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Jan 3, 2019 19:44:11   #
ggenova64
 
“Have you ever tried the "I Am Shooting" method of your Exposure settings?
I= ISO, Am=Aperture, Shooting= Shutter-Speed in that order.”

Great concept! Thanks

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Jan 3, 2019 19:50:00   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
"Portraits typically demand separation of the subject and background, so the first demand is a shallow depth of field, maybe f/1.8 or f/1.4, but certainly not f/11, so aperture priority."

Now, "Tex-s" has contributed the current and most important phases or categories of photography and this is important. I'd like to express an opinion that my quotation of the universal view about PORTRAITS is helpful but I look at old portraits and see the background information as important if not more so than the photograph. Of course, the school portraits are just that, individual portraits, but I can't help myself from thinking, enjoying, seeing and recognizing something in the background that brings back memories I had forgotten. Nice work "Tex-s," overall!

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Jan 3, 2019 19:58:37   #
User ID
 
paver wrote:
Hi ladies and gents,
First post from a semi-experienced beginner, so please be gentle.😊

While shooting today, I realized that maybe I have been looking at apature settings wrong, in that I always used apature as a way to control the cameras ability to shoot in low/bright lighting situations, understanding depth of field is a function of this setting.

I do understand there are lighting situations where you must compomise, and may have to use a lower/higher f-stop to get the exposure right, while forgoing depth of field considerations.

I quess my question is, do most of you approach apature from a depth of field perspective FIRST, and then s. speed and ISO second, if possible, to provide proper exposure while in apature priority?

Thank you in advance, for trying to stuff, more stuff in my thick skull.
Hi ladies and gents, br First post from a semi-exp... (show quote)


You ask about a group you called "most of you" .... Most of
these "Online Experts" are not worth asking. You, by luck or
by smarts, already have it exactly right. You got the concept
and you realize about the frequent need to strike some sort
of a compromise.

Don't let any Online Experts try to bewilder you with their
mindlessly parroted elaborations. At this point the thread is
at 3 pages long. Stoooooopidity ! All anyone need to say ...
emphasis on ALL ... is "yup, you got it". So ignore 3 pages
of worthless hot air. Keep calm and carry on !

.

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Jan 3, 2019 21:19:46   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
burkphoto wrote:
I evaluate the scene, first. How MUCH light do I have to work with? This primarily determines how low my ISO setting can be (although I may RAISE ISO when I need more depth of field, or a shorter shutter speed to stop action). If the scene is dim, and I can add light practically, and without disturbing my subjects, I do.

Next, what is IN the scene? What is my subject? Do I want to stop movement or blur movement? Do I want to isolate a subject from the background, or do I need lots of depth of field to keep everyone or everything sharp?

To stop motion, I need a short shutter speed. How short depends upon the subject's speed, direction, and proximity to my camera (really, relative size in the image).
To blur motion, I need a long-ish shutter speed. How long depends on how much blur I want.

To isolate a subject from a background, I can use a long lens combined with a large aperture and perhaps a large sensor camera. To keep everything sharp, I need a shorter lens, combined with a smaller aperture, and maybe a small sensor camera.

Life is full of tradeoffs. Raising ISO increases noise (digital grain), and reduces color depth and dynamic range. But you can work in LOWER LIGHT CONDITIONS, or use a faster shutter speed, or use a smaller aperture.

Shortening a shutter speed requires either higher ISO, MORE LIGHT, or a wider aperture. Lengthening shutter speed allows a lower ISO, or the use of less light, or the use of a smaller aperture.

Using a wider lens aperture lets me work in LESS LIGHT, or use a faster shutter speed, or use a lower ISO.

With aperture, you're also affecting lens performance. Only a few pro lenses perform really well wide open. Most lenses benefit from being stopped down one to three stops. Beyond three stops down, performance usually suffers from some ailment. The smaller the aperture, and the smaller the tiny sensor sites on the sensor, the more diffraction you get. Diffraction limits sharpness.

With EXPERIENCE and TESTING, you learn just what works for your style of work, and you learn just how far you can push the boundaries.

It is always a great idea to test equipment with a controlled scene (constant light, fixed subjects, etc.) and learn from the resulting images. What you learn that way can help you get the results you seek MUCH FASTER than guessing. When testing, alter only ONE variable at a time, until you have varied ALL variables at ALL settings. This can take hours, but it saves hundreds of hours making errors, guessing, and being frustrated.
I evaluate the scene, first. How MUCH light do I h... (show quote)


Thank you Bill, excellent dissertation.

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Jan 3, 2019 23:43:02   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
paver wrote:
Hi ladies and gents,
First post from a semi-experienced beginner, so please be gentle.😊

While shooting today, I realized that maybe I have been looking at apature settings wrong, in that I always used apature as a way to control the cameras ability to shoot in low/bright lighting situations, understanding depth of field is a function of this setting.

I do understand there are lighting situations where you must compomise, and may have to use a lower/higher f-stop to get the exposure right, while forgoing depth of field considerations.

I quess my question is, do most of you approach apature from a depth of field perspective FIRST, and then s. speed and ISO second, if possible, to provide proper exposure while in apature priority?

Thank you in advance, for trying to stuff, more stuff in my thick skull.
Hi ladies and gents, br First post from a semi-exp... (show quote)

Welcome! For your own benefit I have point out that you spelled aperture incorrectly five times, leaving me to assume that it wasn't an accident and you are not aware of the correct spelling. We all know what you meant, of course, but you might want to consider spelling it correctly in future posts.

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Jan 4, 2019 00:27:22   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
You seem to take a lot of liberties with your insinuated, or direct, insults. That won't win you many friends among the folks on this site. Perhaps you don't care. That's just as well. It gives most of us a contributor to ignore and spend more time on meaningful posts.
--Bob
User ID wrote:
You ask about a group you called "most of you" .... Most of
these "Online Experts" are not worth asking. You, by luck or
by smarts, already have it exactly right. You got the concept
and you realize about the frequent need to strike some sort
of a compromise.

Don't let any Online Experts try to bewilder you with their
mindlessly parroted elaborations. At this point the thread is
at 3 pages long. Stoooooopidity ! All anyone need to say ...
emphasis on ALL ... is "yup, you got it". So ignore 3 pages
of worthless hot air. Keep calm and carry on !

.
You ask about a group you called "most of you... (show quote)

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Jan 4, 2019 03:34:40   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
paver wrote:


I quess my question is, do most of you approach apature from a depth of field perspective FIRST, .....................


I would say yes and it's generally the first of the three parameters I set. What I will set is the aperture that I know will give me just adequate DoF for the subject based on my experience of subject/camera/lens result that will be achieved.


paver wrote:
.................... and then s. speed and ISO second, if possible, to provide proper exposure while in apature priority?


Shutter speed will then be next. I will look at/set this to just freeze movement taking account of lens FL and whether hand held or on tripod (disregarding long exposures).

I will then look at what ISO was needed to achieve the exposure I want and if it's low may decide to give myself more leeway on the above two settings. I use this procedure if I am using aperture priority or manual auto ISO.

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Jan 4, 2019 07:53:03   #
A. T.
 
paver wrote:
Hi ladies and gents,
First post from a semi-experienced beginner, so please be gentle.😊

While shooting today, I realized that maybe I have been looking at apature settings wrong, in that I always used apature as a way to control the cameras ability to shoot in low/bright lighting situations, understanding depth of field is a function of this setting.

I do understand there are lighting situations where you must compomise, and may have to use a lower/higher f-stop to get the exposure right, while forgoing depth of field considerations.

I quess my question is, do most of you approach apature from a depth of field perspective FIRST, and then s. speed and ISO second, if possible, to provide proper exposure while in apature priority?

Thank you in advance, for trying to stuff, more stuff in my thick skull.
Hi ladies and gents, br First post from a semi-exp... (show quote)


Google Steve Perry and read about Manual mode with auto ISO; I think you will be impressed with what you discover. He covers aperture in great detail.

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Jan 4, 2019 07:53:26   #
BJW
 
paver wrote:
Hi ladies and gents,
First post from a semi-experienced beginner, so please be gentle.😊

While shooting today, I realized that maybe I have been looking at apature settings wrong, in that I always used apature as a way to control the cameras ability to shoot in low/bright lighting situations, understanding depth of field is a function of this setting.

I do understand there are lighting situations where you must compomise, and may have to use a lower/higher f-stop to get the exposure right, while forgoing depth of field considerations.

I quess my question is, do most of you approach apature from a depth of field perspective FIRST, and then s. speed and ISO second, if possible, to provide proper exposure while in apature priority?

Thank you in advance, for trying to stuff, more stuff in my thick skull.
Hi ladies and gents, br First post from a semi-exp... (show quote)


I always set ISO first.
Then I decide on Shutter speed if I want to stop action or aperture priority if I ‘m shooting still life.

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Jan 4, 2019 09:46:41   #
mgoldfield
 
BobHartung wrote:
Not to be snarky but it is Aperture

Agreed!

Not snarky at all. Nothing wrong with an expectation of correct spelling of such a commonly used word in photography.

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Jan 4, 2019 09:51:46   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
paver wrote:
Hi ladies and gents,
First post from a semi-experienced beginner, so please be gentle.😊

While shooting today, I realized that maybe I have been looking at apature settings wrong, in that I always used apature as a way to control the cameras ability to shoot in low/bright lighting situations, understanding depth of field is a function of this setting.

I do understand there are lighting situations where you must compomise, and may have to use a lower/higher f-stop to get the exposure right, while forgoing depth of field considerations.

I quess my question is, do most of you approach apature from a depth of field perspective FIRST, and then s. speed and ISO second, if possible, to provide proper exposure while in apature priority?

Thank you in advance, for trying to stuff, more stuff in my thick skull.
Hi ladies and gents, br First post from a semi-exp... (show quote)

First, Welcome to UHH! You will get a lot of good advice here, plus a lot of differing opinions. It is up to you to decide which posts best answer your questions!

As you can deduce from the responses, the "best" or "truest" answer would be "it depends"! Gene51 and Burkphoto spoke about this in a clear, easily understood way.

It appears you have some understanding of the exposure triangle [shutter speed, aperture, ISO], but it would help a great deal if you would study it in more depth. Each adjustment of one component affects the others. Sometimes adjusting just one is impossible, and it is difficult to make a generalized recommendation on which one to consider first. Often after changing one setting, further tweaking of all three becomes necessary! With experience, you will be able to sense the best configuration for the situation, but in the meantime it is important to experiment.

Steve Perry's website has lots of good information, and there are tutorials in many places. Search for them and also when you see a photographer's work you admire, check out their website - many offer advice - both free and paid - that can be very helpful. UHH has a search function that you can use to find posts on different topics. Another source is CreativeLive.com - they have a schedule of "On Air" programs on all different kinds of information. Their photography video tutorials are given by very good instructors. If you can watch them at the time scheduled, you can watch and learn for free, plus the videos are available for sale. I tried several different sources for learning when I was getting started with my first DSLR, before settling on a selection of what I consider to be my "mentors"!

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Jan 4, 2019 12:34:05   #
Dan Rogers
 
Hi pacer, try dragging your shutter you will love the results. Set your iOS to the Lowest setting, make sure your flash is set to go off at the back, set your camera on P but don't shoot on P just get your reading and write it down, now cut your readings in half ( it could be 10 or 30 and you don't need a tripod), put the camera on manual and put in you numbers. You will be blown away how awesome you photo will turn out.

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Jan 5, 2019 20:48:55   #
paver Loc: Miami, Fl
 
Fellow members, thank you for reminding me about the proper spelling of the do hicky, thing, with the funny looking numbers on it, that you turn back and forth, to get some sort of desired effect.😆

I have seen the word, like all of you, about a million times, but, what can I say?
To be honest, spelling has never been my strong suite.

I will now go and place my nose in the circle on the chalk board, while wearing my dunce cap, after writing apature a thousand times. Dang, there I go again!

Haven' fun, that's what I do!

Bill

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