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Jan 20, 2019 12:19:11   #
pendennis
 
bedouin wrote:
How did he avoid the two-year waiting list?


Private payment avoids the wait lists in Canada.

Before everyone goes on a tear about how great Canada medical care is, their medical care is not the best for the general public.

I live outside of Detroit, and you can see huge numbers of Canadian license plates at Detroit area hospitals. The reason? - Their huge wait times. Canadians can come to the U.S. get treatment, and the U.S. hospitals and clinics simply bill Canada's medical insurance.

And don't forget, we have a large number of medical professionals who work in the U.S., and are Canadian residents. It seems the pay in Canada is far below that of U.S. pay rates.

The Canadians are very low on the latest technology. There are 300 +/- MRI machines in the entire country in 2017.

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Jan 20, 2019 12:29:53   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
I couldn't agree more. Fricken pharma greed is what it is. I bet you could get the same shit in Canada for the old price.

I don’t believe that any “Pharma” corruption and price scalping could go on IF OUR SHITBIRD POLITICIANS” weren’t getting very handsomely “PAID-OFF”. Both sides are 3rd world order corrupt. Anyone know why WE THE SHEEP tolerate such crap?? RJM

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Jan 20, 2019 12:33:55   #
mtbear
 
You blame Pharma but Pharma will only charge what the insurance companies will pay. The insurance companies are in an ethical bind to provide medication. We need to return the entire system to the free market and get rind of government meddling that is allowing the problem in the first place.

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Jan 20, 2019 13:11:07   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
bedouin wrote:
Changing the law to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices is exactly what Trump is trying to do. And meeting tremendous resistance from many sides. But then if Trump were to advise people not to poop in their pants, his enemies would all be walking around with a load in theirs.


A Great anology!! Government sex, is what it is.....they’re screwing us BIG-TIME, as usual. SIGN ME UP FOR THE REVOLT.. RJM

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Jan 20, 2019 13:13:18   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
digit-up wrote:
I don’t believe that any “Pharma” corruption and price scalping could go on IF OUR SHITBIRD POLITICIANS” weren’t getting very handsomely “PAID-OFF”. Both sides are 3rd world order corrupt. Anyone know why WE THE SHEEP tolerate such crap?? RJM


Yup. Every month the drug companies send out checks to all the whore politicians.

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Jan 20, 2019 13:14:59   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Should be against the law


1. Get rid of all the nuisance lawsuits because the idiot using this screwed up.
2. Get rid of all insurance for everyone for this and all other meds, physicals etc. Prices will crash to cheap aspirin. Your car is not insured for gas, oil changes and tuneups.
3. Remove all the horrendous government barriers that make development so cost prohibitive, free market development.
Then watch all drug prices crash down when there is no artificial pricing, controls etc.

Look at how digital primitive cameras went from 10's of thousands to a few hundred bucks and the few hundred buck ones are far superior to the old 10's of thousands ones. Free market and no government intervention screwing up the free market and development.

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Jan 20, 2019 13:16:12   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
traderjohn wrote:
Did you ever stop and think how many failures, the years spent in R&D all of the federal guidelines and trials and money spent on bringing a drug to market? Do you have knowledge of the dollar value that entails?


BUT!!! DOES ANYONE DOUBT THAT THE PRICES ARE “ABSURD”??? I guess ya really can’t change STUPID!! RJM

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Jan 20, 2019 13:24:59   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Yet the drug companies somehow manage to barely stay in business, with their executives making modest salaries. Every company has operating expenses.


How many companies do you know that can stay in business if 75% of their R&D ends up in the round file>
Define a modest salary? What's the dollar value? What would their responsibilities be?
There seems to ba rant against being successful and the money associated with it.

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Jan 20, 2019 14:02:02   #
Ront53 Loc: Maryland
 
Huey Driver wrote:
Should be against the law


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Jan 20, 2019 14:30:55   #
clickety
 
robertjerl wrote:
I will put in one (sorta) for the US Pharma Companies. It may not apply much to Humalog. I use Humalog - mine comes from Kaiser through my health plan from LA Unified School District (retiree) and Medicare Senior Advantage.
Development costs are way up - salaries, production costs etc. But esp development research and certification by FDA(plus periodic re-certification in some cases - change something and it has to be re-certified). Production facilities are regularly inspected, licensed etc. Research and testing for safety, research for new drugs or improvements etc are all expensive.
Here in the US this is especially expensive due to higher wages, costs, regulations etc. When the company sells that drug in another country the price is often controlled with no factoring in of US costs so they raise the price in places (US) where there is no price control. The same goes for drug companies in other countries - make up for low prices elsewhere by changing more in the US.
Do the companies try to max profits? - Yes
Does our government regulation and rules increase costs? - Yes
Does the higher production costs in the US factor in? - Yes
Do they add on some for research and development of new versions or totally new drugs? - Yes

And in many cases those who run the companies pay themselves vastly exaggerated salaries, benefits and perks.

So it is a complicated thing with blame being in more than one place.

Could the prices be a lot less if someone sat everyone down and they co-operated to lower all costs. - Yes
But the chances of that happening are very low. Unless the President or Congress gets behind it and requires it to be done - or else people start getting replaced until they find someone who can carry it out. Esp when you calculate in that the government (FDA and state versions of it) often can only change things by legislation to change laws in some cases and others through the bureaucracy and its regulations (which are far too many, far too large and change (esp getting rid of some) and resisted by the personnel who have their jobs and incomes tied into writing and maintaining those regulations (they have to justify their job, salary and perks).

And a lot of Law Firms make a very nice living off all this stuff, they don't want to see the system changed much either.
I will put in one (sorta) for the US Pharma Compan... (show quote)


Our Son is employed by a major research contractor in the clinical trials and testing of drugs necessary for FDA approval. We (the general public) fail to realize that FDA approval can involve years of testing and many new drugs fail to reach market.

His first employer was a major pharmaceutical company and fifteen years ago the drug they were developing was costing them a million dollars a day in phase-three testing. These costs accrue for drugs that never are approved or released thus a total loss that needs to be recouped.

I am not defending the example cited by the OP only suggesting that it’s not always as simple or blatant as the media portrays.

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Jan 20, 2019 15:17:40   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
pendennis wrote:
Private payment avoids the wait lists in Canada.

Before everyone goes on a tear about how great Canada medical care is, their medical care is not the best for the general public.

I live outside of Detroit, and you can see huge numbers of Canadian license plates at Detroit area hospitals. The reason? - Their huge wait times. Canadians can come to the U.S. get treatment, and the U.S. hospitals and clinics simply bill Canada's medical insurance.

And don't forget, we have a large number of medical professionals who work in the U.S., and are Canadian residents. It seems the pay in Canada is far below that of U.S. pay rates.

The Canadians are very low on the latest technology. There are 300 +/- MRI machines in the entire country in 2017.
Private payment avoids the wait lists in Canada. b... (show quote)


Those 300+ MRI machines are for a population of just over 37 million. That is 2 million less people than California alone.

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Jan 20, 2019 15:19:26   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
Part of the problem for new drugs is that the US companies essentially pay all the development and certification expenses and the rest of the world just pays the production costs--there are treaties that see to that.

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Jan 20, 2019 15:24:49   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
It isfair to look at Venezuela and Cuba, why not fair to look at Britain, France, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Japan, Taiwan, Canada - well sippyjug? They all provide better health care to more people at less cost and deliver better health outcomes. Check life expectancies.


sippyjug104 wrote:
It's all a crazy twisted game that feeds itself in a vicious circle. The only bright side is that the large Pharma's are shareholder corporations so their profits get distributed in share values.

Now, if you want to see what social medicine brings, take a look at Venezuela or Cuba. Free to the public...however there is no medicine available and both are in a state of medical crisis.


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Jan 20, 2019 15:25:33   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
I couldn't agree more. Fricken pharma greed is what it is. I bet you could get the same shit in Canada for the old price.

Yup, no change in price north of the US border!

bwa

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Jan 20, 2019 15:32:15   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
robertjerl wrote:
Those 300+ MRI machines are for a population of just over 37 million. That is 2 million less people than California alone.

I don't view a one week wait for a nonemergency MRI a serious problem! And I've had great healthcare in my 70+ years under the Canadian universal program...

bwa

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