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Aug 26, 2022 21:14:36   #
Racmanaz wrote:
Why do you refuse to accept that both parties suck when it comes to taking responsible action on the economy?


No. Both parties suck at cutting spending, which is apparently what you mean by "taking responsible action on the economy". But, like most conservatives, you have no idea what "responsible action on the economy" actually is.
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Aug 26, 2022 21:10:56   #
Racmanaz wrote:
Yup, however the Republicans do have a better policy when it comes to the economy than do the democrats, they just don't seem to have the stomach to apply those policies.


No. Republican policies are dreadful for the economy. They are largely based on supply-side economic --- which has failed miserably every time it's been tried. But it does have one "redeeming" value --- it makes a lot of rich people even richer, so, of course, Republicans are all for it.

SO, let's review the last 34 years:
1988-1992 Bush-41 - Continued Reagan's Supply-side economics. Caused a recession.
1993-2000 Clinton. - Fixed the economy. Longest peace-time economic expansion. Was able to ride out the dotcom bubble without a recession.
2001-2008 Bush-43 - Screwed up Clinton's roaring economy. Brought back supply-side economic. Caused the Great Recession.
2009-2016 Obama - Fixed the economy. Longest peace-time economic expansion (passing Clinton's).
2017-2020 Trump - Screwed up Obama's roaring economy. Brought back supply-side economic. Caused a recession.
2021 - Biden - Fixed the economy. (He still has time to do more)

Now, I said "40 years" and that was only 34, but Reagan is a special case, so we have to deal with him separately.

You may recall back in the 70s, we had the Nuclear Family where the husband worked, and the mother stayed home with the kids. But, by the 90s, to make ends meet, BOTH parents had to work. So, what happened between the 70s & the 90s?? Reaganomics! The single most destructive force in American history. (But it made a lot of rich people even richer, so the GOP loved it!) Economists have described Reaganomics as "a textbook example of how to cause a recession", and sure enough, it caused a recession. Most of the recession hit in Bush's term, but we still had Black Monday right in Reagan's year --- when the DJIA dropped 25% in one day (the equivalent of it dropped 8000pt today). Like Trump, Reagan liked happy headlines today more than planning for the future. When all his economists told him the economy was overheated and was headed for a recession, he just egged it on more. The GOP has been trying to repeat the Reagan model (An actor who could make you believe anything) ever since. And they thought they found their guy in Trump -- a person who made a career convincing people he knew something about business)
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Aug 26, 2022 20:44:37   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Why do you lie?


Why do you refuse to accept the truth?
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Aug 26, 2022 20:44:00   #
dennis2146 wrote:
Holy CRAP!!!! You need to find someone who has time to play your silly ass games. That is not me. May I suggest Shutterlag, DennyT, dirt, mary jane, little boo hoo and of course the little princess. I know they will work hard to shit your preferences but I won't.


No need to get so worked up. You could just admit you can't cite any point in the last 40 years when the GOP was right about the economy.
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Aug 26, 2022 19:43:15   #
dennis2146 wrote:
Now THAT is a wrong answer if I have ever heard one.


Ok, so when exactly has the GOP ever been RIGHT about the economy in the last 40 years?
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Aug 26, 2022 15:56:27   #
jcboy3 wrote:
That depends on what you mean by "paid in".

There are three ways to look at this: raw amounts, inflation-adjusted amounts, and reasonable ROI amounts.

RAW AMOUNT: In this case, just add up your total payments to SS and compare to what you get now. This doesn't take long because it ignores the effect of inflation. In my case, I get all of the money I paid in back in 3 years.


Well, let's see. Currently, I pay 594.34/month (297.17 a paycheck) for SS. According to the Social Security Statement I just got (1-Aug-2022), if I retire at 67, I'll get $3310/month. Doing the math, it takes over 5 1/2 months of my contributions just to pay for one month of my retirement. 27 years of contributions would pay for just 5 years of retirement (except 27 years ago, I made a lot less, and therefore paid less into SS)
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Aug 26, 2022 15:30:50   #
dennis2146 wrote:
Take a look at FJB's Anti Inflation Bill. It will not work, everyone knows it will not work and yet it was passed because it takes America farther down the road to Socialism. The Left doesn't care if it will work or not so long as they can say, as you just dld, Biden did something. It may be stupid, it may be idiotic, it most likely won't work but Biden finally achieved SOMETHING. Good for FJB. BAD for America.


No. Good for America.

It's not "everyone" who knows it "will not work" --- just the right-wing. And I might listen to them-- except for the fact that, for the last 40 years, conservatives have had a 100% perfect record of ALWAYS being wrong about the economy.
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Aug 26, 2022 10:01:42   #
dennis2146 wrote:
OMG!!! You really should pay more attention to the posts before running your mouth in a marathon because you just this moment, LOST. First off, I never said, "I suppose you do not understand the relationship between drug companies & FDA.". I also never dismissed any report you are speaking of. As I recall, that was member, Wilpharm. Check it out. I am correct.


Sorry about that. You replied with such specificity I assumed you were the original poster. You Trumpers speak with one voice; it's hard to tell you apart sometimes.

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Trump scammed NOBODY even though you want us all to believe he did. He was the most transparent President we have had so far, Hell, everything on his mind he tweeted nonstop.


HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa. Keep in mind, this is a man who has fought for SIX YEARS to prevent releasing his tax returns (something every presidential candidate in the last 40 years has done as a matter of course). Sure he tweets a lot. Scam artists always tell stories; that's how they work -- they get you to "trust" them (The "Con" in con-artist is short for "confidence"). (Of course, some of Trump's tweets reflect his oncoming dementia). But he has a phalanx of lawyers to make sure no real information ever comes out.

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And in the case of Biden, he has no mind nothing there at all except empty space.
Actually, Biden is quite brilliant. He just got major legislature passed by making deals with Congress. Trump boasted & bragged but actually got nothing done. Biden knows how to work the levels of power behind the scenes to get things done.
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Aug 26, 2022 09:03:24   #
dennis2146 wrote:
OMG!!! How funny. I have read the reply to you and nothing at all written should have evoked the pitiful answer you came up with. I saw absolutely nothing about anyone not doing their job; nothing about anybody being scammed and most definitely not a word relating to anything Trump. Yet you must have. Isn’t that incredible you saw all of those things that were never there but which would suit your lying corrupt agenda. You must be psychic or more likely psychotic.


Oh, right. I forgot that Conservatives have zero self-awareness, and a complete inability to draw logical conclusions.

So, let's recap:
- You said that Trump was right about Ivermectin. (providing no evidence).
- I said he was wrong, and provided a report by the NIH to back up my statement.
- You dismissed that report with a simple "I suppose you do not understand the relationship between drug companies & FDA." (Again, with no supporting evidence, and even getting the government agency wrong).

So, you just implied that NIH and the Drug companies, instead of doing their jobs (providing useful information, and helpful drugs, respectively), are actually in cahoots to scam us --- But Trump alone is willing to give us the straight info. This is in addition to the long list of groups you must believe are refusing to do their jobs and lying (FBI, CIA, DOJ, Secret Service, approx half the Trump WH staff, tens of thousands of election workers across the country) -- if you continue to believe Trump.

OR -- you could believe what the majority of the voters in the last election realized --- all those people are doing their jobs honorably, AND JUST ONE MAN is trying to scam us: Trump.
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Aug 26, 2022 08:39:37   #
Wyantry wrote:
An obvious deflection of the realities that most recipients of Social Security and Medicare PAID INTO the system much more than they will EVER receive in benefits or payments.


For the first 40-50 years of its existence, most recipients received far more than they paid in.
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Aug 25, 2022 18:25:05   #
wilpharm wrote:
I know a helluva lot of people(including myself & family) who took & will continue to take ivermectin..NONE had side effects..Curren is blowing liberal BS smoke


Taken in appropriately sized doses, it won't hurt you. It just won't help you with covid either.
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Aug 25, 2022 18:22:21   #
wilpharm wrote:
I suppose you do not understand the relationship between drug companies & FDA...do some homework..


Oh, Right.... Because no one in the world actually does their job, and everyone is scamming you --- except Donald Trump!
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Aug 25, 2022 14:12:24   #
wilpharm wrote:
those people probably overdosed..it isa pretty safe drug...safer than dying of covid..


https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/
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Ivermectin has been shown to inhibit replication of SARS-CoV-2 in cell cultures. However, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans.
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Aug 25, 2022 14:09:43   #
dennis2146 wrote:
Many of Trump's ideas have proven to work such as Ivermectin, closing the border as he wanted would have been a HUGE help. But of course you on the Left made fun of Trump's suggestion of Ivermectin and called him a Racist because he wanted to close the border. Biden wanted everyone vaccinated but of course, the evidence shows that vaccinated or not, I have had four shots, I can still get the virus and still pass on the virus, just exactly as if I was one of those who had never been vaccinated. The vaccinations did NOT stop anyone from getting the virus as we were told. That was all just plain bullshit from the Left.
Many of Trump's ideas have proven to work such as ... (show quote)


A lot of Spin there.

Ivermectin has been shown to work against the virus in laboratory studies --- but it would require doses so high they would kill the patient.

And when you say "closing the border as he wanted would have been a HUGE help," implies that we didn't do it. Actually, Trump DID impose his "travel ban". Specifically, the policy prohibited non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled to China within the last two weeks from entering the U.S.

And it WAS racist, because it was targeted only at Chinese nationals. US Citizens were free to travel back & forth to China, bringing the virus with them, as were people throughout Covid-ravaged Europe. An ACTUAL travel ban (prevent anyone coming from an affected area from entering the country) might have helped. But Trump's plan was just an attack on the Chinese.
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Aug 25, 2022 10:02:06   #
Watosh wrote:
It will be ruled unconstitutional after the Nov. elections by the Supreme Court. If he had done this
back when he first mentioned it, the court would have already dealt with it. Timing is everything.
We do not have a president. The country is being run by a Cabal. The person in the office of the
president doesn't even know where he is half the time.


Funny how you can't decide if Biden is incompetent or a master strategist.

Biden's action was completely legal. The law (passed under Trump) gave the president wide-reaching powers to deal with student loans. Republicans are just upset that power was passed to a democratic president.
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