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Artificial Intelligence!!! ... In a CAMERA, no less!!! How soon before others follow Oly's lead?
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Feb 18, 2019 23:38:47   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
MrBob wrote:
I would buy one in a heartbeat if I had the bucks; don't really care if I need it or not ! I think Olympus technology is great... they are always on the edge. Of course that is just the collector part of me. Contrary to popular belief it is not their Flagship model or the next iteration of the M1.


It is a flagship model. Just like the 1dx and D5

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Feb 18, 2019 23:48:56   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Bipod wrote:
Now pray tell: how does it distinguish between one of a bird inflight and a shuttlecock in flight?
The former is an example of wildlife photography, the latter of sports photography--quite different.

We use all our knowledge to tell the difference -- we know that things that eat are animals, and
that things that have feathers are birds. We know that birds chirp. and make messes on cars.
But the camera just sees patterns of light.

This is the problem of "unrestricted knowledge domain". One can photograph....anything.
The camera sees only patterns of color -- in general it doesn't know what it is looking at.
If you try to write an algorithm to recognize "restaurants", you will discover that a McDonalds
looks a lot like a Jiffy Lube, and Antoine's looks nothing like either.

It helps that we've seen thousands of restaurants before, and know all he different kinds (drive-throughs
fast food, diners, cafes, pizza parlors, white tablecloth joints, etc). This vast amount of knowledge allows
us to decide which features are significant and which aren't in deciding whether something is a restaurant.

There is far too much information in 24 MP for even a super computer to record statistics on
every pixel. Some programmer has to decide what the camera will track--- limit the number of
independent variables . For a particular task --- recognizing letters of the alphabet (OCR) this is
possible (though not with far more errors than a human would make). In general, its an
unsolved problem.

So what about these amazingly smart computers?

After ten years of development and millions of dollars, IBM was finally able to build a specialized
roomful of computers that could beat one middle-aged man at a board game. Board games are a
perfect example of a limited domain: nothing matters in chess except the movement of the pieces
and the rules of the game.

In truth there has been very little progress in AI in recent years. But computers have gotten faster
and RAM and off-line storage have gotten cheaper, which looks like progress, but isn't. Board
games and quiz shows are nothing the decisions a photographer has to make.

ANY device can claim to use AI. There is no accepted definitiion of intelligence except "what
IQ tests measure". So far, no computer has completed an IQ test above idiot level.

Computers have a really difficult time answering questions such as "Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?"
You know, becuase you understand how English possives (genetives) work, that someone's tomb
is where they are buried, and that "Grant" is the name of a person.

You know the difference between "Time flies like an arrow" and "Fruit flies like a banana" --
but the syntax in each sentence is exactly the same. Stuff like that gives computers a headache.

"Artificial intelligence" is marketing talk-- buzz words -- like "disruptive", "innovative", "wholistic"
"paradigm shifting", "wellness", etc. Manufacturers of high-end systems that acutally use AI -- such
as automated attendant and voice-response telephone systems -- carefully avoid using the term,
since they don't want to be lumped with a bunch of sleazy hucksters and Silicon Valley stock swindles.

Remember when lawyers and doctors were supposed to be replaced by "expert systems"?
They weren't.

Would you believe in an AI paintbrush for artists? No, you'd laugh. But it is the same thing.

Don't be fooled: "AI" is just another way of saying "Buy or invest now!"
Now pray tell: how does it distinguish between one... (show quote)


Somehow, Bipod - this - whilst interesting … no - fascinating … doesn't really address my carefully-written explanation of how Olympus uses AI in its E-M1X to zero in on recognized subjects it stores in memory after the very first time the user applies certain behaviors to its CPU …

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Feb 19, 2019 04:53:08   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Sony A9 firmware has ai now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.digitalcameraworld.com/amp/news/sony-lines-up-two-major-firmware-updates-for-the-sony-a9

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Feb 19, 2019 05:39:21   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 


Sony went from 5% to 15% in Olympus

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Feb 19, 2019 12:55:41   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 


Hey, that's GREAT, C … I will rush right out, NOW, and pick one up!!!!!


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Feb 19, 2019 13:00:57   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Chris T wrote:
Hey, that's GREAT, C … I will rush right out, NOW, and pick one up!!!!!



The video showing it in action is actually quite impressive, despite your sarcasm.

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Feb 19, 2019 13:34:22   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
The video showing it in action is actually quite impressive, despite your sarcasm.


It's neat that you noticed, C ….

But, seriously … do you think this is on a par with the E-M1X, better, or not as good?


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Feb 19, 2019 13:39:23   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Chris T wrote:
It's neat that you noticed, C ….

But, seriously … do you think this is on a par with the E-M1X, better, or not as good?



Better, probably...and this is coming from an olympus shooter. Partially it's because sony's ca-AF is better to begin with.

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Feb 19, 2019 13:47:33   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Better, probably...and this is coming from an olympus shooter. Partially it's because sony's ca-AF is better to begin with.


But, it's in Firmware, which must be downloaded, right? … Or do they send you the software on a CD?

Explain how the a9's ca-AF is better than the Oly E-M1X, would you please, C ….

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Feb 19, 2019 14:00:54   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Chris T wrote:
But, it's in Firmware, which must be downloaded, right? … Or do they send you the software on a CD?

Explain how the a9's ca-AF is better than the Oly E-M1X, would you please, C ….


Firmware downloaded. Connect your camera to your laptop.

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Feb 19, 2019 14:10:09   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Firmware downloaded. Connect your camera to your laptop.


Don't HAVE a laptop, C … so, it's software, then. So, why couldn't they send it you on a CD?

Firmware, then - is software. Why, two terms?

Explain how the a9's ca-AF is better than the Oly E-M1X, would you please, C ….

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Feb 19, 2019 14:29:09   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
Chris T wrote:
Don't HAVE a laptop, C … so, it's software, then. So, why couldn't they send it you on a CD?

Firmware, then - is software. Why, two terms?

Explain how the a9's ca-AF is better than the Oly E-M1X, would you please, C ….


Postage is expensive. With downloads all you need is a server to host them on and bandwidth, and access can be world wide.

Firmware is a subset of software, however it is semi permanent where software that resides in your computers volatile memory disappears when you turn the power off.

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Feb 19, 2019 14:31:09   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Chris T wrote:
Don't HAVE a laptop, C … so, it's software, then. So, why couldn't they send it you on a CD?

Firmware, then - is software. Why, two terms?

Explain how the a9's ca-AF is better than the Oly E-M1X, would you please, C ….


Quit being so obtuse...laptop/computer...same thing. If you don't have either one of those, then go back to (or stay with) film and quit wasting my time. I'm not sony, so ask them if they can send it on a CD...what is a CD these days, my laptop doesn't even have a CD slot.

You can watch some videos online to see that sony's tracking on the A9 is quite nice, especially after the upgrade. As for the EM1x, I've heard mixed reviews of accuracy, and there's not enough object choices. That's what I'm basing my statement on. Take it or leave it.

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Feb 19, 2019 15:02:43   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Quit being so obtuse...laptop/computer...same thing. If you don't have either one of those, then go back to (or stay with) film and quit wasting my time. I'm not sony, so ask them if they can send it on a CD...what is a CD these days, my laptop doesn't even have a CD slot.

You can watch some videos online to see that sony's tracking on the A9 is quite nice, especially after the upgrade. As for the EM1x, I've heard mixed reviews of accuracy, and there's not enough object choices. That's what I'm basing my statement on. Take it or leave it.
Quit being so obtuse...laptop/computer...same thin... (show quote)


That's one of the differences between a PC and a laptop - all desktop PCs have a CD/DVD Drawer … actually, come to think of it - so do some laptops. Feel around the edges, C - see if something pops out!

I'm on dial-up, C - so a) I can't watch videos b) I can't download software/firmware onto my PC - as it would take a month of Sundays, and - undoubtedly, some idiot will call and knock me off-line before the download is over … which is why I asked if you could get firmware/software on a CD/DVD. I'll call Sony.

I see - about the E-M1X - the AI not being very accurate. Well, so much for that, then … thanks!!!!

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Feb 19, 2019 15:09:14   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
Postage is expensive. With downloads all you need is a server to host them on and bandwidth, and access can be world wide.

Firmware is a subset of software, however it is semi permanent where software that resides in your computers volatile memory disappears when you turn the power off.


Richard - most software is INSTALLED on a PC's hard drive, where it is no longer volatile.

As far as postage being expensive, yes - it HAS gone up in recent years. However, mailing of a CD/DVD - when you've just given proof you've bought a $4500 camera - hardly seems worth a blink!!!!

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