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Mar 1, 2019 11:20:29   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Thank you. I would hate to see the thread go into 20 pages only to find out the OP was just curious, which is what he said to begin with.

Dennis


Curious about what? The OP might just as well ask, "has anyone bought a camera with a primarily black body" Or "Has any one been outdoors in a place where the air has oxygen?"

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Mar 1, 2019 11:36:08   #
BebuLamar
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Curious about what? The OP might just as well ask, "has anyone bought a camera with a primarily black body" Or "Has any one been outdoors in a place where the air has oxygen?"


Not the same type of question. It's more like has anyone bought a camera recently that is not black or "has you been where the air has no oxygen. Buying a camera in recent time the chances of it made in Japan isn't common.

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Mar 1, 2019 12:23:52   #
David C.
 
Yes, Many Japanese brands and some that were the collaborations of German and Japanese manufactures.
My collection includes: Topcon, Leotax's, Canon's, Yashica Electro 35 and my favorite the Leica IIIc, all range finders. The SLR's include: Topcon B & C, R, RE, D and DM, Pentax K1000, Minolta XE7, Nikon FG, F and Nikkormat FTN but my favorites include the Topcon RE, Exakta 500, and Leica R3. Much of my camera use was in the military and what was issued which led me to try brands in my effort to find the best in my opinion. The in hand feel, weight and function location were factors, I often shared my comments with Military departments, friends and photography enthusiast and sometimes with club members and collectors. I have used and owned many other Japanese brands but do not have them in my present collection. David C.

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Mar 1, 2019 12:40:41   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
I have been in the Quality Improvement field for years, working for a number of manufacturers who use China (and Mexico, the Phillipines, etc.) for production. I've been to Chinese and Mexican plants.
China is notorious for poor quality, conforming to specifications, doing end-runs around requirements, etc. because it's cheaper for them.
Quality of goods made anywhere is entirely dependent on the company whose name is on the product.
I have personally observed:
1. Companies who don't care about quality as long as it's cheap to make.
2. Companies who lie about conformance to standards.
3. Companies who are willing to accept very high rejection rates on Chinese-made product, since the labor costs saved outweigh cost of rejected materials.
4. Companies who closely monitor their Chinese vendors to ensure what is being made meets required standards.
5. Companies that set up their own plants in China, fully under their control of manufacturing and inspection processes, just as they would if made in USA.

Unfortunately, it can be hard to know if you are buying from a 1,2,3, or a 4-5.

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Mar 1, 2019 13:26:50   #
Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Supposedly, the location doesn't really matter since it's the same company, same design, same type of production equipment, and same worker training. However, I wonder how true that is. My son and I bought new Honda Fits in 2014. It was a new design, and they were made in Mexico. Both cars have had more than their share of trouble - more than I had with thirty-four years of Civic ownership. Was it a bad design by Honda? Did they source bad parts? Was worker training insufficient?

The Mexican factory was flooded in June when heavy rain led to the releasing of water from a reservoir. Production was stopped for months. Couldn't Honda have planned the location of the factory better?

When a product is less than perfect, there is a lot of blame to go around, so pinning it on any one source can be impossible. Although, as Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here."
Supposedly, the location doesn't really matter sin... (show quote)

Which may be one reason why Volkswagens have been rather unreliable. Complicated German design, combined with spotty Mexican quality control is the perfect storm for defects

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Mar 1, 2019 13:37:53   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
nadelewitz wrote:
I have been in the Quality Improvement field for years, working for a number of manufacturers who use China (and Mexico, the Phillipines, etc.) for production. I've been to Chinese and Mexican plants.
China is notorious for poor quality, conforming to specifications, doing end-runs around requirements, etc. because it's cheaper for them.
Quality of goods made anywhere is entirely dependent on the company whose name is on the product.
I have personally observed:
1. Companies who don't care about quality as long as it's cheap to make.
2. Companies who lie about conformance to standards.
3. Companies who are willing to accept very high rejection rates on Chinese-made product, since the labor costs saved outweigh cost of rejected materials.
4. Companies who closely monitor their Chinese vendors to ensure what is being made meets required standards.
5. Companies that set up their own plants in China, fully under their control of manufacturing and inspection processes, just as they would if made in USA.

Unfortunately, it can be hard to know if you are buying from a 1,2,3, or a 4-5.
I have been in the Quality Improvement field for y... (show quote)


One of my favorite cartoons showed a picture of a man standing outside a window. There was a hose going into the window. The caption read "Carpet Cleaning by the lowest bidder" Of course the real question was "Who wrote the specs?"

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Mar 1, 2019 14:08:42   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
User ID wrote:
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In some countries workers show up stoned.


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?????
In the USA workers show up stoned. And drunk. What's that have to do with this topic?

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Mar 1, 2019 14:12:43   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
dsmeltz wrote:
One of my favorite cartoons showed a picture of a man standing outside a window. There was a hose going into the window. The caption read "Carpet Cleaning by the lowest bidder" Of course the real question was "Who wrote the specs?"


It's not just "who wrote the specs", but "who is ensuring that the specs are being adhered to".

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Mar 1, 2019 14:16:37   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
nadelewitz wrote:
?????
In the USA workers show up stoned. And drunk. What's that have to do with this topic?


Can't argue with that.

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Mar 1, 2019 14:20:43   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
nadelewitz wrote:
It's not just "who wrote the specs", but "who is ensuring that the specs are being adhered to".


True.

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Mar 1, 2019 14:41:23   #
BebuLamar
 
nadelewitz wrote:
It's not just "who wrote the specs", but "who is ensuring that the specs are being adhered to".


There are 2 ways to adhere to the specs.
First is to make products that almost all of them are within specs.
Second is to make a lot of products but throw away a lot of them that do not meet the specs.

The first case is more desirable I mean in the customer point of view.

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Mar 1, 2019 16:41:04   #
spaghetti boy Loc: EVERETT , WASHINGTON
 
Now even my shaver made in Holland is now made in China and is junk!

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Mar 1, 2019 16:52:15   #
BebuLamar
 
Bipod wrote:
Nikon and Fuji -- sounds about right.

I read someowhere that the Canon EOS 5D was assembled in Japan, and also
that Canon is planning to shift production for some other models from China
to Japan sometime this year,

What about Sony, Panasonic, Pentax or Olympus?


Sony mostly made in Indonesia.
Panasonic are made in China now. May be only a few high end made in Japan.
Pentax are made in the Philipines.
Olympus are made in Vietnam.
Fuji used to make the cameras in Japan but the XT-3 is made in China.

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Mar 1, 2019 18:07:40   #
spaghetti boy Loc: EVERETT , WASHINGTON
 
I never went to work stoned so were to you get that crap!

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Mar 1, 2019 18:18:39   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
spaghetti boy wrote:
I never went to work stoned so were to you get that crap!


Doesn’t erase the fact that many do. Don’t be so thin skinned.

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