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Jan 29, 2019 07:29:30   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
I purchased it yesterday and tried it out, it is pretty impressive.

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Jan 29, 2019 07:30:01   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
kd7eir wrote:
I cannot believe that anyone is taking this seriously. You CANNOT put data BACK into an image that was NEVER THERE to begin with! My opinion of the collective intelligence of UHH has just dropped several notches by reading that some of you are actually believing this.


Be careful when you use the word "impossible."

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13556-10-impossibilities-conquered-by-science/
http://motivating-minutes.blogspot.com/2013/02/10-things-that-used-to-be-impossible.html

"Interpolate - : to estimate values of (data or a function) between two known values"

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Jan 29, 2019 07:31:00   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
LWW wrote:
WITCHCRAFT!!!


String 'em up!

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Jan 29, 2019 07:48:06   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
Soul Dr. wrote:
Just got an email from Topaz Labs. They are touting a new program that converts JPEG files to RAW files.
It's $79 for the program, but there is a free trial version.
Some info from the email...


Edit JPEGs as if you shot them in RAW.

Topaz JPEG to RAW AI uses machine learning to do what was previously impossible: turn JPEGs into high-quality RAWs for a better editing experience. Ever come across the perfect shot and all you had was your phone? Now you can take the shot, then take your compressed JPEG image and convert it to RAW in Topaz JPEG to RAW AI. It's the next best thing to having your trusty camera gear on hand! With JPEG to RAW AI, you can prevent banding, remove compression artifacts, recover detail, and enhance dynamic range. As the first and only A.I. software for transforming your JPEGs into RAW files, what used to be impossible is now possible.
Just got an email from Topaz Labs. They are toutin... (show quote)

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Jan 29, 2019 07:51:14   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
I have a recipe book somewhere that tells me how to prepare the can of worms you may have opened by mistake.........Let me know how that dish ends up. Thanks for Sharing.

Jimbo

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Jan 29, 2019 07:55:10   #
dave.m
 
Most DSLRs record raw format in 12 or 14 bits per channel per pixel. 12 bits has 4095 possible tones for each of R,G or B channel giving a total of up to 68 billion colours per pixel (4095x4095x4095)

As most know, jpeg is limited to 8 bits or 255 colour tones per channel or maximum 16 million per pixel.

So any jpeg processing - in camera or elsewhere - potentially reduces tones by a factor of 16 and colours by 4000.

But who cares, as after all the human eye can resolve about 1 million colours, well within the range of jpeg, and the moment we display on screen, or worse a printed image the maximum number of colours plummets.

Any jpeg processor reduces the number of colours by some mathematical system - at its very simplest by banding. ie if all 4096 tones are used for one channel it will convert 16 raw tones to a single jpeg tone.

And therein lies the problem, because post processing options on colour balance, exposure, shadows, contrast etc are potentially severely restricted.

So, on a difficult to process jpeg image, if Topaz have developed an 'intelligent' process to largely deconstruct the 'mechanical' compression processing of a jpeg image, then I will certainly give it a try when I have a jpeg that I want to improve.

And a fair few of my old scanned slides and negs could do with all the help they can get :)

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Jan 29, 2019 07:55:18   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
The level of misunderstanding of JPEG, how it works, and what its capabilities and limitations are on this site continues to astound me. And most of the misconceptions are preached loudest by those who clearly do not even use it and who have obviously never studied it in any detail.

It is very clear that raw is one of the two preferred file formats for capturing and manipulating photographs. In fact, from a file standpoint, TIFF is superior to raw in at least a couple of ways, if your camera is capable of using it. 16 bit TIFF files provide either 2 or 4 additional bits of image depth. The files are also nearly universally readable, just like JPEGs, and they can be saved without any compression.

The truth is that JPEGs can carry all the information that most printers can handle and reproduce, especially any printer that most of us here are willing to pay for and buy ink for. I have very nice framed images all over my house that were taken before I learned the benefits of either raw or TIFF. Most of them were post processed. They are not going to come down just because they were JPEGs.

It is true that if exposure or contrast or overall dynamic range are changed in a JPEG, it is possible to run out of bit depth. If the exposure was pretty close to correct to start out with, that can happen pretty quickly.

But the truth is that with the correct choices, JPEG does not have to be the limitation that so many here make it. With correct camera setup, correct focus, and correct exposure, it is possible to get to a perfectly usable printable image with JPEG. BUT...the correct JPEG setup is also required...maximum resolution retained and minimum compression exucuted. If Basic quality is selected, only a low resolution version of the image is captured from the beginning. If Small is selected, a brutal compression will be done that will result in inability to fully reconstruct the image when opened. But those are choices that do not have to be made.

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Jan 29, 2019 08:31:09   #
Nikon1201
 
Save $80 and just shoot in Raw . I can’t believe that you can replace the data you lost shooting g in Jpeg.

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Jan 29, 2019 08:35:31   #
mgoldfield
 
Soul Dr. wrote:
Just got an email from Topaz Labs. They are touting a new program that converts JPEG files to RAW files.
It's $79 for the program, but there is a free trial version.
Some info from the email...


Edit JPEGs as if you shot them in RAW.

Topaz JPEG to RAW AI uses machine learning to do what was previously impossible: turn JPEGs into high-quality RAWs for a better editing experience. Ever come across the perfect shot and all you had was your phone? Now you can take the shot, then take your compressed JPEG image and convert it to RAW in Topaz JPEG to RAW AI. It's the next best thing to having your trusty camera gear on hand! With JPEG to RAW AI, you can prevent banding, remove compression artifacts, recover detail, and enhance dynamic range. As the first and only A.I. software for transforming your JPEGs into RAW files, what used to be impossible is now possible.
Just got an email from Topaz Labs. They are toutin... (show quote)


Save your money and shoot in RAW!

M. Goldfield

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Jan 29, 2019 08:37:00   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Nikon1201 wrote:
Save $80 and just shoot in Raw . I can’t believe that you can replace the data you lost shooting g in Jpeg.


From hence forth.
Someone should make a slide/print scanner that saves RAW.

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Jan 29, 2019 08:43:19   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
It might be possible...and, there might be a little juju thrown in. Your original photo is the best data you have. All else is 'slight of hand'. Any conversion program will have lost any shading subtleties and there may be good attempts... You cannot create data that is not there. Check out the free trial with unusual photos to see how they are accommodated.

Dik

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Jan 29, 2019 08:43:19   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
It might be possible...and, there might be a little juju thrown in. Your original photo is the best data you have. All else is 'slight of hand'. Any conversion program will have lost any shading subtleties and there may be good attempts to add them... You cannot create data that is not there. Check out the free trial with unusual photos to see how they are accommodated.

Dik

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Jan 29, 2019 08:44:27   #
bbrown5154 Loc: Baltimore, MD
 
imagemeister wrote:
This is the typical response I would expect here .....


Man people get way too torqued up over things.
Use it, don't use it, try it don't try it.
But to just arbitrarily dismiss it is pretty elitist.
JMO.

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Jan 29, 2019 08:50:17   #
CaptainEd
 
Soul Dr. wrote:
I'm sure everybody has their best gear with them 24/7.


And a pro photographer travelling along with them, just in case!

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Jan 29, 2019 08:52:18   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
P. T. Barnum seems to have joined the Topaz Marketing team ...

And I say that as a happy Topaz user for multiple modules. If I want the best result, I shoot with the best technique, using my best equipment and capturing the image in RAW, not using my phone and thinking I can "AI" the missing data back into the JPEG.





I wonder if this software can be modified to restore other things. Like a certain played-out gold mine in our family???

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