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Jun 4, 2018 13:08:35   #
Steve Perry wrote:
I think both can be learned and combined. To say that artistic talent in basically something you're born with and imply that it can't be developed seems like an excuse from someone who doesn't want to spend time developing their artistic side. They have schools for art that literally teach people to be better artists.

Sure, some people have a knack for art - although there are also those who have a knack for technology as well.


Hi Steve... reading about creativity, I found that creativity is high in childhood and with schooling, creativity is diminished, and learning is tightly monitored with tests... This is evident when seeing that grownups draw like children....Furthermore, more and more schools downplay or eliminate art classes.. I am not sure you can recapture artistic talent in adults that have been schooled and in the business world, working for a living....
I have seen paintings by adults that attended continuing education classes, only to see they can only copy what the instructor shows them, & it looks like middle school art...
The inherent creativity you are born with is more like, what I experienced, that is, the passion for creating... Without the inner motivation to do creative things, there will be little effort and passion...
At age 11 I was way ahead of my classmates as far as my art work... I was way past stick figures and was coloring in shading and shadows & perspective... I do feel that some of us are born with inherent creative talents, but not all have had the opportunity to develop them... I developed them all on my own.. My son is a pastry chef that does remarkably creative chocolate sculptures & cakes.. I feel strongly that it has to do with genes..
Anyway, creative talents are different from learned skills.. Further more, I do feel that, photography is an attempt to capture with a camera beauty and drama, & an outlet to express creativity.. Not all can master painting or other mediums, where a camera can..
I encourage everyone to continue to dig deeper and find your creativity...
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Jun 3, 2018 21:53:23   #
Gene51 wrote:
I was not impressed with th AutoHDR feature on my RX10, and there is only so much you can do to tweak it. Even with a exposure spread of 6 stops, the highlights were too bright, and the shadows were quite noisy, color balance was all over the map, and any attempt to fix the shadows and white balance instantly posterized with the slightest adjustment. I got considerably better results with a two shot manual HDR, shot as raw, and merged in Lightroom. It reminded me of the reason I don't waste my time shooting jpegs. Too much work, and the results were underwhelming.
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Hi Gene.. AutoHDR in JPEG only is a red flag for me.. I just don't work with JPEG. I have used JPEG shooting a soccer game under the lights.. The reason I shot it in JPEG was to speed up the uploading buffer... Other than that I don't use JPEG for shooting..
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Jun 3, 2018 19:26:00   #
Peterff wrote:
Is that exactly what happens? There is definitely information being lost since the JPEG standard in common usage is lossy compression, but is it the number of the pixels or the quality of the pixels? Is it not possible that the resolution remains constant, say 1024 by 768, yet a highly compressed and repeatedly compressed image may retain resolution but lose quality?

I think that you'll find that the resolution of the images below are identical, 1024 x 768, but the difference is in JPEG compression quality, from maximum quality (minimum compression) to minimum quality (maximum compression). This was one single iteration. Even at minimum compression levels there will be degradation with every iterative save.
Is that exactly what happens? There is definitely... (show quote)


Image quality is independent of size & is compression. Compression has less pixels. I think we are saying the same thing?
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Jun 3, 2018 15:53:37   #
hanspable wrote:
Why do I gain pixels after converting from raw to jpeg. Win 10 camera Oly em10 Lens 75-300 Zuiko. Pic taken thru window across the street. Pic manipulated in Adobe elements 13. your opinion please.


Raw is data (code numbers) not pixels (a picture).... Raw contains all of the data from the sensor..... JPEG is the actual picture in pixels that are created by the RAW data.... JPEG, is compressed, that means it throws out pixels that are the same to make the file "smaller" not larger... When you throw away pixels you have less pixels....Further more if you edit a JPEG, you compress the file even more when you save your edits, resulting in a lower resolution ( less pixels).
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Jun 3, 2018 15:45:09   #
Getting exposure right is a matter of getting it in the "ball park", which a histogram will show you.. Its more about knowing how to interpret what the histogram is telling you. If I'm in an environment & not sure of my exposure, I will bracket.. There is no other way to tell what your exposure looks like but in playback histogram mode. PP will correct exposure to your liking, so its only important to get it close when shooting...
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Jun 3, 2018 15:34:43   #
kennmurrah wrote:
IMHO, a well-designed course of study would emphasize art and composition and general principles of design and color. Maybe a solid technical background like The Manual of Photography, Tenth Edition 10th Edition by Elizabeth Allen to help understand technologies of the future.

Cameras have changed but the basic principles of lighting and composition have not.


Ken... what in your opinion would be a well-designed course. Seems like an art school might be more beneficial, then learning photography history, 4x5 cameras, film, lab development, without any business info, as how to make a career out of photography, or starting up your own business.. Just how valuable is a certificate to an employer????
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Jun 3, 2018 15:29:11   #
Peterff wrote:
As to whether you feel the degree has no value, you clearly use what you learned. That piece of paper may not mean much to you, all it really shows is that you completed the course to a required standard and graduated. The real value is in what you learned and the experiences, but having a degree sometimes stops people slamming the door in your face. People do care about certifications, and that piece of 'worthless' paper is more valuable than you think. It may not have been your experience, but for many people who don't have a degree it makes getting a job and building a career much harder than for those that have that little ticket, it's simply a required check box item in many employment situations. I have a good friend who never got a degree, she has worked for me or with me in several situations, and she's better than quite a few people with a degree, but she does get denied from being considered for positions simply though the lack of that 'worthless' piece of paper. It's been a life long frustration for her.
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I own my photography business, and a degree or certificate is meaningless to me as an employer... I prefer someone that has a passion for photography and only knows the basics, & most important has not created any bad habits that are hard to retrain.... I prefer to train my employees to my standards, not some class or college... Its amazing how some schools still teach film and development, & history of photography. It is also amazing how little some graduates of a photography college know on a practical level. Actually what they do know has no practical use in the real world of photography.. I speak as an employer.. I have hired a women that had no understanding of how to take pictures.. It took a few sit downs & she is a valued photographer, always following my procedures and has a gifted eye and attitude with people...
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Jun 3, 2018 15:10:49   #
thephotoman wrote:
CanonLee, there are 2 photomans in this dialogue. One, the op, is Fotoman150. The other is me spelled Potoman. I believe your post was referring to Fotoman150. School will guide one to think of composition, lighting and pp. Yes, there are some very talented photoghers who never got a degree. I know some attend workshops in a specific area of interest. So, they also receive help in upgrading their skills.


thanks for the heads up
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Jun 3, 2018 12:17:46   #
Indiana wrote:
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Jun 3, 2018 12:11:57   #
Indiana wrote:
Dilly Dilly


?????? dilly dilly????
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Jun 3, 2018 12:10:25   #
Guyserman wrote:
I have used three shot bracketing on occasion but when shooting people hand held it just doesn't work for me. I don't have any of those high-powered HDR programs and Photoshop Elements does not do a very good job aligning the images. Sometimes I use fill flash but I like to do it the way I do for the best window results.


First of all you need a good tripod to take HDR.. Each image has to be aligned... For only $10.00 per month, you can download Adobe CC (creative cloud), and get LightRoom and Photoshop... LR will have HDR and merges.....
If you really want to do HDR, you will need to spend a few bucks...
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Jun 3, 2018 11:48:15   #
fotoman150 wrote:
Well I had no business in a basic photography class. But it is not good if the basic photo instructor doesn't know what a crop sensor is. I'm not bragging bout something so basic.

No I don't need to be validated by others. All I'm interested is learnig as much as i can. In the past I always felt like my pictures that turned out good were accidents. This was before I learned to control the camera in maual. Now I can truly say that i can MAKE good shots come out.

Now I want to make EXCEPTIONAL photos. I'm tired of being just another photographer. I want to be the best I can be and I'm nowhere near that now.

Most of the time I feel like I'm flying by the seat of my pants because I still have to think about settings on the camera. Photography has never felt like I have a good grasp about what i'm doing. I know the basics but I want to be all over this thing. I want to drag everything out of a shot that it can provide. I want to be an expert. I want to know what all the terminology is in a large color management book. I want to be able to write my own book on color management
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Photoman.. "Now I want to make EXCEPTIONAL photos". After you know the basics of how a camera works, comes the real test of "making EXCEPTIONAL photos, its called talent... You can know all about cameras even engineering knowledge and if you don't have talent you pictures will always be mundane. However, If you just know the basics and have a creative eye you can produce above average photos.... I don't know everything about cameras, but I have an art background that others get excited about.. I capture that something special, character, interest, I tell the story, but not all of it, leaving the viewer free to add their perception... Maybe you need to take an art course Photoman.... Learn what composition is, texture interests, shading, highlights, cropping, and so on... Its the content of the picture not the perfect camera settings... Some famous painters do not paint well but are famous for their colors and shapes... Did you know that Van Gogh, "Van Gogh only sold one painting during his lifetime Red Vineyard at Arles".
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Jun 3, 2018 11:30:07   #
SharpShooter wrote:
Lee, nothing wrong with an apprenticeship. Most trades are learned by 5-7 years of apprenticeship. Then honed for many years more, all the while being paid.
Let’s not forget that at any reputable college, ALL of the professors are not only pros, at JC’s they have to have an MFA. For well known college professors think Adams, Lange, White, Cunningham, Weston, and that’s just one school!
Just looking at hundreds of photos for each assignment teaches a lot when they are hand picked for a purpose.
I’m a huge proponent of brick and mortar schools but there not for everyone!
But only one that’s been to photo school knows what is learned!
SS
Lee, nothing wrong with an apprenticeship. Most tr... (show quote)


Hi shooter... I worked, hands on, for a successful studio for 5 yrs, doing remotes, special events, tons of studio work.. I must say I could not have learned what I have learned in a class room filled with other students... Class rooms are for basics, and basics are available on line for free... Its the application of what you learn that creates experience!
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Jun 2, 2018 22:51:33   #
Guyserman wrote:
How about one shot HDR. I take shots of people/events at an Alzheimer care facility with many windows opening to an interior courtyard. I expose for the windows or within one or two stops. I adjust the raw image to have the windows exposed like I want them and save a jpg. I re-adjust the raw image for the rest of the room and save a second jpg. Then in post processing I layer the two images and use masking to show the correctly exposed areas of the two layers. The layers align perfectly since they came from the same raw image. I can hand hold and get good images even of people who may be in motion. It takes some pp but it works for me. It could be used for RE photography by anyone with time on their hands. (I am strictly amateur.)
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Hi Guyseman... I think you should consider bracketing 3 shots..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKxihcKLOwk
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Jun 2, 2018 21:26:05   #
fotoman150 wrote:
Yeah I took a college course as I said in another post and I knew more than the instructor and all I did was annoy him



Well reading your comments, I feel you have a issue with feeling confident. You feel you need others to make you feel "good enough", like a certificate on the wall, or paying out 100k or so just to have a BA after your name.. As you reported, "you knew more than the teacher".. Heres a suggestion, that is more valuable than a certificate or another's assurance,.... Its money... When someone takes money out of their wallet to pay you for your skills, that is a clear indication you are good enough!!!!!!.... Don't compare yourself with others, but have the passion to be the best you can be....
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