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Nov 21, 2014 10:21:22   #
I heard that the new 7Dii needs a new update as it won't download off of the card? Did I understand this correctly. ???
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Nov 19, 2014 17:26:45   #
E wrote:
How do I avoid using the filter on the tree? Thank you


Hi check out Topez remask 3. It is designed to make a selection that is precise. It does wonders separating hair from the background. Masking is the way to go.
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Nov 19, 2014 14:20:11   #
deg122 wrote:
Still working and learning. I have a Canon T3i and am getting better. I still have so much trouble with indoor flash shots in general indoor shots in my living room with mostly artificial light. Looking for Speed-light suggestions. I understand if I bounce the light off the white ceiling it might provide softer lighting. But i really don't understand much about the features on a Speedlight attachment or what to look for. I want to purchase something, maybe around $100-$150. What should I look for, if not a Canon brand, then what? I'm attaching a few of my granddaughter. Lighting can be fixed a bit in Lightroom ( attaching the originals before any post processing ), but want a better pic to start with.....Thanks for any and all advice.
Still working and learning. I have a Canon T3i and... (show quote)

I like the first shot where the background is blurred out. I have shot a lot of indoor and it is tricky to say the least. Bouncing the light off of the ceiling/walls is the way to go. But lets face it, to get that perfect shot, you don't have time to do anything fancy. It is that moment that you want to capture. But you can do some pre-setup. For instance, you can shoot next to a window or open door. You can use the adjacent wall to bounce off and get rid of the FLAT look, as light can bend around a face, giving you some nice shadow effects. I am sure you know by now to NEVER shoot straight into a subject, as this will FLATTEN out the light and even cause skin burnouts. I would also suggest using a BRACKET to elevate the flash if you are going to shoot straight on. You don't always have a choice of the background so do as you have done in the first shot and open your lens to get a short DOF. Unfortunately if you are looking for studio quality you will be disappointed as shooting in doors in a living room will only give you snap shot quality. As to speed lights. I would suggest you buy a good one, looking to the future. I use the Canon 580EX. In really dark situations you can ramp the output up 3 stops. Learn to shoot in MANUAL. If not then APERTURE priority, setting the lens to fully open, (use a fixed aperture lens), and setting the ISO as high as you can get without introducing noise. Set the speed light to ETTL & shoot away. In dark environments, distance is prime. Get as close as you can. Light falls off really quickly. I know you want to spend only $100-150, but spend a bit more, looking ahead into the future. As you get better you will be so glad you made the investment. You can also buy used from B&H.
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Nov 19, 2014 13:50:32   #
Cockney wrote:
Thanks David and Amehta I must say flash appeals the most thought I should start with two heads and a soft box plus one umbrella I am using a 7d and thinking of portraiture & still life.


Hi. You should have enough lighting to start. I would use as the KEY light ( main light at camera right), using your soft-box, and use a reflector, on the opposite side of the face, ( I use a sheet of foam core instead of another light). If you are shooting a female its very important to use a hair light. (that is above her head and facing down), using an inexpensive GRID to focus the light so it doesn't spill over the background or front of the face. For men only you can set up a RIM light with a Grid or Sock in front of the beam of light to highlight his jaw. I use seamless paper as a background. ( mostly for corporate shoots). If you use a background keep it plain and simple as not to distract from the subject. A storm gray #70 seamless I use most often. I also use another strobe in back of the subject ( Head & shoulders only) to shine up on the background to cause a HALO effect. Sit your subject at a 45 Degree angle to the camera and the head turned facing the camera. If you use an umbrella as your Key light, be very careful of its hight in respect to the subjects eyes. Umbrellas can be harsh, so be careful. Keep the room as dark as possible so you can adjust for shadows using the modeling lights. This is another reason (aside from heat and expense) I would suggest you use strobes. I hope I have been encouraging and helpful.
PS. Aside from head and shoulder shoots, I would steer away from Fashion/modeling, as there is way too much drama.
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Nov 19, 2014 10:15:01   #
jerryc41 wrote:
I can't believe this has gone on for two pages!


I agree! Some trolls just won't let it die. The question is, Does this help anyone? Is it more about BEING RIGHT?
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Nov 18, 2014 12:25:08   #
jcboy3 wrote:
I'm going to keep it simple this time.

Perhaps you will consider what the Nikon web site says about the NEF format:

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And-Explore/Article/ftlzi4ri/nikon-electronic-format-nef.html

"Exclusive to Nikon cameras, the NEF is Nikon's RAW file format. RAW image files, sometimes referred to as digital negatives, contain all the image information captured by the camera's sensor, along with the image's metadata (the camera's identification and its settings, the lens used and other information). The NEF file is written to the memory card in either an uncompressed or "lossless" compressed form.
The primary benefit of writing images to the memory card in NEF format rather than TIFF or JPEG is that no in-camera processing for white balance, hue, tone and sharpening are applied to the NEF file; rather, those values are retained as instruction sets included in the file. You can change the instruction set as many times as you like without ever disturbing the original image's RAW data. Another benefit of the NEF file is that depending on the camera, it retains 12-bit or 14-bit data, resulting in an image with a far greater tonal range than an eight-bit JPEG or TIFF file.
After-capture processing of the NEF file by Nikon's Capture NX2 software, or other imaging programs, offers greater control over the final image than the processing of a JPEG or a TIFF. After processing, the NEF file can be saved as a TIFF, JPEG or again as a NEF with the addition of any applied Capture NX2 processing saved inside the file as a second or alternate instruction set. As long as the original NEF file is preserved, the "digital negative" remains untouched; processing a NEF file does not alter the original instruction set."

And just one other point. Perhaps WB data stored in the RAW file is non-essential to you. But I do set custom white balance with white or gray cards or ExpoDisc, and the preservation of that data is essential for my RAW data processing. Because the sensor image data is not changed, I need the WB metadata to be preserved and used to correct the image in post processing.
I'm going to keep it simple this time. br br Perh... (show quote)


Phewwww. enough already!! It seems like you being a consultant, perhaps like" Jonathan Gruber" you feel you know more than the rest of us and think we are " STUPID". You just can't let it go. Being right means everything to you even in the face of you being wrong. You are not helping the new-bees with your intellectual ramblings, you in fact are confusing them. I do not think you are capable of "keeping things simple", because you can't resist the opportunity to show how much you think you know. BTW "professor" I don't know how my car is engineered but I certainly can drive it, without knowing all of the technologies that "engineers" know to design it. Leave answering the new-bees questions to us "stupid" ones, we know how to relate to the beginners, since we all were one at one time! If my reply to you seems harsh, It is, but I am sure you have had others do the same. Learn from us, and stop teaching us.
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Nov 15, 2014 20:23:59   #
Gene51 wrote:
Sorry, but there is still material to understand here. You have, despite your best intentions, managed to muddy the waters a bit.

Raw files are proprietary files but they are not image files. You cannot see/print/edit a raw file, but you can view the interpretation of a raw file in the jpg preview, and you use that preview to edit. But in addition to the list of contents you provide, you left out the most important one - it contains the proprietary picture control settings specific to the camera and manufacturer. These are not read by generic raw converters like Lightroom, Capture One, etc, but can be read by the mfgr's raw software.

Bayer is not a sensor, it is a filter that separates light into the three different colors so that it can be interpreted as color when recombined in software and processed into an image file.

White balance is not "saved" in a raw file - you assign the white balance when you process it. The raw file contains only the white balance setting, and will display it when you view the jpg preview, but assigning the white balance in a raw converter is absolute, and not an adjustment to an existing value, hence you change nothing. You assign it, or you can select to keep the value that the camera was set to.

All cameras shoot raw. Nearly all cameras have built in raw conversion to jpg, which they do according to the camera settings at time of capture.

The key and most important feature of raw files is that all image parameters are nondestructively adjustable, with greater range, than anything possible in the camera, and you can do this with no data loss, at a higher bit depth (more accurate colors and smoother tonal and color transitions), with finer detail capture, a much larger color palette, (billions of colors and tones vs 16.7M) and greater dynamic range than is possible with an 8 bit compressed jpeg image.

Technically, jpeg is not an image or a format, but a compression algorithm. You can make exposure adjustments in a raw file before you commit to an image format with far less negative impact than you can to a jpg file, which is hugely destructive. Tiff files are preferable, as they can be 16 bit, large color space (ProPhoto), and far less destructive, primarily because of the greater bit depth and absence of compression. You simply cannot adjust a jpeg to the same degree you can a raw file or even a tiff file and still maintain the same image integrity.

So I will compliment you on attempting to clarify things, but if you are going to do that, please make sure you "own" the material you present. CanonLee was absolutely on target with his commentary, you just wandered off into the forest without your map and compass (or GPS these days). Nothing personal, but it is important to make sure that information presented as fact is in fact accurate.
Sorry, but there is still material to understand h... (show quote)


Thank you Gene. I left CraigsList photo forum, because there were a few "PROFESSORS" that always would find fault with many of the people there. I wonder why these types have a need to prove that they know more than anyone. There are many new-bees that are looking for SIMPLE answers and not a "term paper" I learned by getting simple, uncomplicated answers Thank you again for your corrections. I learned a lot.
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Nov 15, 2014 10:29:10   #
jcboy3 wrote:
Nothing here to "understand" other than you are wrong.

RAW files are camera dependent image file formats that contain minimally processed image sensor data, camera sensor metadata, image metadata, image thumbnail, an optional JPG preview, and the sensor image data (which for the common Bayer sensor is a pattern of two green, one blue, and one red pixels).

Unless the camera can produce a RAW file output, it cannot "shoot in RAW". Smaller cameras usually do not produce a RAW file output, but some do. Many non-DSLR cameras can output RAW files (mirrorless, bridge, and some compact cameras).

Every camera I have seen that can produce a RAW file output can produce a combined RAW+JPG output.

A key advantage of RAW files is that white balance can be changed without degrading image quality (because the color channel data is preserved in the RAW file). Exposure can be changed in RAW or JPG without issue (other than the IQ degradation due to saving JPG files multiple times).

JPG format is NOT a pixel format, it is a compressed format.

Printers can print from a number of image formats; depends upon the printer. But if you are printing from your computer, the printer interface is not based upon JPG. The application you use and the printer driver will convert JPG to whatever format is used by the printer, usually a raster image format.
Nothing here to "understand" other than ... (show quote)

Thank you for you reply. You are technically correct. I was trying to assist a new bee by answering his question as simply as possible in order to avoid a long in depth reply. Some times it is easier to understand if things are not so technical. Thank you for your reply.
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Nov 14, 2014 16:55:35   #
Easyrider wrote:
so can you shoot in tiff and then convert to JPEG vs raw to jpeg


First of all understand that a Raw file is data not pixels. It is information about the image, not a picture file. All camera's shoot in RAW and some of the smaller ones shoot in RAW+ JPEG. ( Only DSLR's can export Raw files, since the smaller ones convert the output to JPEG's). In RAW you can change the image as far as exposure, WB, etc. just by changing the data. Once converted to a JPEG, you now have an image made up of pixels. There is very little changes you can make. A TIFF file saves all of the info. Lets say you are in PS and you have lots of layers and changes you have made, saving a Tiff saves all of your layers and pixel manipulations. JPEG on the other hand compresses the image, throwing away your layers as well as repeated pixels adjacent to each other. You wind up with a smaller file. Printers on the other hand can only print JPEG or sJPEG. RAW files are for post editing and JPEG's are printable files.
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Nov 11, 2014 20:30:07   #
andywilk38 wrote:
When you say 'not instantaneous'.....but for all practical purposes you'd not be embarrassed alongside a client telling them that your D800-size RAW file will be along in just a few more moments, and that you'll just go and put the kettle on! ;)


There is a delay uploading to the ipad. However you can reduce that wait by setting your camera to shoot in RAW+JPEG. set the Jpeg to small. The image you are seeing on the ipad is a jpeg. CamRanger will upload the small jpeg to the ipad.
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Nov 10, 2014 10:24:58   #
[ Craig]I'm going to take photos at a wedding at night, low light, of course, and want to have tack-sharp photos of the bouquet and garter tosses, along with fast moves on the dance floor. I'm shooting with a Canon 5D Mark III, lens is a Canon 70-200, 2.8. If I use flash, do I just use the auto setting on the camera; or if I go to manual, what do you suggest I set shutter speed, f-stop and at? Thank you so much.[/quote]

As to the garter/bouquet toss, I have a trick I use. I tell the bride/groom before the actual toss to pose for the camera as if he is just about to toss the garter, that leaves me time to set up for the catch. I also have a second shooter as well opposite to me to catch the catch LOL . If possible set up at each end of the dance floor off camera speed lights with radio triggers that are faced up to the ceiling to bounce at the mid point.( you can set this up ahead of time) You can also ask if the lights can be turned up for the toss. (Most venues like it dark) Don't place too much importance on the toss as it is not that important to be perfect. Just get the garter/bouquet in the shot. I use manual with the aperture fully open, high ISO, and I look at the shutter speed to make sure it is fast enough to prevent motion blur. I am usually very close to the action in dim light as distance from your subject is a factor. Using a long lens like your 200mm you can't get close. I use 24-105mm for weddings and for formals the 70-200 unless the group shot is very big then back to a wider lens. Some times it's a trade off between motion blur (slow shutter) and graininess (ISO). I know how much motion I can tolerate for the shutter speed. A blurred shot is useless, but noise can be post edited to some degree to make it passible. As to the flash. You need a good flash. I use the 580ex speed light, and I up the output by 2 to 3 stops,bounce off the ceiling if low enough without a defuser. Good luck.
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Nov 8, 2014 14:58:23   #
tdklex wrote:
Thanks, good analogy. I appreciate it Easy to understand now.

HI.. Camera RAW (CR) is data codes ("0 and 1's") not a picture. It is just numbers (digital). You use the digital info to create a file, in any post editing program. The reason you have RAW data is to make changes in the data. Once you have made all of the satisfactory changes, the program converts the data or numbers into a photo. The RAW data you have changed can be re-edited over and over again, unlike JPEG,( editing JPEG is just moving pixels around etc.) simply by changing the data. It is called non-destructive and contains all of the data. A JPEG is now ready to be printed. JPEG compresses and throws out lots of pixels that are the same, but you can always go back to LR and make more adjustments to the RAW file, because the Data is still there. Most printer/labs will ask for a SRGB because it is most compatible with their printers.
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Nov 5, 2014 09:42:50   #
I always use a flash that I bounce off the ceiling, to smooth out the light. As to WB, I always custom set the WB before shooting. If you don't have the time to custom set WB then you can always correct in post editing. Most holiday family shooting doesn't allow time to "custom set WB", and I rely on post editing. You can also put a " gray card" in the room and in the shot to make a more accurate WB in post editing. If possible move your subjects to an open window. Good luck
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Nov 1, 2014 13:20:09   #
I use LR because I go out on shoots and have to select from hundreds of images. I can also use LR for post editing as well. I only use Photoshop CS4 on occasion for pixel manipulation, to add or subtract, touchup etc. If someone takes only a few shots at a time LR is a waste of money. PS elements seems to me to be a good first choice, till you need to upgrade to LR.
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Nov 1, 2014 13:07:18   #
It is all art to me. As photographers we visualize through the viewfinder then tighten up our creative vision with the aid of post editing. Does it really matter if it has been changed out of the camera? For me it is all about the end results. I am an artist, that relies on my computer to refine a composition for painting on canvas. I also have a company that does picture day for youth sports clubs. It's a labor of love. I still have to use LR with those photos. Seems like data manipulation is here to stay.
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