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Nov 6, 2013 09:10:27 #

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I't not the camera it's the photographer that counts

Flipper2012 wrote:

come on folks we all know it we all could afford the best for the photography we like to take We would have the best No questions asked There is a good reason why manufactures keep improving their equipment. I will have surgery done to me anytime with the new style equipment . I'll be home taking photo's while your still recovering from the old style surgery

Yes. To make more money. Do we really believe that their incremental improvements and carefully staged release dates are for any other reason?

Nov 6, 2013 09:01:14 #

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I't not the camera it's the photographer that counts

Rather have an MD perform an operation on me with a kitchen knife than a cook with a scalpel.

We have a term in the cooking field: "shoemaker". We call a person (in the business) who cannot cook a shoemaker. A poseur.

Lot's of shoemakers out there lugging around FF cameras and 500mm lenses at the county fairs.

Nov 6, 2013 08:55:06 #

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I't not the camera it's the photographer that counts

hb3 wrote:

Seems to me that you are simply stating the obvious???

Right. If the statement was merely "better tools in the hands of more experienced (and talented) people will generate better results", then no reason to argue with that. Except that's not really the question that the OP is asking (or the point he is making). It's this.

"Then WHY do we say that it's not the camera but the photographer? Is it because photography is subjective or is it because we want to pass for good photographer while using imperfect if not shitty cameras?"

And that is a loaded question.

Nov 6, 2013 08:12:46 #

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I't not the camera it's the photographer that counts

I can't help it, I love cooking analogies, so one more:

The only tools a cook really needs to do just about anything is one good (not fancy or expensive) chef's knife, a stone, a steel, a cutting board, a simple pan (or a pot or a grill or an oven), a spoon and some sort of heat. In fact, the fanciest, most expensive, most up to date equipment is usually found in the chain restaurants, especially fast (mediocre) food.

Nov 6, 2013 08:07:49 #

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I't not the camera it's the photographer that counts

charryl wrote:

Have to jump in on this one....I can think of a profession where the least expensive or the most expensive tool makes no difference in terms of final qualitynofmthe product. Plus I believe it is closer to being analogous that a car mechanic. And that is a writer. Makes no difference if it is a pencil or a computer upon the quality of the output but that quality does depend upon both an innate talent as well as a trained talent. I think photography is very similar.

Excellent point. You could even argue that technology has diminished the quality of writing. Before the days of the word processor it really took a lot of time to put out 500 plus pages of boring beach drivel. Whatever happened to the brevity of Hemmingway, Chandler, John D. MacDonald and early Elmore Leonard?

Hmm, maybe the same thing can be said for digital photography.

Nov 6, 2013 07:01:29 #

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Eggs and Bacon for breakfast...scientists are now catching up.

rpavich wrote:

Just for anyone who wants to see something interesting about eating saturated fat and the debunked link to Cholestrol and heart disease...

Here is today's Business Insider:

http://www.businessinsider.com/our-war-on-fat-was-a-huge-mistake-graphs-2013-11

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Nov 6, 2013 07:01:08 #

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Eggs and Bacon for breakfast...scientists are now catching up.

sourdough58 wrote:

Have you ever seen a fat coyote ? proberly not , and for you farmers what do you feed a cow or pig when you want to fatten it up ? GRAIN / CARBS

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Nov 6, 2013 06:48:47 #

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I't not the camera it's the photographer that counts

jerryc41 wrote:

All things being equal, a better camera will give you a better picture. Can an expert take a good picture with a cheap camera? Sure. Can a newcomer produce garbage with a great camera? Sure.

If you want to get good images, buy a good camera, good lenses, and learn how to take good pictures. It's a combination of you and your equipment that produces the results.

But what's a better camera? My old Canon Ftb or a new 60D? (or is that the new D77070D?) Which one will take better pictures?

The answer is too subjective, too many variables, often a matter of apples vs oranges and apparently driven by a combination of advertising campaigns and disposable personal incomes. I think this is one reason why phone cameras are catching on and why some shoot with toy cameras: what can you do with what you've got?

It's like that show, "Chopped". Except all you're equipment is your grandmother's hand-me-downs. Can you still cook?

Nov 6, 2013 06:24:13 #

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I't not the camera it's the photographer that counts

Sorry, but I think the analogy is lacking. Depends upon your tastes. The open grill or the saute' pan? Steak or liver and onions?

Put an amatuer in my kitchen, 9 times out of 10, you'll get scrambled eggs and toast. Put an IMAGINATIVE and talented amateur in there, look out. Put an obsessed foodie in there, surrounded by pro equipment and armed with volumes of Bon Appetite...boring.

I don't need expensive knives or the latest prep gadget to put out consistently good meals. But I need to know the ingredients and I need to know the science, if intuitively.

And yeah, I get paid to cook.

Nov 5, 2013 09:19:58 #

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Why always a new SLR?

Cdouthitt wrote:

Must be commercial real estate...
OMD EM1 with 300mm f2.8. Pretty sure it's like a black hole sucking all the light out of the universe. 112mm diameter

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Nov 5, 2013 08:00:04 #

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Why always a new SLR?

Patw28 wrote:

I'm simply poleaxed by the capabilities of my white page Kindle!
(88 volumes on board).
Howsomever . . . . I still purr at the tactile feel of the printed page.
It's the inexpressables that count.

Good point. You can't discount the power of aesthetics, the way the camera looks, feels in the hand, evokes a sense of nostalgia, a time when tools were hand made to precision tolerances. Which is interesting because, although they are marginally less mechanical than their DSLR competition, few cameras today seem to accomplish that more than the OMD-EM5 or the Fuji X100. Or take better pictures.

Nov 5, 2013 06:08:59 #

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Why always a new SLR?

Cdouthitt wrote:

Hate to burst your bubble...but...
http://www.jaydickman.net/Information/Bio/1/

Bio photo is em5 and 75mm...a killer combo...now even better on the em1.

Pulitzer and National Geo...I'd say he's legit...as are m4/3 cameras.

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Nov 2, 2013 07:55:38 #

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Linda From Maine wrote:

Are you familiar with the button on the side/front that will zoom you wide so you can re-acquire a subject (such as a moving bird)? It's really handy! You hold the button down and it will back off to wide angle, then when you release the button the camera instantly zooms to the focal length you had it at initially.

Now THAT is a neat function.

Nov 2, 2013 07:52:00 #

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Got an old Vivitar 283 with the VP-1 variable power control...the sun killer.

Sorry. Just read the link. My bad.

Nov 2, 2013 07:45:14 #

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Got an old Vivitar 283 with the VP-1 variable power control...the sun killer.

Can the camera handle that flash's trigger voltage safely? I have a couple but so far have only used them wirelessly off camera. Haven't tried anything other than the built in flash with the FUJI.

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