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Dec 5, 2018 10:46:33   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Kodachrome was a complicated process which required expensive equipment. It could never be done at home like E-6. It wouldn't be economically feasible today, just not enough demand.


It was VERY complex, required specialized machines, took 93 minutes dry to dry, and used very hazardous chemicals. Only a few labs in the USA processed it. All but one or two were Kodak labs, and the last one to quit the Kodachrome process was an independent — Dwayne's.

I don't miss E6. I developed thousands of rolls by hand in the 1980s. Developer - Reversal Bath - Wash - Color Developer - Bleach - Fix - Wash - Stabilizer... 32 minutes until unloading reels. Temperature 100.4F +/- 0.5F. Nitrogen burst agitation. Deep sink tanks capable of 20 rolls of 135 at a time. Control strips processed with each batch and evaluated on a densitometer. Statistical process control plots. Replenishment and pH adjustments. GAAAAAAA!!!

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Dec 5, 2018 11:02:06   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
burkphoto wrote:
It was VERY complex, required specialized machines, took 93 minutes dry to dry, and used very hazardous chemicals. Only a few labs in the USA processed it. All but one or two were Kodak labs, and the last one to quit the Kodachrome process was an independent — Dwayne's.

I don't miss E6. I developed thousands of rolls by hand in the 1980s. Developer - Reversal Bath - Wash - Color Developer - Bleach - Fix - Wash - Stabilizer... 32 minutes until unloading reels. Temperature 100.4F +/- 0.5F. Nitrogen burst agitation. Deep sink tanks capable of 20 rolls of 135 at a time. Control strips processed with each batch and evaluated on a densitometer. Statistical process control plots. Replenishment and pH adjustments. GAAAAAAA!!!
It was VERY complex, required specialized machines... (show quote)

I ran an E-6 cine processor at my former job back before digital.
Fairly low chemical volume made replenishment pretty critical. Control strips front and back.
Splice breaks were the worst!
Still have a good supply of waterproof tape and staples on hand though. At another job we used heat splices. I think they worked better.

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Dec 5, 2018 11:21:55   #
car buff
 
In Portland Or. Check Prophoto, Blue Moon Camera. They are flim and old camera only. Was there yesterday impressive. Found a Graflex recently, had film in it. Havin it processed, negitive only to see what could be there. Might be surprised.
Dennis Wa. state.

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Dec 5, 2018 11:24:15   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
robertjerl wrote:
Speaking of multi projector shows. Back in the 74-75 school year when I was teaching basic photography as an emergency replacement for the photo teacher who had become an administrator a large camera shop near the school (they gave me a lot of help) sponsored the traveling Kodak show at a local college's performance hall. They had an 18 wheeler full of gear, if I remember right it was 8 projectors (two man crew on each swapping out slide trays etc) on a four part super wide screen, sound gear out the kazoo and a couple of large studio control/editing boards with several operators all working in sync, fade in fade out swips etc and at one point all eight projectors (one on the top half, one on the bottom half of the 4 sections of the screen. Synced music and narration for the whole show which I seem to remember was about 1 hour. It basically just blew the audience away. One guy who had also seen the early traveling show of "Fantasia" compared the Kodak show to that.
Speaking of multi projector shows. Back in the 74... (show quote)


The official term for multi-projector shows was MULTI-IMAGE. I was a multi-image producer for a school yearbook and portrait company from 1979 to 1987, and a member of the Association for Multi-Image International (AMI).

We had 15 Kodak E2 slide projectors, and a ClearLight Star 3 system. From '84 on, we used a ClearLight Superstar programming and projection system based on an Apple IIe. Of course, we had all the requisite audio gear, too... 4-Track reel-to-reel, 3-track TASCAM 133 Cassette Deck, mixing console, etc., plus a copy stand, two slide duplicators, three cameras, six camera lenses, 30 projector lenses, racks, cases, E6 darkroom, projection booth and theatre...

We did 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, and 12 projector shows. (The fifth stack of 3 projectors was for traveling road shows.) I don't miss cleaning Wess Mounts (four glass surfaces plus two film surfaces for each slide). I don't miss driving a 10' truckload of gear to sales meetings and workshops for 5 to 10 hours. I don't miss the all day setups with my assistant and boss lugging gear for me. But I do miss the roar of the audience after the show!

We also did mundane things like sound filmstrips and simple slide-tape presentations for training, plus all the photography for our creative services team.

The August, 1983 AMI conference in Orlando was probably the best example of Multi-Image I've ever seen. The show competition was fierce. There were 123 shows to see! They ranged from two projectors to 30 projectors plus three 16mm film projectors and a video projector. The two-projector show won the top award. It was by photographer Jim Richardson, titled "Reflections from a Wide Spot in the Road". It was a tear-jerking, slow dissolve portrait of small-town life in Cuba, Kansas, and it was all Black-and-White! It was a great example of how MESSAGE beats MEDIA.

Here's my (then future) wife and I, preparing a 9-projector show for a 1983 yearbook editors' workshop. Those binders on the shelves are full of slides.


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Dec 5, 2018 11:36:30   #
Treborteko1 Loc: New Jersey
 
TriX wrote:
I feel your pain. Unfortunately, Cibachrome materials are also no longer available. If you’ve ever seen a Cibachrome print, you’ll understand my sadness at its demise.


Hello again TriX
I'll just keep on searching. I am beginning to feel like a treasure seeker. The map never finds the gold. And I do sympathize with you...:)

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Dec 5, 2018 11:48:00   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
burkphoto wrote:
The official term for multi-projector shows was MULTI-IMAGE. I was a multi-image producer for a school yearbook and portrait company from 1979 to 1987, and a member of the Association for Multi-Image International (AMI).

We had 15 Kodak E2 slide projectors, and a ClearLight Star 3 system. From '84 on, we used a ClearLight Superstar programming and projection system based on an Apple IIe. Of course, we had all the requisite audio gear, too... 4-Track reel-to-reel, 3-track TASCAM 133 Cassette Deck, mixing console, etc., plus a copy stand, two slide duplicators, three cameras, six camera lenses, 30 projector lenses, racks, cases, E6 darkroom, projection booth and theatre...

We did 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, and 12 projector shows. (The fifth stack of 3 projectors was for traveling road shows.) I don't miss cleaning Wess Mounts (four glass surfaces plus two film surfaces for each slide). I don't miss driving a 10' truckload of gear to sales meetings and workshops for 5 to 10 hours. I don't miss the all day setups with my assistant and boss lugging gear for me. But I do miss the roar of the audience after the show!

We also did mundane things like sound filmstrips and simple slide-tape presentations for training, plus all the photography for our creative services team.

The August, 1983 AMI conference in Orlando was probably the best example of Multi-Image I've ever seen. The show competition was fierce. There were 123 shows to see! They ranged from two projectors to 30 projectors plus three 16mm film projectors and a video projector. The two-projector show won the top award. It was by photographer Jim Richardson, titled "Reflections from a Wide Spot in the Road". It was a tear-jerking, slow dissolve portrait of small-town life in Cuba, Kansas, and it was all Black-and-White! It was a great example of how MESSAGE beats MEDIA.

Here's my (then future) wife and I, preparing a 9-projector show for a 1983 yearbook editors' workshop. Those binders on the shelves are full of slides.
The official term for multi-projector shows was MU... (show quote)


Hey, I had forgotten that they had movie projectors integrated into the show.
Would you know if anyone made copies on video of some of those shows that are available anywhere to watch?

Your picture brings back memories, I still have several thousand slides, two projectors (one Kodak carousel and one cube, haven't plugged either in for about 15 years) and several projector trays, a few still loaded from the very basic shows I did to use in history classes when I was teaching - a mix of my slides, many from Vietnam, and copies I shot of books and magazines, maps etc. I used them to get students interested in history through visuals. Thanks to Sesame Street etc you had to grab their interest and sort of entertain them to get their attention. It was good that I tend to be a story teller anyway. I would tell them it was "HIgh STORY" and make my lectures a story telling time. Far too many didn't or couldn't read the books very well thanks to the promote by birthday policy, it didn't matter if they worked or learned anything, have a birthday, get promoted. During my 15 years at a Jr High School I had students who were flunking my 8th grade US history class have a birthday, check out of the 8th grade class and check into one of my 9th grade World history classes, which they proceeded to fail. And get promoted at the end of the year no matter what grade I and their other teachers had given them.
I often wonder which of those students changed and got an education somehow and which are just drifting through life. That promote by birthday policy is in my mind pretty much a crime against the students. And it encouraged poor teachers to more or less just go through the motions since "it doesn't matter anyway".

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Dec 5, 2018 12:07:47   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
robertjerl wrote:
Hey, I had forgotten that they had movie projectors integrated into the show.
Would you know if anyone made copies on video of some of those shows that are available anywhere to watch?


That, I don't know. I have a few really bad transfers of my own shows on VHS tapes, but I don't know of any others.

The medium was first used in about 1965. The CIA supposedly used it for a while for classified reasons. Industries used it extensively for sales meetings, training, and promotions. Museums used it for storytelling — history lessons and science lessons. Police used it in Miami, FL, for a while as a simulator to train officers in high pressure situations. Churches used it for various programs and ceremonies.

I remember one HUGE show in 1973 about The Beatles. It was a retrospective using lots of slide and 16mm film projectors.

The equipment matured nicely in the late 1970s and early 1980s. By 1983, most manufacturers were making their best gear.

The bulk of Multi-Image was produced from 1975 to 1995. After that, PowerPoint and digital video projectors ruled, and Multi-Image use died off rapidly.

Frankly, you can do most of what we did in Multi-Image with a computer and a video projector and the right software. A stock Mac comes with most of it. Add a scanner and a digital camera and a 4K projector and some audio playback gear...

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Dec 5, 2018 12:25:31   #
Treborteko1 Loc: New Jersey
 
Kiron Kid wrote:
www.citizensphoto.com

$10.00 per roll, which includes high res scans.


Hello Kid
Thanks for the info.. I'm going to get all the particulars and then, hopefully, I can get my Kodachrome processed...:)

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Dec 5, 2018 13:07:30   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
Treborteko1 wrote:
Hello Kid
Thanks for the info.. I'm going to get all the particulars and then, hopefully, I can get my Kodachrome processed...:)


Love your enthusiasm, but no one does conventional Kodachrome processing anymore.
Blue Moon does it as black & white negative for $19 a roll..prepaid...even if it's blank.
https://www.bluemooncamera.com/Kodachrome_BW_developing.php

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Dec 5, 2018 16:19:42   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
TriX wrote:
I feel your pain. Unfortunately, Cibachrome materials are also no longer available. If you’ve ever seen a Cibachrome print, you’ll understand my sadness at its demise.


I was familiar with Cibachrome long ago.

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Dec 5, 2018 16:24:19   #
adm
 
Unfortunately, the deadline for Kodachrome processing expired in 2010. I still have a few rolls left that I never shot. I will keep them as souvenirs of an otherwise forgotten era. I miss Kodachrome to some degree but found the various Fujichrome films to be capable substitutes that were superior in some ways. Nonetheless, Kodachrome had a unique look that cannot be replicated by any other film. I ordered five rolls of the new Ektachrome back in October when it first came out. I was not a fan of the earlier Ektachromes but I found the last few generations to be much improved. I have not shot the new Ektachrome but from what I have seen on some websites, it has superior rendition of Caucasian skin tones compared to Fuji. I am just grateful to have another option for chrome film in an era where many (erroneously) see this as dinosaur territory.

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Dec 5, 2018 16:56:30   #
User ID
 
Treborteko1 wrote:

Thanks for the info..I was a diehard
Kodachrome freak. I'm determined...:)


Put your determination to good use.
Trying to get Kodachrome processed
is NOT good use, but is a waste. FYI
Kodachrome processing is not merely
a matter of somebody, somewhere,
having access to certain chemicals.
Kodachrome is a machine dependent
process. The DEVICES involved are
elaborate and are at least as critically
important as the chemicals.

OTOH Kodacolor and other C-41 films
and their chemicals are still current.
The machinery is basic. Can even be
processed at home. The chemistry is
inexpensive and in common use. It's
as easy to process C-41 as is B&W in
a tank in your sink :-)

.

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Dec 5, 2018 17:15:05   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Quote:
... It's as easy to process C-41 as is B&W in
a tank in your sink :-)


Just need to exercise good temperature control (temp controlled water bath for chemicals) for consistent results.

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Dec 5, 2018 18:05:39   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
lamiaceae wrote:
I was familiar with Cibachrome long ago.


With a good slide scan or re-photographic copy, you can make better prints than Cibachrome, using a high end Epson with K3 HDR inks and top-shelf papers. Many service bureaus and labs do this sort of work.

Cibachrome prints were brilliant, but often the highlight and shadow details were missing. A good scanner or raw camera capture with a macro lens can retain them.

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Dec 5, 2018 18:30:29   #
Treborteko1 Loc: New Jersey
 
Flash Falasca wrote:
I don't know your physical limitations but c41 processing is beyond easy, the hard part is keeping the temp right and that is easy with a controlled heating device!! I use a sous vide cooking device to heat a water bath and it becomes simple the rest is easier than black and white ! then just scan the negitives. the chemicals are around $25 and can develop 15 or 20 rolls mabye more. If this is of no interest maybe someone else will find it useful !!

Hi Flash
I am looking into your process ideas as we speak. Now, assuming they work, I'll have to figure a way to tell my wife that I'm getting back into the chemistry of the 60's and 70's. Lol.....:)

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