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Apr 27, 2024 13:30:43   #
Kraken wrote:
That must have hurt.


Nah.... I am sticking with Webster's definition.... It is not uncommon for someone to find something missing from their personal items only to hear them explain... "I've been robbed!"
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Apr 27, 2024 13:15:59   #
Frank T wrote:
Yes, I've heard uneducated, uninformed people use the term robbed when they meant stolen.
I suppose considering it's fox news, I should allow for them being uninformed and uneducated.


You are such a DA... force or even personal interaction is not required to meet the definition of robbery.

Merriam Webster.....

"robbed; robbing
Synonyms of rob
transitive verb
1
a
(1)
: to take something away from by force : steal from
(2)
: to take personal property from by violence or threat
b
(1)
: to remove valuables without right from (a place)
(2)
: to take the contents of (a receptacle)
c
: to take away as loot : STEAL
rob jewelry
2
a
: to deprive of something due, expected, or desired
b
: to withhold unjustly or injuriously"
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Apr 27, 2024 13:11:37   #
Effate wrote:
You had a career in law enforcement so you obviously know and heard it 100’s of times, “my house got robbed or my car got robbed” when in fact it was a burglary or a car clout.


Do you really believe that Frank had a career in law enforcement?
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Apr 27, 2024 13:08:37   #
Triple G wrote:
There is no Palestine without Hamas...the deal with the devil. If Hamas is eradicated, some other terrorist group will fill the void. That could be Hezbollah. Anger, vengeance, terror and killing are all they know since peace has never lasted long. There is no honor nor honesty, so no peace plan will succeed. You can say Palestine is Hamas and say they deserve what they get, but there are too many reasons I can't get there; innocent children, peaceful Palestinians, elderly and a belief that they deserve to be safe in a homeland.

If there is any possible ending of current war, it lies within leadership within Iran, Jordan, Qatar, etc. They know who the financiers and leaders are and where they live.
There is no Palestine without Hamas...the deal wit... (show quote)


To destroy the leadership and the military structure that Hamas has built over the years, as well as it's infrastructure under the ground and cities is the current goal of Israel. In doing so it will minimize the severity of the future threat coming from the Gaza Strip for years to come. That is what is happening in Gaza and you are quite correct that it is coming at a great cost to the Palestinian people, but they are the same people who have elected a terrorist organization to govern Gaza and they have supported the attack of 10/7 as well as all previous attacks on the Israeli people. No one wants to see women, children, and even men killed, but Israel did not ask for this war however for the security of their people they will fight it and they will pursue their goal of eliminating Hamas to the point that it is no longer a near term threat.
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Apr 27, 2024 12:59:35   #
Triple G wrote:
Read the other article anyway to put it in context of all the other activities. It's not any one incident that has fueled the hatred.


I think that there will always be problems and that is my point. It starts with the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire after WWI and the colonial governments and broken promises of self governance. Then after WWII the west creates the Israeli state against the will of the Arabs in the area. We have colonialism, the appropriations of lands, and religious conflict all contributing to the lingering unrest in the area not to mention Israel's security measures that many see as oppressing the Palestinians in both the Gaza and the West Bank.

So, how is this going to be fixed, in my opinion it won't be, the two state solution was suggested and worked on as far back as the 1940's and has never been accepted in earnest by either or both sides. We know that children are taught from a young age that it just to hate and even kill Jews in an effort to rid the land of their stain......

Personally I don't see a change happening, again as we have so many times before tried to apply our principles and norms on a people which does not share them and we have failed time and time again.

In my opinion if Israel can make peace and alliances with other nations in the area progress will be made, the casualities will be the Palestinian people and their hope for a state of their own without the presence of the Jews in the area.

The Jewish people have the own presence in the area dating all the way back to 1200 BC or so and in 900BC there was the Northern Israel and in 850 BC there was Judah. So, it is not quite fair for any to suggest that the Israelis have no claim to be in the Middle East, they have come home to the land from which they were expelled by stronger warring powers.
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Apr 27, 2024 12:21:01   #
Why does the world so dislike and even hate the Jews? Even in this country before the current situation in Gaza hate crimes in this country were disproportionately committed against Jews, and if you look at the UN voting record that involves Israel, well it does not reflect common sense and fairness.
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Apr 27, 2024 12:18:03   #
DennyT wrote:
That’s not what college students are saying !


Yes it is Denny as well as "We are Hamas!"
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Apr 27, 2024 12:14:08   #
Triple G wrote:
Yes, from 1993 when talks began to 2000. The far-right Israelis also opposed the deal and assassinated Rabin in 1995 soon after the signing. It was an uneasy peace, but they lived up to the accords in having elections etc. Read the timeline I posted to BTBG. It was Israelis who broke the accords agreements.


The part about the hard right Israelis and the assignation was included in the clipping I posted.
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Apr 27, 2024 12:13:04   #
srg wrote:
But seeing is believing.
Too bad raQ only looks at bullshit.


Dumbasses arguing over a true story correctly reported.... Some people are just as stupid as stupid can be. BTW, the Fox settlement happened to make the same defense that MSNBC made in a case involving Queen Maddow. It is also worth noting that that suit was against one of their opinion shows that their hard news devision is and always has been accurate in their reporting.
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Apr 27, 2024 12:10:12   #
Kraken wrote:
Sorry, I am late....


My, my, have you seen your Obstetrician?
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Apr 27, 2024 12:07:40   #
Frank T wrote:
As usual, Fox News got it wrong.
He was not the victim of a carjacking. What occurred was that someone broke into his unoccupied vehicle while it was parked in a garage and stole his luggage.
So in the end, Yes, he was the victim of a crime, but it was neither a carjacking nor a robbery.
Why can't Fox News be truthful, just once? This is why people call it Faux News.


Where did Fox report that it was a car jacking, Fox did not report that, you made that up. Read the link fool.
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Apr 27, 2024 12:03:14   #
Triple G wrote:
Yes. They did with the Oslo Accords.


Did they really?

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Oslo Accords

"The Oslo Accords are a pair of interim agreements between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO): the Oslo I Accord, signed in Washington, D.C., in 1993;[1] and the Oslo II Accord, signed in Taba, Egypt, in 1995.[2] They marked the start of the Oslo process, a peace process aimed at achieving a peace treaty based on Resolution 242 and Resolution 338 of the United Nations Security Council. The Oslo process began after secret negotiations in Oslo, Norway, resulting in both the recognition of Israel by the PLO and the recognition by Israel of the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people and as a partner in bilateral negotiations.
Among the notable outcomes of the Oslo Accords was the creation of the Palestinian National Authority, which was tasked with the responsibility of conducting limited Palestinian self-governance over parts of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip; and the international acknowledgement of the PLO as Israel's partner in permanent-status negotiations about any remaining issues revolving around the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Bilateral dialogue stems from questions related to the international border between Israel and a future Palestinian state: negotiations for this subject are centered around Israeli settlements, the status of Jerusalem, Israel's maintenance of control over security following the establishment of Palestinian autonomy, and the Palestinian right of return. The Oslo Accords did not create a definite Palestinian state.[3]
A large portion of the Palestinian population, including various Palestinian militant groups, staunchly opposed the Oslo Accords; Palestinian-American philosopher Edward Said described them as a "Palestinian Versailles".[4] The peace process was strained by the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre as well as by Hamas suicide bombings and attacks.[5][6] Far-right Israelis also opposed the Oslo Accords, and Rabin was assassinated in 1995 by a right-wing Israeli extremist for signing them.[7][8] The Oslo process ended after the failure of the Camp David Summit in 2000 and the outbreak of the Second Intifada."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
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Apr 27, 2024 11:33:59   #
Triple G wrote:
There are some protestors chanting that, but not all. Just like in the 1960's, police presence on campuses to quell what students believe is free speech is a messy operation.

https://www.thefire.org/news/saying-river-sea-palestine-will-be-free-protected-speech-under-first-amendment

The Hamas attack was certainly barbaric and I condemn it strongly. There is no rationale for any of the killing over property rights. It will never end until that is settled. It's sad, but a terrorist outfit is expected to be conscienceless, but a religious nation state is expected to behave according to national and international norms and laws. The world is beginning to sour on Israeli actions.

South Africa: The Foreign Ministry issued a statement calling for de-escalation and blaming the conflagration on "the continued illegal occupation of Palestine land, continued settlement expansion, desecration of the Al-Aqsa Mosque and Christian holy sites, and ongoing oppression of the Palestinian people". South Africa affirmed its support of a two-state solution.[43] Foreign minister Naledi Pandor was criticized by the South African Jewish Board of deputies for taking a phone call from Hamas ten days after its attack and accused her of taking sides in the conflict. Pandor denied expressing support for Hamas and said that she expressed support for the Palestinian people and discussed aid for the people of Gaza.[44][45] South Africa voted against condemning Hamas at the United Nations.[20] On 6 November, Minister in the Presidency, Khumbudzo Ntshavheni, announced a withdrawal of all its diplomats from Israel.[13] On 21 November, the National Assembly passed a motion calling for the closure of the Israeli embassy and the cutting of diplomatic ties until Israel agreed to a cease-fire in Gaza.[46] On 29 December, South Africa submitted the case South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention) to the International Court of Justice arguing that Israel was responsible for a genocide of Palestinians in Gaza.[47]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#:~:text=A%20number%20of%20countries%2C%20including,Muslim%20world%20(including%20the%20Axis

I'm afraid there is no peaceful solution. I support self determination and sovereignty for both Israel and Palestine and strongly oppose aggression and attacks from either side.


https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/from-surgical-strikes-to-dumb-bombs-experts-weigh-in-on-israels-methods-in-gaza/1frffb2a0

https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-does-destroying-hamas-mean#:~:text=Israel%20has%20three%20broad%20options,them%20to%20displace%20the%20group.
There are some protestors chanting that, but not a... (show quote)


Do you actually think that as long as Israel exists that the Palestinians will ever allow for peace?
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Apr 27, 2024 11:29:49   #
Triple G wrote:
I'm not sure they hold Hamas as blameless, but as protecting Palestinian land (deal with the devil) and seeing Israel as the aggressor against Palestinians and "their" land. College students are idealistic and more emotional than rational.

"College students fairly overwhelmingly want their colleges to Boycott and Divest from corporations that are benefiting Israel's actions in Gaza.

More than 30 states have laws on the books that prohibit any institution receiving state funding from boycotting Israeli businesses.

Those two things are in strong opposition to each other, which means nothing is getting done on the institutional side. Because nothing is getting done and the academic year is getting closer to the end, students are escalating their protests across the US by starting encampments on campus to put further pressure on the administration to do something.

Basically, this doesn't end until the school year ends, and colleges are doing whatever they can to tamp down student action until then, hoping the summer gives them a few months breathing room for everything to blow over."

The New York Times podcast did a pretty good story on Columbia University in New York City.

The universities are juggling (in no particular order) 1) keeping students safe 2) making students feel safe 3) keeping donors/patrons happy 4) keeping politicians off their back 5) allowing protests with as little disruption as possible (sort of self contradictory).

As far as the various students and professors go....
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This is extremely complicated because there are so many different camps and bad faith actors. Just two quick examples. One can support Palestine's right to exist without supporting and even denouncing Hamas. One can also support Israel existing while being against illegal settlements that foot by foot expand Israel by stealing peoples homes and erasing the possibility of a Palestine state.. You will have extreme views on both ends that try to push people towards different corners. Each extreme end tries to justify their version of a genocide as being justified. Since everyone in the conflict has committed war crimes, it's easy point the finger at the enemy, instead of working on a solution and look inward. An NPR article from January had these statistics.

"Palestinian militants killed some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and took about 250 hostages back to Gaza."

"Since the war started, 25,105 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, while another 62,681 have been wounded, the Health Ministry said." ( The ministry of health is run by Hamas so the numbers can be a bit suspicious, but Israel won't allow independent journalist so I don't trust them either.)

It's also important to know that Netanyahu who is Israel's prime minister in extremely corrupt and disliked. This war has a wag the dog like aspect, as it delays his trial/s. So an hard right unpopular politician has strong incentives to keep it going. Even though many believe he is responsible at least partially for the war due to his policies in the first place.

TLDR: So with that...Some Pro-Palestinian students/professors want their universities to divest from business and educational interests. Some Pro-Palestinian students/professors are chanting Hamas genocidal chant/slogans and threatening Jewish students. Some pro-Israeli students/professors are trying to equate any criticism of Israel as being anti-semitic. Some Jewish students feel reasonably afraid for their lives. As is often the case, the loudest voices tend to be most extreme and drown out any reasonable discussion.

Meanwhile the universities just want to keep teaching/making that money, and moving students through with as little effort as possible. They have to decide the pros and cons of what will de-escalate or escalate the situation. As in call the cops, or let the protests continue. Those two things are in strong opposition to each other, which means nothing is getting done on the institutional side. Because nothing is getting done and the academic year is getting closer to the end, students are escalating their protests across the US by starting encampments on campus to put further pressure on the administration to do something.

Basically, this doesn't end until the school year ends, and colleges are doing whatever they can to tamp down student action until then, hoping the summer gives them a few months breathing room for everything to blow over.
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So, would you be saying the same if the protesters were wearing red caps displaying support of the KKK while making black students feel it unsafe to be on campus? You have to look at the reality of what is going on and understand that the jewish student's civil rights are being threatened by the protests and hate speech that is occurring on campus. The left's understanding of the first amendment amazes me, the protesters have the right to all the hate speech they want to spew, they don't have the right to take over college campuses, roadways, bridges, or in any other way disrupt the lives of their fellow citizens, clearly such acts are not a first amendment right.
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Apr 26, 2024 17:04:10   #
Triple G wrote:
I'm not talking about the Biden administration.

It's the leaders of Israel and Hamas who are not blameless. Protests for a pro-Palestinian right to their sovereign nation is spreading around the world. US has picked a side; that hasn't served us well as evidenced by the outcome of siding with the Shah of Persia for all those years. Problem is after all the years invested, how do you say you want out?

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/27/netanyahu-biden-israel-gaza-war-tensions


I do believe that the article you linked spoke a great deal about the division between the Biden administration and Netanyahu.
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