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Nov 15, 2019 23:42:42   #
Kraken wrote:
When President Donald Trump dispatched his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to pressure Ukraine to investigate his political enemies, Marie Yovanovitch stood in the way.

Now the former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine is back — appearing before House impeachment investigators on Friday, when she is expected to tell the public for the first time how she became collateral damage of a Giuliani-backed shadow diplomacy campaign that she later learned was part of Trump’s relentless quest to bend Ukrainian officials to his will.

Yovanovitch, a 30-year veteran of the diplomatic corps, had already been ousted by the time Trump spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25. But the circumstances surrounding her departure in May have been a focal point for House impeachment investigators as they seek evidence that Trump abused his office to extract political benefit from a foreign ally — and steamrolled anyone who might thwart him.


“[Yovanovitch] was kneecapped by the grimy political and financial interests of the president and Mr. Giuliani,” Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said in an interview.

Maloney added that Yovanovitch was a witness to the early efforts by Giuliani “and saw this develop in real time.”

Democrats are seeking to portray Yovanovitch as a victim of Trump and Giuliani’s effort, which she said ran counter to the anti-corruption efforts she and the rest of the State Department were advocating.

Yovanovitch told investigators behind closed doors last month that she felt threatened by Trump — in particular, after she learned that he told Zelensky on the call that she was “going to go through some things.”

She returned to Washington to an outraged diplomatic community, which immediately pressed State Department higher-ups — including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo — to publicly defend her from the Trump-backed attacks, which included allegations that she was disloyal to the president.

Senior diplomats were infuriated when those officials refused to speak up on her behalf, but their anger exploded after the transcript of Trump’s call with Zelensky revealed that he disparaged her directly.

Republicans have defended Trump’s decision to recall Yovanovitch to Washington, asserting that ambassadors and other appointees serve at the pleasure of the president. Some Trump allies have harangued her as an “Obama holdover” who was resistant to the new administration’s abrupt foreign policy shift.

But Yovanovitch has indicated she was concerned about Giuliani’s efforts because they were undermining the anti-corruption initiatives the U.S. was promoting in Ukraine. She expressed particular alarm over Giuliani’s alignment with Yuriy Lutsenko, the former prosecutor general in Ukraine who, the U.S. believed, was corrupt and unreliable.

She also underscored to investigators behind closed doors the extent of Giuliani’s influence, saying she did not believe other officials felt that they could push back against him.

But perhaps more significant than her resistance to Giuliani’s effort is the fact that Yovanovitch — formerly the most senior member of the U.S. diplomatic corps in Europe, and a widely respected figure within the State Department — became a casualty of Trump’s pressure campaign in Ukraine.

Yovanovitch grew emotional as she described her removal during a closed-door deposition last month. She said she was informed of her ouster by Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan. Yovanovitch said Sullivan repeatedly assured her she had done nothing to deserve her fate.

“[H]e repeated … that this was coming from President Trump, this was, you know, final,” she said, adding, “[T]hey were worried that if I wasn't, you know, physically out of Ukraine, that there would be, you know, some sort of public either tweet or something else from the White House. And so this was to make sure that I would be treated with as much respect as possible.”

Yovanovitch’s removal sent shock waves through the Trump administration.

“[T]he dismissal of Ambassador Yovanovitch was a real turning point for us,” Fiona Hill, Trump’s former top Russia adviser on the National Security Council, said during her closed-door deposition with impeachment investigators last month.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/15/trump-yovanovitch-impeachment-070988
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Trump can fire Yovanovitch for picking her nose if he wants to. She serves at his pleasure...and he can fire her at his pleasure.

Yovanovitch testified today in a Congressional hearing in a bogus attempt to impeach President Trump. She didn't listen in on any phone calls. She did not know about any military aid being paused (while the US state department made sure the newly elected Zelensky was someone we wanted to give aid to and that the amount of money was appropriate), and she's pissed that he fired her. Dems attack Trump on a daily...no hourly...basis. The only way Trump can talk to the people who elected him is via social media, since the main stream media are so biased against him. So Trump tweeted that Yovanovitch did a bad job and that the new Ukraine president spoke unfavorably about her. And Schiff blew it big time by reading Trump's tweet defending himself. Trump was only using his First Amendment right to freedom of speech.. Oh, I forgot, Trump is not subject to the Freedom of Speech laws because...well...he is Trump, right Democrats?....so you call it Witness intimidation. How many other tweets that were negative to today's circus hearing are they going to call witness intimidation??

Trump talks to his base and, actually, the whole world,via social media. It's how he won the election. The Deep State wants to suppress him, but they underestimated him from the beginning. And because Trump gets through to regular silent majority Americans, the Deep State is frozen with fear that we, the American people, like what we hear directly from Trump.

So today the Chairman of this committee, Schiff, interrupts Yovanovitch's testimony and reads a tweet from Trump!

And THEN, Schiff accuses Trump of witness intimidation because HE (Schiff) read a tweet???? WHAT?

So now they are going to add to Trump's impeachment offenses that Schiff read a tweet at the hearing that Trump made? Are these people lawyers?

Quigly almost cried at the fact that Yovanovitch had a "stellar" career and she was treated horribly be being fired. Too bad...so sad. Life happens. Yovanovitch was an Obama appointee. She wanted to continue Obama's policies. Trump told her to stop. She thought she was important enough to ignore Trump...but she underestimated him and he fired her.
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Nov 15, 2019 22:59:37   #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Your perspective is flawed, but you are not alone. You may have enough to re-elect him for that coveted 2nd term, if he is not already in jail.

Wishful thinking.
The stock market was higher than it has ever been today, showing that nobody cares about Schiff's shenanigans.... and maybe even is starting to support the man in office who is changing our country to benefit it's citizens!!
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Nov 15, 2019 21:15:09   #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
lol... Do you think she would NEVER find out... in today's quick news cycles? She was made aware of them shortly after they were posted. She even said at the hearing to have found them intimidating. Your level of comprehension is sad. One stable genius might even say you are Low IQ... but not me.

Doesn't matter. Yovanovitch has nothing on him. She didn't hear the phone calls, she didn't know about the military aid, and she was pissed off that she was fired. The Dems kept saying to her that she didn't deserve to be fired after her stellar career....blah, blah, blah. Trump could fire her because he doesn't like her hair color if he wanted to - she serves at his pleasure, and he can fire her - at his pleasure. Many, many people were tweeting about the hearing and Yovanovitch during the hearing....were they trying to intimidate her too?

Trump has been slammed for over three years now by the Dems. He is attacked over and over again. This woman has decided to testify against him - yet Dems don't think he has a right to defend himself.

Americans are now seeing first hand how the deranged, hateful Dems are behaving. It's not pretty, and this is infuriating a LOT of people who had no idea how disingenuous the Dems are being. Very, very bad for their party, IMO.
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Nov 15, 2019 03:00:34   #
It's all about the sun, which has a lot more influence on Earth's weather than man ever has...or ever will have.

Here's an interesting article about solar activity affecting Earth's climate:
https://www.livescience.com/61716-sun-cooling-global-warming.html

Snips from the article:

"The sun may be dimming, temporarily. Don't panic; Earth is not going to freeze over. But will the resulting cooling put a dent in the global warming trend?

A periodic solar event called a "grand minimum" could overtake the sun perhaps as soon as 2020 and lasting through 2070, resulting in diminished magnetism, infrequent sunspot production and less ultraviolet (UV) radiation reaching Earth — all bringing a cooler period to the planet that may span 50 years.

Sunspots, which appear as dark patches on the solar surface, form where the sun's magnetic field is unusually strong, and the number of sunspots waxes and wanes in a cycle that lasts about 11 years, fueled by fluctuations in the sun's magnetic field

....Sunspot activity was high in 2014 and has been dipping ever since, as the sun moves toward the low end of its 11-year cycle, known as the solar minimum, NASA reported in June 2017."

...Scientists have estimated how intense such an event might be, by analyzing close to 20 years of data recording radiation output from stars that follow cycles similar to that of our sun.....The study's findings will help scientists create more accurate climate model simulations, to improve their understanding of the complex interplay between solar activity and climate on Earth.
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Nov 15, 2019 01:31:56   #
Texcaster wrote:
It's obvious real judgments by a real judge in a real court doesn't phase you.

"Our eyes glaze over reading this stuff because…well, it’s Donald Trump. But that’s only because our sense of moral outrage has become deadened by his behavior. Try, if you can, to imagine that Barack Obama had raised money for veterans only to spend it on a giant portrait of himself and a bunch of sports memorabilia. It would have singlehandedly destroyed his presidency and would likely have forced his resignation. George W. Bush was certainly no saint, and his administration was guilty of misdeeds of horrendous consequence. But he would never have been so tawdry and venal as to steal money from veterans for such things. If he had, it would likely have ended his presidency. Same for Clinton, Bush Senior, Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter. None of them would have survived such a revelation.

But in this funhouse horror of an administration, the news that the President of the United States was forced by a judge to repay $2 million to real charities because of these grifter scams was just another Thursday. It wasn’t even the top headline of the day."
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Your eyes are glazed over until you all find something you can throw at the wall to see if it sticks. Your funhouse of TDS'ers makes all of you look like a bunch of pathetic, hysterical Democrats in suits running around in circles trying for the umpteenth time to "get rid of" Trump.


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Nov 12, 2019 01:34:00   #
BigWahoo wrote:
"The president admitted he had used funds raised by the Donald J. Trump Foundation to promote his campaign and pay business debts.

Among Mr. Trump’s admissions in court papers:

The charity gave his campaign complete control over disbursing the $2.8 million that the foundation had raised at a fund-raiser for veterans in Iowa in January 2016, only days before the state’s presidential nominating caucuses.

The fund-raiser, he acknowledged, was in fact a campaign event. "

https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/judge-orders-trump-to-pay-2m-for-charity-foundation-misuse
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A drop in the bucket for him. Think about it. He was scouting, and it didn't pan out. Too bad, so sad. He paid it.

NOT IMPEACHABLE.... Next?
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Nov 12, 2019 01:12:49   #
RixPix wrote:
This is horrible

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/11/11/no-other-president-would-have-survived-defrauding-veterans-charities/

Doesn't it phase you that Trump donates all of his salary to charities like the Veterans, kids with cancer and restoring state parks that need renovations? Oh, yeah, he donated one of his quarter salaries to making sure the Martin Luther King monument, that was trashed, was renovated.

Americans are now able to look beyond fake sources like the washington monthly now. Time to catch up, Rix, things are changing. The internet is too big to be controlled by Soros, et al. Trump knows it, too.

MSM is only a few sources of (fake) info. The internet is thousands of web sites of information and now how Americans get to the truth.
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Nov 12, 2019 01:07:43   #
double post.
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Nov 11, 2019 23:40:34   #
pendennis wrote:
I tend to go with classical music that pleases my ears. So, I never really developed a liking for a particular composer. I love Dvorak's 9th, and while extremely complicated, Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto #1.

They emerged in the 1970's as a rock group; but Steely Dan (Walt Becker and Don Fagen) wrote some of the most complicated lyrics and melodies I've ever heard, and now you'd be hard pressed to define them as Rock. In the 70's, I just enjoyed the total package, and never tried to make sense of the lyrics (Rikki, Don't Lose That Number, among others). A couple of years ago, there was a special run on AXS TV. They showed just how some of their tracks were brought together, and how complex they were.

A few reviewers have compared Don Fagen to composers such as Irving Berlin and Cole Porter.
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I love songs that have lyrics that tell a story. Paul Simon. Leonard Cohen (although his lyrics are more symbolic poetry), Eric Clapton, etc. But I've always wondered if any of the classical composers ever thought of putting words to their beautiful music. I know Mozart wrote simple songs for his wife to play so they could "share" music together. I think words might have "changed" their music...but not sure. Words might have "cheapened" the sound of the maestros??
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Nov 11, 2019 23:28:41   #
pendennis wrote:
I tend to go with classical music that pleases my ears. So, I never really developed a liking for a particular composer. I love Dvorak's 9th, and while extremely complicated, Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto #1.

They emerged in the 1970's as a rock group; but Steely Dan (Walt Becker and Don Fagen) wrote some of the most complicated lyrics and melodies I've ever heard, and now you'd be hard pressed to define them as Rock. In the 70's, I just enjoyed the total package, and never tried to make sense of the lyrics (Rikki, Don't Lose That Number, among others). A couple of years ago, there was a special run on AXS TV. They showed just how some of their tracks were brought together, and how complex they were.

A few reviewers have compared Don Fagen to composers such as Irving Berlin and Cole Porter.
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Thanks! Will listen to them all. Love Steely Dan (Katy Lied/Bad Sneakers one of my favorite songs)

I agree re Irving Berlin and Cole Porter!!
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Nov 11, 2019 23:20:19   #
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drainbamage wrote:
Do we have composers like this today? I can only listen to one or two of Bach's pieces at once...

Wow! I can still only manage one at a time😊


LOL! I said that wrong! Imagine playing two of his songs at one time!!! I meant I can only listen to one or two of his pieces in one sitting - after that he gets too "complex" and I have to take a break.

Though now that you pose that scenario, I might drum up the courage some day to try to play two of his pieces at once and see what it does to my brain!
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Nov 11, 2019 23:16:20   #
lamiaceae wrote:
No, not precisely. But would we want a copy-cat of any sort of music. I'm not the biggest Classical fan but I do have a number of Classical CDs and LPs, including J.S. Bach compositions. Bach is probably my favorite if not most recognized Baroque composer. I especially like the music he wrote for Organ, Lute music transcribed for Guitar, ensemble, Concerto and other music he wrote. Though I am not so sure I would describe it as complicated in the sense of later "classical" styles. My understanding is you can turn Bach sheet music up-side-down and it will still make sense when played. Complicated music to my ear from the technical performance standpoint would be music composed by Thelonious Monk, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, Max Roach, and Duke Ellington. Jazz players and composers. From the Rock world, some Frank Zappa music was intricate, especially from a rhythm point of view. I'm pretty much a fan of every type of music. Classical guitar to Punk Rock. About the only thing that does not turn me on is Country-Western and Rap. Also much of today's Vocal Pop bores me to death. I have a very eclectic collection of recorded music, including such oddities as Khmer (Cambodian) Pop and Traditional Music.
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Interesting synopsis. I, too, like Bach more for some reason. Pediatricians say Bach soothes babies and his complex mathematical style of composition is "brain exercise" for babies. Studies, they say, have shown that babies get excited and try to move to his music more than other composers. Who knows - it makes sense to me.
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Nov 11, 2019 23:13:00   #
markngolf wrote:
Not exactly like Bach, but quite a few during the Baroque period wrote compositions with similar styles. Vivaldi, Handel, Albinoni, to name a few.
Here's sample. (above attached file)
Mark

Thanks! Very interesting. More to listen to!
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Nov 9, 2019 00:33:52   #
Do we have composers like this today? I can only listen to one or two of Bach's pieces at once, they are so complicated, but I always crave his music after a while. I don't know of anyone today who makes this kind of music. This is a good clear recording of a lot of his music. A lot of people play his music, but I don't know anyone who composes like this. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW4ooLi1yxE
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Nov 2, 2019 23:37:40   #
philo wrote:
she wants tax upon more tax. Just because you have all this free insurance doesn't mean that you will be able to get medical care. Heck it is going to be the the VA; wait six months before you can be seen.
I'm so glad that i'm 84.

From the genius freshman congresswoman who pushed Amazon away! LOL!
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