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Feb 15, 2019 09:47:01   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
larryepage wrote:
The road of the march of technology is very much a downhill path. The farther it goes, the faster it goes. And we can discuss multiple disciplines, including photography, where we can readily see how fast the march gets going once the change begins.

What I see as different now is the difficulty in keeping older technology functional once we lose the support of the manufacturers. I found an old SRT101 while cleaning a room the other day. It's closing in on 40 years old. As long as I can buy the proper button cell and maybe find someone to clean and lube it, and find film for it, I could keep it in operation. But I have had to retire my Olympus OM -1N and OM-2N because someone has decided that the constant voltage mercury batteries that they require can no longer be legally manufactured. My OM-2S could still work for now, because it uses alkaline button cells which are still available. But the truth is that I no longer care about any of those 4 cameras.

So in many ways, we are not that much different from the newer generations that we fuss about. It's just that their choices are beginning to impact us, and it's scary.

So keep taking pictures. Just know that a time is coming when you are going to have to be contentwith the eequipment that you have, mirrorless or not. And do some advance planning on how you are going to keep everything operational and supplied with expendables.
The road of the march of technology is very much a... (show quote)


Good news you can take your om1 out of retirement.
https://www.amazon.com/WeinCell-MRB625-Replacement-Battery-PX625/dp/B00009VQJ7
it's a drop in replacement.
also this thread maybe of interest
https://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/37597/what-are-battery-replacement-options-for-the-olympus-om-1

Also in defence of cell phone cameras while control is limited , there is some control aperture is fixed but you do have control of ISO and Shutter speed and focus. For my ipad thats f2.4 with a 3.3mm lens (fov of 31 mm) and a useable iso range of 25 - 200 (it goes higher) and a resolution of 8 Mpix. It's enough to make a good quality 10 by 8 print.

It obviously wouldn't replace my dslr which is far more flexible but it is not terrible and some are better.

IPhones have been used to shoot movies, they can work well in confined space, even being taped to a wall, although it has an issue of not holding the exposure when dark or light changes in scene occur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJk9CW2JMPE trailer for unsane by Steven Soderbergh

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/high-flying-bird-steven-soderbergh-apple-iphone-netflix-1202043102/

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Feb 15, 2019 10:13:37   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Robert1 wrote:
I recently wrote this in another forum, and i think this is one of the reasons why of the decline in cameras sales.

"my 20 years old daughter is into photography. she knows I can give her any camera she wants with the lenses she wants (she already have an entry level Pentax SLR/lenses. for Xmas what did she asked for? a GoPro 7 with all the accessories (she got it). my other daughter's wish? the best cell phone for pictures, and she also can have any camera she wishes. None, and I mean NONE of their friends have a camera of any type. When I ask why, invariably they all say the same thing: they don't like the bulk of cameras; and more importantly, they need to share right away; which they can't do with cameras as easily as a cell phone, if that is possible at all."
I recently wrote this in another forum, and i thin... (show quote)


My reply to to Anhanga Brazil on p2 I also say that to you:

But why is that? High end DSLRs, and mirrorless cameras, have microphones and speakers, wireless connectivity and a processor. All that is needed is an internet connection, and the software, to make VIOP calls. You could even use the LCD for FaceTime like video or to surf the net.

Technology fosters change. Camera companies need to widen their thinking if they want to survive in the future.

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Feb 15, 2019 11:23:53   #
Oly Guy
 
Overall my G1x Canon draws the most views on Flicker of all my cameras same sensor as the rebel series and a great processor -under 300.00 now and easy to carry and a simple menu system it's about as tech as I need really but still love my d7200 for a lot of reasons-hand shake is working on my 76 year old hands though. Time marches on!

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Feb 15, 2019 11:49:53   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
User ID wrote:
NONE of that yada yada yada answers the question.
And acoarst YOU can never answer it. ONLY a person
who owned an "SLR without an optical viewer" could
EVER answer the question. We're dealing in unicorn
poop here, dontcha know ? "SLR without an optical
viewer". Hen's teeth. Got that ? OK. Cool.

EDIT ! EDIT ! STOP THE PRESSES !

Just deciphered an obtuse cryptic clarification [great
oxymoron there] From OlyGuy, the owner of the "SLR
without optical viewer". My Rosetta stone hints that it
might refer to early model SLRs lacking a pentaprism,
having only a folding hood on the focus screen.
NONE of that yada yada yada answers the question. ... (show quote)


ROTFLMAO!

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Feb 15, 2019 11:55:06   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
JD750 wrote:
My reply to to Anhanga Brazil on p2 I also say that to you:

But why is that? High end DSLRs, and mirrorless cameras, have microphones and speakers, wireless connectivity and a processor. All that is needed is an internet connection, and the software, to make VIOP calls. You could even use the LCD for FaceTime like video or to surf the net.

Technology fosters change. Camera companies need to widen their thinking if they want to survive in the future.


And I believe I said that it is VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol).
I think the way I like and you likewise. We will not change each others' opinions.
Enjoy your Geek world and I enjoy my options (land lines, CB/HAM radios, real books,
vinyl records, etc.).

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Feb 15, 2019 12:08:12   #
User ID
 
siamesecatmanuk wrote:
Wow ! I started something when I wrote this post ! I shall carry on using my coolpix p 7000 and Nikon d7100 till I ether die or can't get out to photograph any more.
Graham


GREAT ..... but PUH - Leaze ! No CAT pix !

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Feb 15, 2019 12:51:16   #
shoelessjoe
 
The market for the serious amateur, hobbyist and professional is not going away. The major camera companies, Nikon and Cannon, should still be there however, maybe not so for the companies with less market share. The snapshot market is gone to the cell phone companies and will not be back. Some of the companies like Sigma and Tamron might not be around in 5 to 10 years. They might be eaten up by the big two or go out of business. The two main companies need to diversify their business to have different streams of income. Nikon makes a lot of money making medical equipment but that might not be enough. Sony is a big electronics manufacture so they may see an opportunity to acquire a company like say Nikon. Who knows. The only thing we do know is that change is in the future.

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Feb 15, 2019 13:33:57   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Anhanga Brasil wrote:
And I believe I said that it is VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol).
I think the way I like and you likewise. We will not change each others' opinions.
Enjoy your Geek world and I enjoy my options (land lines, CB/HAM radios, real books,
vinyl records, etc.).


I would never try to change what anyone thinks. That is just foolish.

FYI - The post you responded to was my answer to Robert1, not to you.

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Feb 15, 2019 14:01:30   #
bodiebill
 
Will the unschooled cell phone users replace skilled and amateur photographers?
I doubt it.
The technology march takes us in unknown and surprising directions.

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Feb 15, 2019 15:51:26   #
Oly Guy
 
I meant pentaprism viewers Mea Culpa beg forgiveness-76 years forgetting proper terms and having senior moments!

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Feb 15, 2019 20:16:49   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
shoelessjoe wrote:
The market for the serious amateur, hobbyist and professional is not going away. The major camera companies, Nikon and Cannon, should still be there however, maybe not so for the companies with less market share. The snapshot market is gone to the cell phone companies and will not be back. Some of the companies like Sigma and Tamron might not be around in 5 to 10 years. They might be eaten up by the big two or go out of business. The two main companies need to diversify their business to have different streams of income. Nikon makes a lot of money making medical equipment but that might not be enough. Sony is a big electronics manufacture so they may see an opportunity to acquire a company like say Nikon. Who knows. The only thing we do know is that change is in the future.
The market for the serious amateur, hobbyist and p... (show quote)


And most of all it is COOL to have a DSLR or MILC to carry around. Not worried, they”ll be around in some shape or form. Taken care of these last a long long time, perhaps longer than many of us.

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Feb 15, 2019 22:41:00   #
User ID
 
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Longshadow wrote:
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I've had G.A.S yes, but it passed.
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And, please, open up the window !





Somebody hadda say it ;-)

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Feb 15, 2019 23:04:18   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
User ID wrote:
NONE of that yada yada yada answers the question.
And acoarst YOU can never answer it. ONLY a person
who owned an "SLR without an optical viewer" could
EVER answer the question. We're dealing in unicorn
poop here, dontcha know ? "SLR without an optical
viewer". Hen's teeth. Got that ? OK. Cool.

EDIT ! EDIT ! STOP THE PRESSES !

Just deciphered an obtuse cryptic clarification [great
oxymoron there] From OlyGuy, the owner of the "SLR
without optical viewer". My Rosetta stone hints that it
might refer to early model SLRs lacking a pentaprism,
having only a folding hood on the focus screen.
NONE of that yada yada yada answers the question. ... (show quote)



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Feb 15, 2019 23:34:17   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Bipod wrote:
So how would you explain the more than 70% decline in global shipments of
digital still cameras between 2011 and 2017?

During this period, sales of smart phones grew substantially.
The trade press thinks the two facts are related, and I'm inclined to agree.

Camera manufactutres provide an upgrade path: from compact P&S to "bridge camera"
to high-end. But there is no upgrade path from an Apple iPhone to a digital camera.
Apple doesn't make cameras. And which digital camera will make phone calls?

Finally, there has been a change in the marketing of cameras from a focus on them as
cameras to a focus on them as "technology". From everything I've read about him,
Edward Weston didn't care a whit if his view camera had the very latest anything.
But digital cameras are now market more like personal computers.

The art world is very different: everybody understands that innovation in art isn't
about using the very latest paintbrush. And musicians are willing to pay a lot for
a 1956 or 1963 Stratocaster. And it's not just rarity: reissues of classic eletric guitars
are very popular.

Fender also makes Strats with active pickups--the latest electronics, offering reduced
hum, a better tone control and a volume control that doesn't change output impedence.
But most players prefer passive electronics--so Fender makes both.

I don't understand why photographers have bought into the techmology treadmill,
and are willing to accept a technology that is less capable (e.g., lower resolution)
just because it is more convenient.

If musicians cared only about convenience, then Casio would have put Steinway out of
business years ago, and Fender would now mostly be selling elecrtic ukeleles.
Fortunately, musicians care about how the music sounds. An instrument with a lot of
electronics is just as likely to sound bad as an acoustic instrument--perhaps more likely.

I suppose it's because people expect art and music to be difficult, but camera manufactuers
(beginning with Eastman Kodak) told the public that photography was easy and convenient.
(To it's credit, Kodak's photography books were much more realistic than its advertising slogans.)

"You press the button; we do the rest" -- when are people going to stop beleiving that?

The smart phone camera is just the next level. "You don't even need a camera to take pictures--
just use your phone!"

Someday people are going start looking at photographs again, and they are going to wake
up suddenly with a bad hangover. It was a great party, Apple and Samsung made a lot of money,
but now look at all the trash that's left behind! We've gone for 30 years with very few good prints,
and very few images that are going to survive.

Most of the digital images that have ever been taken have already been deleted or lost. But photographs
were stuck into albums and cherished for generations.

To steal a phrase from Marshall McLuhan: In the future, photographs will last for 15 minutes.
So how would you explain the more than 70% declin... (show quote)


Quote:
In 2014, according to Mary Meeker's annual Internet Trends report, people uploaded an average of 1.8 billion digital images every single day. That's 657 billion photos per year. Another way to think about it: Every two minutes, humans take more photos than ever existed in total 150 years ago.Nov 2, 2015


As usual, you are extremely negative. I guess that is just your nature.

The way I look at it is different. Having a cell phone camera in most people’s hands provides opportunities to record moments that otherwise wouldn’t happen. So it is a very good thing that most of us have smart phones. Many of those photos will be unique and one of a kind. That can not be a bad thing.

As far as musicians being compared to photographers? It is illogical.

A musician is a person who can play an instrument and/or a pro. A person pressing the shutter on a cellphone or on a camera is not a pro or a great photographer necessarily just because they own a camera device.

On top of that, having a large format camera didn’t guarantee work of art. Just like today. Owning expensive gear produces way more snapshots than quality photographs.

Lastly, lots of people prefer to eat in fast food joints, instead of trying to learn to cook with organic ingredients to prepare quality meals. I’m going to guess that you are one of those guys.

So next time you decide to judge people for how they spend their money, what devices they use to record a moment in time, do look in the mirror first. There are plenty of things wrong with you.

And lastly, please stop being a hypocrite. Be the change you want to see in the world. Meaning, don’t judge us for using “””miniature “”” format cameras (FF, APSC, M4/3) when we are out and about taking photos with gear that we like to use and are happy with, WHILE you go out on your hikes with a 15 year old 4mp P&S camera. Go and carry your LF camera system everywhere. Don’t expect us to do it, if you are not willing to do the same.

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Feb 15, 2019 23:55:48   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
ROTFLMAO

(In response to Bill De, above).

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