficient in science, go and eagerly read the science papers on the subject, pick a point and make an scientific argument. Have you published scientific papers?
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Sep 14, 2017 20:20:55   #
(The Attic)
Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
hondo812 wrote:
Really? Are we having the Climate Change/Global Warming/ Man is Evil/The Sky is Falling debate again?

The science isn't settled.
The output of the Sun is primarily responsible for the temp on Earth.
The wobble contributes to that.
It was warmer during the Roman warm period.
Plenty of reputable scientists have indicated that the case for CO2 is grossly overstated.

Personally, I think the data collection for something as simple as temperature is flawed. They average the current data to create a fictional data point (no instruments at that position). The instruments used are not the same as they used 140 years ago (obviously) and don't have the same levels of precision. The time of day is also a factor and can be shown to be flawed over time.

I could go on but this gets boring after a while.

Let me know when you have proof or at least something new.
Really? Are we having the Climate Change/Global Wa... (show quote)


I am not making a claim, as I am not an expert in the area. But my ears and eyes are open, and I believe science will ultimately have the answers.
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Sep 14, 2017 20:18:20   #
(The Attic)
Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
skylane5sp wrote:
Here. I'll add this which shows that sea level is actually lower now than it was a couple of thousand years ago. Look at the very upper left of the lower graph:


So, one graph explains it all?
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Sep 14, 2017 15:52:10   #
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Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
cwp3420 wrote:
Makes more sense than the shit you posted, rocket scientist.
Wow, what a nice, informative, intuitive, meaningful and helpful response from a really deep thinker, and climate scientist, expert, I presume? Thanks.
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Sep 13, 2017 19:18:09   #
(The Attic)
Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
Wow, a real knowledgeable and proficient scientist weather person telling us how it really is and with such convincing evidence (cartoons). Thanks

skylane5sp wrote:
OOOOO. The sea level might rise a few inches. B.F.D.

Where was sea level 17,000 years ago? 140 METERS LOWER than it is today.

The climate has been 'changing' since this planet formed. And it has 'changed' a lot more in the past than what all the AlGoreClimateWhores predict.
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Sep 13, 2017 15:43:34   #
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ejrmaine wrote:
All these experts have failed to show "real science" supports their claims and projections.


"Real" science?
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Sep 12, 2017 19:38:13   #
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Balanced Read On Climate "Change"
jeep_daddy wrote:
Just one persons report on their opinion of what will happen and what conservatives think. Personally, I don't think there's been enough time gathering data to determine how the climate will be 500 years from now. They predict 1 foot of rise in the sea per hundred years. Even if that's true, that's hardly enough of a problem to be throwing money at. Sure, if the universities want to study it, fine. But making some of the people pay with higher restrictions, taxes, carbon footprint this and that, and not get the whole world on board is hardly a solution.
Just one persons report on their opinion of what w... (show quote)


It is good that there are differing opinions on this subject, as one side may be wrong and the other right.
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