The consensus “proved” the hypothesis was correct, regardless of the evidence (Page 3): This might help understand the "consensus " and why it keeps changing ecery few years.

Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast

LWW wrote:

On one of the few instances where we agree, you still want to argue ... which leads me to believe your knowledge on the topic is nil.

This might help understand the "consensus " and why it keeps changing ecery few years.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Pegasus wrote:

This might help understand the "consensus " and why it keeps changing ecery few years.

Goremons despise actual science.

wooden_ships

LWW wrote:

That was simply precious.

Are you suggesting the climate is not changing? Or that the changes we are experiencing are due solely to cyclical patterns and mankind is in no way responsible?

Perhaps Freon was not responsible for the hole in the Attic atmosphere. However, freon does destroy the natural ozone layer that protects us from ultraviolet light and, holes in it are bad for all life on the ground. That is the reason Freon is now banned as a refrigerant. A human created problem that, in addressing it, the ozone hole is shrinking.

I believe mankind is contributing to climate change, exacerbating natural cycles in ways that greatly accelerate change inamical to life as we know it. I believe we have created an engine of change we cannot control.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

wooden_ships wrote:

Are you suggesting the climate is not changing? O... (show quote)

I read an article last evening about the cause of the little ice age, the one in the 16th and 17th Centuries. The British study states that the influx of settelers in the New World both South and North America decimated the Native population by disease and war which in turn reduced the agrairian use of land allowing new forest growth which reduced CO2 in the air. My answer has always been to plant more forest.

wooden_ships

letmedance wrote:

I read an article last evening about the cause of the little ice age, the one in the 16th and 17th Centuries. The British study states that the influx of settelers in the New World both South and North America decimated the Native population by disease and war which in turn reduced the agrairian use of land allowing new forest growth which reduced CO2 in the air. My answer has always been to plant more forest.

Agreed, that and stopping the destruction of the Amazon Forest will partially mitigate the increased CO2 production.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

wooden_ships wrote:

Are you suggesting the climate is not changing? O... (show quote)

You can believe mankind is causing GW all you want, but you have no real evidence.

When do you believe GW began?

When do you believe the last ice age ended?

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

wooden_ships wrote:

Agreed, that and stopping the destruction of the Amazon Forest will partially mitigate the increased CO2 production.

Among the more daft things I’ve heard.

Angmo

LWW wrote:

Among the more daft things I’ve heard.

Yep. The oceans manage these things naturally. CO2 is a reaction to naturally warmer or colder weather. Lots are simply dissolved in the oceans. As things warm and cool naturally it is released or absorbed. Again as a reaction to temps not a cause.

Then again, read books. Many with smart phones seem unable to. They appear to read strange sources that merely provide confirmation bias in line with their leftist indoctrination.

Science be damned. Politics and lies full speed ahead!!!

Anyone ever stop to think of fossil fuels as a tremendous source of solar energy. Plants (lots of green stuff.. plus sun and stored in earth). Using them frees up CO2 and puts it back into the environment from wence it came. All a nice cycle. Independent as a cause of natural weather and climate cycles.

Yep. Oil, coal... efficient and cheap solar energy. Natural batteries. India would be nowhere without this energy source. Lefties wanna stop India’s growth and better lives by stopping access of this form of solar energy.

Lefties are evil. Hurting everything they touch. Just like slavery. Dems hurt folks. Take away India’s energy? More hurt. It’s leftist Hate & rascism perfected. Completely innocent. What will lefties thing of next?

Maybe post birth abortion? Murder incorporated.

Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast

wooden_ships wrote:

Are you suggesting the climate is not changing?

Climate always changes. It's been changing ever since there was a climate and it will keep changing until the sun dies out.

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Or that the changes we are experiencing are due solely to cyclical patterns and mankind is in no way responsible?

I had to break off this part from the preceding part, even though you tried to link them together.
So, exactly what changes are we experiencing that you think are extraordinary? By extraordinary, I mean that they have never occurred before in the last 4.5 billion years and are totally due to mankind's actions.

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Perhaps Freon was not responsible for the hole in the Attic atmosphere. However, freon does destroy the natural ozone layer that protects us from ultraviolet light and, holes in it are bad for all life on the ground. That is the reason Freon is now banned as a refrigerant. A human created problem that, in addressing it, the ozone hole is shrinking.

This part is a display of wanton ignorance.
The "ozone hole" was discovered in the late 1980s when we actually attained the capability to notice something and measure it. This is a perfect example of a lot of hokum in "climate science." We only have about 30-40 years of decent measurements of stuff and yet we talk about everything being an issue that has never occurred before, ever.

Freon is a CFC, chlorofluorocarbon (I hope I spelled that right, I was doing it from memory.) It was blamed to the "ozone hole" that was discovered in 1979. Let's talk about ozone for a second. Ozone is O3 and the stratospheric ozone is formed by the interaction of sunlight on the fringes of our atmosphere. Ozone is a very reactive molecule and likes to play with just about anything else. It has been postulated that chlorine (and bromine) from the CFCs are reacting with O3 and transforming it into something else, thereby "destroying the ozone." Free ozone in the stratosphere blocks the incoming and active UV-A and UV-B radiation coming in from the Sun, so we don't get those harsh rays on us to cook us and other things. CFCs are not the only source of chlorine, it's found in the oceans in vast quantities as sodium chloride, AKA salt. There are storms out in the oceans. The "ozone hole" is not shrinking. It's been the same size and fluctuates around that size ever since it was discovered in the late 1970s. There's even a NASA site that tracks it.

I'm not going to get into the various misconceptions about UV-A, UV-B and different latitudes, and so on. but suffice it to say that it was a non-issue that was addressed at great expense and nothing really came out of it.

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I believe mankind is contributing to climate change, exacerbating natural cycles in ways that greatly accelerate change inamical to life as we know it. I believe we have created an engine of change we cannot control.

Thank you for sharing your opinion. I happen to believe somewhat differently. I'm always quizzical as to why people have to falsify the records and the observations and lie in their reports to make us believe everything is going to hell.

Finally, I will start believing catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is a problem when the folks who tell us CAGW is an issue start acting like it's an issue.

Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast

Examples of lies regarding CAGW are these recent ones:

The World Economic Summit in Davos is expecting 1,500 private jets. These very people who keep telling us about the dangers of CAGW are definitely not living like it's an issue.

Recently, Bill Nye "the science ignoramus guy" said that due to global warming, Canada might have to start growing food and that's an issue because they do not have the infrastructure (railways) to get the food production to where it will be needed. Wow.

Angmo

Tech guys can go through the “read me
Harry” files and enjoy a big laugh at leftie bigotry.

Alter the data is the only way to prove a lie. Kinda like lie about Trump to prove a lie. Dossier...

Or lie about healthcare (keep doctor keep plan save $2,400 a year lies). To sell the lie

Or lie that Nazis are not lefties.. or fascists are not lefties.. or slavery was an American sin when only Dems owned slaves..

You see the pattern of lies.

wooden_ships

LWW wrote:

You can believe mankind is causing GW all you want, but you have no real evidence.

When do you believe GW began?

When do you believe the last ice age ended?

I answered those points in my original post. Acceptance of the Ice Age was inferred by my reference to natural cycles. That should have been a clue for someone as astute as you.

As for proof, I offered the Freon example that happened during our lifetime.

Quo erat demonstratum.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

wooden_ships wrote:

I answered those points in my original post. Acceptance of the Ice Age was inferred by my reference to natural cycles. That should have been a clue for someone as astute as you.

As for proof, I offered the Freon example that happened during our lifetime.

Quo erat demonstratum.

Actually, you didn't ... so lets see if you'll strike out on the high heat of truth.

BTW ... methinks you meant:

Ego demonstrandum intentum.

Next time:

Legere librum.

Pegasus Loc: Texas Gulf Coast

LWW wrote:

Actually, you didn't ... so lets see if you'll strike out on the high heat of truth.

BTW ... methinks you meant:

Ego demonstrandum intentum.

Next time:

Legere librum.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Pegasus wrote:

Tu Urbanus et instructus.