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Dec 9, 2013 11:43:56   #
conkerwood wrote:
Still trying to get to grips with B&W conversion so all suggestions, reworks etc are gratefully received.
It really was a very flimsy fence and I am sure that he could have crushed it and me in an instant if he had a mind to. I always liked the pic because the cloud above his head reminded of of the old cartoons where you always see a dark cloud over the bulls head to indicate that he is not happy. My thanks in advance for your comments.

Peter


He just wants to make friends, that's all! Nice shot - probably wouldn't work as well if it were colour. I love the detail on his face - his 'whiskers' really stand out.
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Dec 9, 2013 11:41:13   #
Country's Mama wrote:
I shot a series of seeds and seed pod photos this fall. I am just now getting the time to spend some time on them. Please give me an honest C&C. Please no edits.


Yeah, not really my kind of subject, but I do like the composition of it. I agree with pretty much everyone else about how effective the background is!
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Dec 7, 2013 21:59:06   #
RedIris wrote:
Pg. 83 and 84 in the manual.
In Auto, change the setting to something other than Quick.
You might have Review and Review Info mixed up. Read about both.


I never had it set to quick. In auto it is set to 2 seconds. In other modes, it is set to off, and is not available. Review info is just setting what to show. If Review is not visible, then the info doesn't apply.

There is nothing on those pages to suggest that this should not be available in all modes.
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Dec 7, 2013 17:10:58   #
Wahawk wrote:
After playing with settings, sometimes the only way to get some of those options back is to RESET to factory defaults and slowly start getting your settings back.


That's what I feared... Thanks.
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Dec 7, 2013 16:11:29   #
Elliern wrote:
Yea, the sx50 dows have safety shift. My question to all of you more experienced than I...do I want it off or on?
Thanks


I turned mine off. If I try to use the 'wrong' settings, at least I will see that it doesn't work, and know why. Rather than have the camera try to take over the world.

It's a clever little beastie, but not as clever as it thinks it is!
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Dec 7, 2013 16:09:08   #
RedIris wrote:
We feel we are missing something too.... a clear and precise manual. ;)

I went from a G series camera to the xs50hs, and I know how the Menus are laid out. So, I read through and have only looked at it a few more times since May, when I bought my camera. When you want to know something about your camera, you look it up in the manual. If it isn't in the INDEX or Table of contents..... why should you have to re-read the whole manual to find what you're looking for?

You shouldn't have to 'take notes' as to where you found the answer.

In comparison, I was reading over the manual for the new PS G16 the other day... it's much more "tutorialistic" and an easier read than the sx50hs manual.
We feel we are missing something too.... a clear a... (show quote)


I have just been out shooting, and found another 'clever extra' feature... At some point, I turned off the review of the shot just taken. I was shooting today in strong, directional sunlight, and I wanted to see if it was working out. I went in to the menu, and the review option is set to OFF, and greyed out so it cannot be selected. Changing the camera to Auto, I go into the menu, and review is ON, and set to 2 seconds. Change back to P, or Tv or Av, the option is still set to OFF and unavailable.

I tried searching in the wonderful pdf manual - turns out adobe reader does not have a search feature, which kinda defeats any positive reason for the online manual, but still.
I found 3 pages which reference the review function. According to the grid of features at the back, this is available in all the modes I am trying to use. The other 2 places it was mentioned do not give any indication that it cannot be turned back on again.

I know I am starting to sound like a scratched record (dating myself there...), but can anyone tell me how to get this back?
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Dec 7, 2013 15:59:47   #
Wahawk wrote:
Maybe I am missing something, but I have been using the SX50 since February of this year and still haven't looked at the manual!!! Just played around with it for a while before I took it out shooting!!


I don't know, maybe you had experience of other digital cameras before? I don't know about everybody else, but this is so far from my previous experience that it is not intuitive at all.

Heck, maybe we are all dumb and you are the clever one... I don't know.

Every other camera I have ever handled which had a Tv mode - Canon A1, Nikon F2 and FE something, Chinon (store-branded slr) - if you set a shutter speed, then that was the speed the shutter went at, no matter what. Why would I guess that the camera might not let me shoot at my chosen speed?

Enough people have posted here to let me know I am not alone in this!
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Dec 7, 2013 12:37:05   #
Dlevon wrote:
The SX50 is fine for that. Been there done that. Make sure you read your manual thoroughly about the settings that you might use, and or program settings you can use, such as fireworks, high speed, etc. and practice before you go . You still can also shoot everything on automatic if you want. The camera will handle it very well for the trip. You should be able to get very nice shots for your whole experience, don't forget the video aspect. It shoots terrific 1080 video, plus the capability of taking individual frames when you're shooting video. In my experience the wide-angle was good enough.
The SX50 is fine for that. Been there done that. ... (show quote)


Based on my experience with the sx50, it is worth trying a test run first. Every time I try something new, it turns out there is something hidden *deep* in the manual which affects what I am trying to do. If you are going to try shooting at night, it's worth going out beforehand and try your hand.

If you are an expert who has done all this before, then please excuse me. I am just a beginner who has stumbled over several aspects of using this marvelous little beastie, and would hate to see other beginners hit the same issues.

Sorry, I realise now I quoted the wrong message - I was referring to the OP's post, not yours.
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Dec 7, 2013 12:27:20   #
Rongnongno wrote:
Nature's color is not subjective.
Nature color's can be changed by your eye (color blindness by example). This is not subjective either.
Interpretation of what colors means is subjective.


Colour blindness has always fascinated me... What do they actually *see*? I know the commonest form leaves people unable to distinguish between red and green - this was why traffic lights have the amber too. So, do they see both as 'green', or both as 'red', or perhaps as 'grey'? I have never asked anyone who actually suffers from this, but in any case, how could they describe it?

I mean, I see that tree as 'green', but how can I describe that colour to you without referencing some other green item? If you happen to see my green as purple, then you would think that *that* was green...

Just the ramblings of an insane mind...
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Dec 7, 2013 11:45:40   #
RedIris wrote:
I agree completely. The manual for the SX60HS is little more than an after-thought, it's not up to par with the big guns that's for sure. The INDEX is atrocious! I was trying to find something the other day and it wasn't even listed in the Manual Index.

I printed the PDF -two sided- in loose leaf notebook form.(yes, it took a while). It's hard to fit into my camera bag, but it's a lot easier to read and use without a computer/tablet/smartphone device.


I got it printed and bound at staples, although it cost rather more than I expected - $35! I had thought about editing out most of the stuff that I will never use - face recognition? Really? - but there are so many links and references to other sections that it is just hopeless. That was how I couldn't make any sense of it from the pdf.

I don't carry it with me, but I do have one of those laminated cheat-sheets that amazon have for about $10.
Only trouble is, most times I don't carry my camera bag either! *sigh* (that's a tag which should be provided too)

Given that it is such a marvelous little camera, the crappy manual is more than frustration... Someone suggested either up above or in my other thread about the sx, that canon probably figure that *real* photographers (whatever *that* means) wouldn't bother with a camera like this. That is a decent point, I guess. There again, how many beginners can afford to spend the mega$ for a 5DIII? And someone who has the skills to use a beastie like that shouldn't *need* too much of a manual.

I was saving up, hoping to have enough to get a refurb T3i in a few months. Anything more than that would have stretched my budget way beyond breaking. When I saw some of the photos being posted here by SX50 owners, I got interested. Then, having the chance to pick one up and try the zoom (in wallmart, of all places!), plus being too impatient to wait another 3 or 4 months, well, the rest is history.

I have no regrets about the camera whatsoever. In a couple of years, if finances permit, I may well get a dslr to go with it, but at the moment this camera operates well above my skill level. Every time I try to do something other than just walking through the park looking for likely scenes, I discover that I have something else to learn.
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Dec 7, 2013 11:31:57   #
RedIris wrote:
I broke down and printed off the manual in two sided mode... for a loose leaf notebook size book. I can see it.
Have you tried to use the Index at the back? It's almost useless.

Please don't mind my shots with the window light... they're just some of the first shots with my camera.


I didn't even *find* the index until someone here pointed it out. It is lost in the pages of warnings and bumf. And yes, it is useless. There should be a mention of *every* feature in there at least once!
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Dec 7, 2013 11:30:42   #
Lee Thomas wrote:
I was a bit overwhelmed with the 286 page manual, too. What I found helpful was to print just a couple of pages of the feature I was trying to learn. My first thought was to try everything that was new and different but then I came to my senses and slowed down a bit. 8-) I also went through all the YouTube videos that another UHH'er posted by FatDragon100. She goes through just about every feature using her SX40 and you can also apply it to the SX50 to a large degree. Check out her videos when you have time, Bloke. In the meantime keep shooting. :D
Lee
I was a bit overwhelmed with the 286 page manual, ... (show quote)


yep, I'll do that!
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Dec 7, 2013 11:29:29   #
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Maybe Canon figure that 'real' photographers won't buy a camera like this, and aim the manual squarely at the beginner crowd? I downloaded the manual for the 5D when the mark III came out - wishful thinking! - and that is a *proper* manual. I would hope that - at that price - it comes with a proper book, too!


Yep, me too! :oops:
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Dec 7, 2013 08:15:46   #
Mogul wrote:
Bloke, actually the subject is covered in your Table of Contents, page 6, the bottom right entry; HOWEVER, there is no reason that you would have known that this was an entry that might have pertained to your problem. Camera manufacturers seem to delight in using obfuscating terminology. To see your situation described as "shift" or "shutter speed automatic adjustment" is beyond the hopes of us mere mortals. You would find the same feature in a Nikon or Sony camera, but I can just about guarantee you that is will be called something else. Don't beat yourself up because you missed something in a manual. I have had to read Forensic Psychology books in which the bibliographies have bibliographies - and when you find that the bibliography's bibliography refers you back to the book you are reading, you will know the frustration of deliberate technically written inconsistency.
Bloke, actually the subject is covered in your Tab... (show quote)


The entry just says "specific shutter speeds". To my mind, anyone who has used any kind of non-auto camera before would see that and assume that Tv means Tv. You are right, though, in that even if it listed "safety shift", who would guess what that means?

I used to be a computer sysadmin, and I know what manuals can be like. As with yours, circular references can - and will - happen. I have also tried to write user manuals for software that I have written, so I know it is not an easy job. When you know the subject intimately, it is very difficult to describe it properly, without talking 'down' to the user.

So, I do appreciate that writing these manuals is no trivial task. I just feel that this particular one is really, really bad! :D
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Dec 6, 2013 22:08:33   #
Msiwc wrote:
I learned recently at a seminar..the reason for limits on cameras was due to the classification..If they were allowed to record longer, they would face import taxes as a video camera. Therer is a different duty on the two apparently so mfg was forced into limits. I was supprised as you prob are reading this!


Yeah... I wondered why on Earth they would limit the time like that. I can't imagine that they would pay that much, though. I bought a little 'action cam' - the poor man's GoPro - last summer. I only paid $40 for it, so I am pretty sure it must be Japanese/Chinese/something-ese. If they can sell those that cheaply, how much duty could they be paying? I also have a panasonic 'handy-cam', which records 5 hours of full-HD on a 32GB SDcard. I think I only paid about $100 for that.

I wouldn't have minded, except that, if I hadn't run this test first, I would have ended up screwed on the night! The manual does not exactly make it clear - until you dig in pretty deeply. This limitation *should* be there in big bold letters, right on the page about shooting movies.

When I ran my tests yesterday, I got 16 minutes of full HD, 20-some minutes of 720, and 59 minutes at 640. The book says as an afterthought that it will only record for an hour even at that resolution.

This is going to make my recording somewhat problematic.
The service runs about an hour - but we give a little concert first on handbells. If I record that, then the recording is going to stop part-way through the service.
I know the 2 camcorders will record longer, but I guess I need to check my P&S, which is going to be the 4th string to my fiddle. I need to get very strategic - there is no way I can wander off down the church in the middle, to reset a camera... Hmmm...
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