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Jan 21, 2019 14:54:30   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Just Fred wrote:
I'm known here among a small circle of photographers as primarily a landscape photographer. But there is another area in which I want to delve and improve: Object photography. To be precise, I like photographing guitars. And other inanimate objects.

Believe it or not, it's a lot harder to take a good photograph of an object than just pointing a camera at it and snapping the shutter. I've seen stunning "portraits" of guitars, antique guns, jewelry, etc. A couple of years ago I purchased a photo studio backdrop "system" that included four umbrella lights, a backdrop holder, white and black backdrops, cords, stands -- all the basic stuff to shoot well-lit, posed photographs.
My problem is that I have never been able to hang a "smooth" backdrop. They are muslin, and always show fold lines, even after ironing them with a steam-shooting iron. I'm also limited by a half-size ironing board.

I've read that some photographers, instead of trying to get smooth, seamless backdrops, actually dampen the cloth and crumple it and stuff it into a bag. The end result being a non-uniform wrinkled backdrop. I may try that.

Lately I've taken to using bare wood floors. But the lighting is often such that I get reflections and flares, which ruin the shot. I've attached a couple of examples.

How do others use backdrops? Do you use plastic, and if so, how do you avoid flash hot spots? How do you get your backdrops wrinkle-free? Are there other solutions I haven't considered?
I'm known here among a small circle of photographe... (show quote)

First off, I would place the background further away, so it will be out of focus, that alone will make your subjects stand out more. Second, light the subjects, don't emphasize the background, actually let the background be background and not be part of the subject!

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Jan 21, 2019 17:00:16   #
carl hervol Loc: jacksonville florida
 
It looks like you're using a bed sheet. If you use muslin back drop, you won't have this problem. And don't fold them roll them up.`

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Jan 21, 2019 17:25:50   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Just Fred wrote:
I'm known here among a small circle of photographers as primarily a landscape photographer. But there is another area in which I want to delve and improve: Object photography. To be precise, I like photographing guitars. And other inanimate objects.

Believe it or not, it's a lot harder to take a good photograph of an object than just pointing a camera at it and snapping the shutter. I've seen stunning "portraits" of guitars, antique guns, jewelry, etc. A couple of years ago I purchased a photo studio backdrop "system" that included four umbrella lights, a backdrop holder, white and black backdrops, cords, stands -- all the basic stuff to shoot well-lit, posed photographs.
My problem is that I have never been able to hang a "smooth" backdrop. They are muslin, and always show fold lines, even after ironing them with a steam-shooting iron. I'm also limited by a half-size ironing board.

I've read that some photographers, instead of trying to get smooth, seamless backdrops, actually dampen the cloth and crumple it and stuff it into a bag. The end result being a non-uniform wrinkled backdrop. I may try that.

Lately I've taken to using bare wood floors. But the lighting is often such that I get reflections and flares, which ruin the shot. I've attached a couple of examples.

How do others use backdrops? Do you use plastic, and if so, how do you avoid flash hot spots? How do you get your backdrops wrinkle-free? Are there other solutions I haven't considered?
I'm known here among a small circle of photographe... (show quote)


Both your photos, the guitar is against the backdrop.....it needs to be separated.. At least 5 feet... Depends on f stop (f5 or less) and lighting.... Trial and error till you get it.

The material can be ironed...I made an ironing board (I make quilts as another hobby). Cut a sheet of plywood in half lengthwise. Cover it with a thin batting and to or three layers of Muslin. Now you can iron material up to 96 inches wide, or cut the board to 6 feet and iron material up to 72 inches.... Use a spray bottle and constant stream on cotton setting....

If all this is to much, then buy a roll of background paper, and hang it work a background hanger or a piece of pipe. Or..... Buy a silky material, like satin or something similar, and shoot against the dull side. Fleece or any wrinkle free polyester material will work also. My personal choice would be gray or black.

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Jan 21, 2019 17:36:32   #
Haydon
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Lighting the background is important, but again there are many approach and methods. I cert kinds of portrait and commercial photography here is the employment of a background light- it can be a spot ligh a softer kind of ligh or just some light that spills on the background from the other lights in the setup. The volume, nature (hardness of softness) and even the color of the ligh will depend on the effect you wish to produce. In many composition the background is subordinate to the subject and may be kept darker or in softer focus. If the background detail is important to the theme it can be more pronounced and similarly lighted. Just like there is a ratio between ligh and shadow there is a ratio between the subject and the background.

The background also plays a role in the KEY of the image. Low key images of darker subjects against a darker background as opposed to lighter subjects on a light background (kind of a white on white effect) will all fact in to how you ligh the background.

When theses topics and questions arise, most folks seem t emphasize equipment usage which certainly factors in, however in making theses choices the concept of the image and the applicable technique needs to be considered.

Yet another way of lightning a background is by trans-illumination. There as a Plexiglas product called "sigh White"- it is a white translucent that diffuses or "spread light very effectively. It is use in making back lighted signs, transparency viewing light boxes and light tables, especially where shallow enclosures are used for the light sources. It can be flexible enough to use in a cyclorama type of light table shows in my previous post. A light placed behind and or/under the Plexiglas can create a floating background for small and medium sized objects. It can register as pure white or colored gesl can be used over the ligh source to produce colored backgrounds. Again a background ligh ratio has to be established. Spot exposure meter readings can be used to get you into the ballpark range and then refined by testing. Once you establish the setting, the setup is easily repeatable.

This thread is mainly concerted background treatments. Of course how the item is lighted by the main, fill and/or any accent ligh all influences the background as well in terms of levels of illumination, ratio, contrast, key, and direction of lighting.

Another note- There is ample discussion, here on the HOG about every camera and lens in existence, all kids of post-processing issues and some lighting gear and issues. Little know that BACKGROUNDS comprise an industry in the photography and cinematography business. There arr companies and several independent artists that produce all manner of backgrounds, painted, multi-color, old masters, scenic, in every style, era, mode imaginable. Some are ugly and gaudily, others are perfect, as long as the photographer knows how to use an light them. some are painted on paper, canvas, vinyl or even large window shades for portability. Some are collapse on those spring loaded hoops. The there is an entire technology of green screen, front projection, rear projection and theses can also be combined with post-processing techniques.

I have used some of theses products and technologies, over the years, in my studio. With individual portraits and small products, however, some of my best background were improvised- fabric remnants for the sewing and fabric stores and old worn out dark Oriental rugs from the second-hand store. Clever lighing and selective focus are the tricks. And...if you wife or husband won't kill you, you can paint a great painterly background on a wall. Lay in a coat of flat dark gray or black latex paint- let it dry overnight and then paint in the colors with brushes and natural sponges (flat latex paint is best), If you don't like it, just start over again. You can do this on a large window shade too.

I think the OP has some good suggestion to work with.
Lighting the background is important, but again th... (show quote)


Thanks for the support Ed. Love your work here sir. My link was an illustration of just another way of doing things. It's from thinking outside the box, one grows.

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Jan 21, 2019 19:22:47   #
tvor-matt
 
Try background paper. It's cheap, comes in rolls, and you can throw it away after each shoot

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Jan 21, 2019 19:35:04   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
I sell a lot of camera gear, that is quite a bit different from guitars, but I create a cheap product studio by simply taking a large piece of heavy white construction paper and curling it into a studio. I have used different techniques to create and hold the curl, but image a can cut in half longwise, that the goal, it gives a pure white background with no lines or distractions that take away from the product.



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Jan 21, 2019 19:55:49   #
uhaas2009
 
right light can change everything....it's a learning curb

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Jan 21, 2019 22:33:11   #
Vietnam Vet
 
Go to Hobby Lobby and check out the heavy fabrics hanging on the rolls. They make great backdrops.

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Jan 21, 2019 22:46:00   #
kskarma Loc: Topeka, KS
 
I keep my backgrounds rolled up when not using them. Carpet dealers will give you the rolls of cardboard that they have removed rugs from...and if you roll your backgrounds smoothly on these, all of the wrinkles will come out while they are in storage. This is a good task to do with some help, although I do mine by myself most of the time. I store fabric backgrounds that are mostly 7' wide.

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Jan 22, 2019 06:48:41   #
Just Fred Loc: Darwin's Waiting Room
 
Thanks for all the helpful replies, everyone. Some very good suggestions and information. Keep 'em coming, if you've got 'em!

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Jan 22, 2019 08:53:16   #
kskarma Loc: Topeka, KS
 
Adding a few suggestions here... A fabric that I have found very satisfactory is similar to velvet, but MUCH less expensive. It can be found at the larger fabric stores...JoAnn's, etc., and is called "penne".
It's pretty much 'wrinkle resistant' and will 'drape' nicely if needed. I've bought it in several good 'photo colors', such as maroon, black and grey. It's textured surface reflects very little light, so it tends to fade into the background....and isn't that what we want most of the time?

(P.S. the nice ladies in fabric stores will be VERY impressed when a GUY asks for "penne"..!)

Secondly....consider using a grey background for your product photography, especially if your subject is black...such as a camera or lens, or white, such as a dinner plate. The idea is to reduce the contrast with your subject...and use more or less light on the background to alter it from total darkness...i.e. black, to near white, by controlling the light that falls on the background. This will give you a lot more control in Post Processing.

A final thought...shooting smaller items in one of those collapsible "Photo Tents" can work great. The fact that any light falling on your object will be nicely diffused can make your task a lot easier, especially with product type photos. A strobe or two placed at the sides of the tent will give great soft lighting or some of these tents have openings that allow more direct lighting for a more contrasty light. Scale models, vases, watches, keepsakes, etc. all look great with what amounts to 360 degree lighting. A simple "drop" of a contrasting color in the back of the photo tent can also add a nice touch. Many of these tents actually are sold with a small selection of drops just for this purpose. These 'tents' are available in a large range of sizes...I have one that is nearly 5' square. The larger sizes can work great for babies and small kids, too. Look on eBay for a huge selection of sizes and prices.

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Jan 22, 2019 09:12:14   #
Just Fred Loc: Darwin's Waiting Room
 
kskarma wrote:
(P.S. the nice ladies in fabric stores will be VERY impressed when a GUY asks for "penne"..!)


I always thought 'penne' was a type of pasta...

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Jan 22, 2019 09:26:15   #
kskarma Loc: Topeka, KS
 
Fred..GREAT observation....and it's BOTH..! This means that if you ask for it, you will NOT be disappointed whether you get photo background material...OR a nice helping of some pasta based treat. Talk about a win-win..!!!

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