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Aug 18, 2012 12:48:24   #
newbie147 Loc: Manchester UK
 
Sorry the U.K. beat you to that (being the laughing stock of the world). We've held that title for at least the last 15 years.

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Aug 18, 2012 12:54:16   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
ole sarg wrote:
When did you stop beating your wife?


Could anybody in here use Quote Reply so we can know who is talking to who about what?

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Aug 18, 2012 13:09:11   #
newbie147 Loc: Manchester UK
 
marcomarks wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
When did you stop beating your wife?


Could anybody in here use Quote Reply so we can know who is talking to who about what?


Sorry didn't know how to do it , just figured it out. Was talking to fdbarnes

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Aug 18, 2012 14:52:31   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
marcomarks wrote:
the_imaginist wrote:
Mitt Romney has told us that he did in fact pay the required 13% taxes during the past 10 years. Okay Mitt we'll trust you on this, BUT as we were taught by that great American President Ronald Reagan, "Trust, but verify."

And so somewhere in those 10 years, or even 5 years as was just suggested, there is something that Mr. Romney doesn't want "us the people" to see. Here is what I suspect, That he was so heavily invested in China that it would be proven that he prefers to create Chinese jobs as opposed to American jobs. Heck... "you people" just demand too high of wages and medical insurance and paid vacations and sick pay. The people of China don't. "You people" affect my bottom line way more than the people in China, so I prefer to invest my money in creating jobs for them, not "you people." Don't believe it? Next time you see him on the campaign trail ask him about Global-Tech Appliances Inc., it's a Chinese firm that he had invested in around 1998-2000. It was a Chinese appliance manufacturer trying to get a foot hold in making refrigerators, etc. that used to be made here. China vs. American jobs.

So yes Mr. Romney "we the people" will trust you on the taxes, but we're still going to need verification.
Mitt Romney has told us that he did in fact pay th... (show quote)


In my view, it's bigger than this trivial blathering. Romney doesn't want to be seen as willing to be pushed around by the Liberal media or Liberal Administration which would show weakness on his part. Bush Sr. let Liberals push him around ("Read my lips, no new taxes" and then let Democrats cleverly push him into new taxes), was overly relaxed and non-combative during his second campaign, and you can see what that got him - out. He was a compromising ambassador and never a true leader.

Romney, as a CEO "head" of many corporations is not accustomed to being pushed around by anybody he doesn't want to cooperate with and he won't cooperate with the Liberals. If his own party were to ask him to reveal more, he likely would, but as long as it's Liberals trying to "pin him" you won't see him compromise and do so at all.

Your fake "We the people" don't give a crap about his 10 years of taxes nor companies he revived using Chinese workers. Truly concerned citizens of this country are concerned about the future, not the past, and not what already is and won't be changed with any incoming or incumbent President. Every company in the U.S. is using Chinese workers, either 100% or at least partially - so that has no bearing on fixing the economy. Only the "We the back stabbing Liberals who aren't going to vote for Romney anyway" are biting like wild dogs at his ankles for tax returns hoping for a way to tear him apart. Not for the good of the country, but for the political good of their pitiful candidate - because Obama's record of accomplishments is and always has been in the bottom of the dumpster and throwing out trivial accusations at Romney is all they've got to work with.

If your hoax version of "We the people" wanted truth and real answers, they would have torn Obama to pieces years ago, but that's not the case because of the adoring, brown-nosing, Liberal media now is it?

The real "We the people" would only have to all read one Michelle Malkin book, for example, to learn the detailed, carefully researched, documented, and verified truth they need to know about Obama and Michelle, the African-American version of Kennedy's fascinating Camelot. Then the presidential campaign could just stop, the Romneys could back their moving truck up to the Whitehouse, and just wait for the November landslide to begin.
quote=the_imaginist Mitt Romney has told us that ... (show quote)


marcomarks
You are 100% right. The libs are like a pack of dogs and must be defeated at all costs. They do not care about the future of the country only what they can get right now.
marcomarks, it will get more difficult but please do not give up until the fight is over in November. Keep telling it loud and clear like you did here. Michelle Malkin is also an American with a clear vision and a very clear way of telling it like it is.

I am convinced that today’s so-called democrats are communists at heart and leading us to total disaster.
Making oBummer a 1 termer is job 1.

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Aug 18, 2012 15:07:43   #
schmigel Loc: Baltimore, MD
 
"I am convinced that today’s so-called democrats are communists at heart and leading us to total disaster.
Making oBummer a 1 termer is job 1." [/quote]

Obama's critics find it so easy to throw out words like 'communist,' 'socialist,' 'fascist,' 'Muslim,' 'unAmerican,' etc., easily forgetting how many American patriots, both men and women, have fought and died to preserve their freedom to spew this kind of hate speech.

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Aug 18, 2012 15:26:06   #
CanonJC
 
the_imaginist wrote:
Mitt Romney has told us that he did in fact pay the required 13% taxes during the past 10 years. Okay Mitt we'll trust you on this, BUT as we were taught by that great American President Ronald Reagan, "Trust, but verify."

And so somewhere in those 10 years, or even 5 years as was just suggested, there is something that Mr. Romney doesn't want "us the people" to see. Here is what I suspect, That he was so heavily invested in China that it would be proven that he prefers to create Chinese jobs as opposed to American jobs. Heck... "you people" just demand too high of wages and medical insurance and paid vacations and sick pay. The people of China don't. "You people" affect my bottom line way more than the people in China, so I prefer to invest my money in creating jobs for them, not "you people." Don't believe it? Next time you see him on the campaign trail ask him about Global-Tech Appliances Inc., it's a Chinese firm that he had invested in around 1998-2000. It was a Chinese appliance manufacturer trying to get a foot hold in making refrigerators, etc. that used to be made here. China vs. American jobs.

So yes Mr. Romney "we the people" will trust you on the taxes, but we're still going to need verification.
Mitt Romney has told us that he did in fact pay th... (show quote)


All news said the middle class people pay 12.9% tax for earning average $50,000 to 70,000. Romney stated that he paid 13%. BS! He makes lump of millions dollars each of the years. He should pay around 30%.

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Aug 18, 2012 15:26:23   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
schmigel wrote:
"I am convinced that today’s so-called democrats are communists at heart and leading us to total disaster.
Making oBummer a 1 termer is job 1."


Obama's critics find it so easy to throw out words like 'communist,' 'socialist,' 'fascist,' 'Muslim,' 'unAmerican,' etc., easily forgetting how many American patriots, both men and women, have fought and died to preserve their freedom to spew this kind of hate speech.[/quote]

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Many American patriots, both men and women, have fought and died to preserve our freedom. They did not die to protect avowed communist rhetoric. Many millions died due to communism.

It is not only oBummers critics throwing out words that the others do not want to hear. The libs get very foul just as well so spare us your phony crap.

Our kids’ future is at stake in the next election not just your union rights.
The past generation was known as the greatest generation. This lib generation will be known as the greedy generation. It is despicable to be a socialist.

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Aug 18, 2012 15:57:13   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
CanonJC wrote:
the_imaginist wrote:
Mitt Romney has told us that he did in fact pay the required 13% taxes during the past 10 years. Okay Mitt we'll trust you on this, BUT as we were taught by that great American President Ronald Reagan, "Trust, but verify."

And so somewhere in those 10 years, or even 5 years as was just suggested, there is something that Mr. Romney doesn't want "us the people" to see. Here is what I suspect, That he was so heavily invested in China that it would be proven that he prefers to create Chinese jobs as opposed to American jobs. Heck... "you people" just demand too high of wages and medical insurance and paid vacations and sick pay. The people of China don't. "You people" affect my bottom line way more than the people in China, so I prefer to invest my money in creating jobs for them, not "you people." Don't believe it? Next time you see him on the campaign trail ask him about Global-Tech Appliances Inc., it's a Chinese firm that he had invested in around 1998-2000. It was a Chinese appliance manufacturer trying to get a foot hold in making refrigerators, etc. that used to be made here. China vs. American jobs.

So yes Mr. Romney "we the people" will trust you on the taxes, but we're still going to need verification.
Mitt Romney has told us that he did in fact pay th... (show quote)


All news said the middle class people pay 12.9% tax for earning average $50,000 to 70,000. Romney stated that he paid 13%. BS! He makes lump of millions dollars each of the years. He should pay around 30%.
quote=the_imaginist Mitt Romney has told us that ... (show quote)



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He should pay what he owes and it is none of your business.

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Aug 18, 2012 16:14:22   #
FLandWVMIKE Loc: Daytona Beach, Fla.
 
Don't forget that Mitt Romney has given millions to charity. That, alone, will give him a lower rate. Also, his income is, totally, from investments. These investments are from his, already taxed income. Warren Buffet had the same situation. I believe that Joe Biden listed $300.00 as given to charity.
You liberals only want to focus on the low tax rate and not the reason why.
Do you really wonder why Romney does not want to publish his last ten years tax returns ?

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Aug 18, 2012 17:35:05   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
schmigel wrote:
"I am convinced that today’s so-called democrats are communists at heart and leading us to total disaster.
Making oBummer a 1 termer is job 1."


Obama's critics find it so easy to throw out words like 'communist,' 'socialist,' 'fascist,' 'Muslim,' 'unAmerican,' etc., easily forgetting how many American patriots, both men and women, have fought and died to preserve their freedom to spew this kind of hate speech.[/quote]

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Nobody is forgetting anything about real patriots who fought and died. I grew up during the Vietnam War and many of my friends were affected, disabled, or killed in it. There is no negative link at all between their sacrifices and people of this country taking advantage of the freedom of speech that they protected. It is a non-subject in this type of right versus left debate.

What we anti-Obama people are doing is just calling the kettle black, except it would be considered racist by Liberals like Al Sharpton to use the word black in the same paragraph as Obama - an unconstitutional suppression of one's right to use specific words of our English vocabulary when we want to and we have the freedom to do so - whether it's used derogatorily or not.

Yet the Black Panthers can use the FCC controlled airwaves to say every foul word they can think of, every slanderous name they can come up with, and tell followers to go out and literally "kill cracker babies within seconds after they're born" to pursue their goals of taking over America. Unfortunately they have the same freedom of speech and nobody will ever do anything to suppress a single word they say with anger and malice.

So it is our right to say that if he talks and walks like a socialist, fascist, communist, and Muslim while acting in unAmerican ways, shaming our country around the world, keeping us in a recession that should be over, spending trillions as though the money tree harvest is endless, telling one lie after another to protect his Chicago cronies, using Executive Privilege illegally, building a staff of Czars to illegally bypass Congress with his decisions, and cutting our military's budget by mega-billions to endanger it, then that's what he is. Just calling it as we see it with the constitutional right to do so.

As John Stossel just said on a repeat show of his today, for every potentially well-meaning government-involved action attempted by short-sighted politicians (and Obama is one of the most short-sighted ever since Jimmy Carter) to improve life for the "seen" they want votes from, there are countless consequences that destroy life, liberty, and freedom for the far more "unseen" who suffer from those actions.

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Aug 18, 2012 17:56:17   #
leither Loc: Sunny Leith
 
A couple of years ago my wife & daughter were on holiday in Florida. She came back with a football (American) for me. Make - Wilson. Made by - Wilson in Chicago Il. MADE IN CHINA.
Daughter & son both have iPhones - Made by Apple - MADE IN CHINA.
A few years ago Levi closed their factory in England and move to the FAR East - Dysan vacuums did the same.
Bottom line - it's not only your politicians who are letting jobs go abroad, many private companies in your own countries are shafting their countrymen & women just so they can get their goods made cheaper in the Far East. Do they pass these profits on - not a hope in Hell.
Not being a political animal I must admit I'm puzzled by these things call Capitalism and Communism.
Seems to me some are just out to make as much money as possible no matter who's head gets stood on.
It's a weird world.

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Aug 18, 2012 18:26:50   #
Lancer W/A Canon Loc: atlanta
 
traveler90712 wrote:
Concur!
Maybe then Obama, will unseal his school documentation too!


That's been released and proven long ago, get real.

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Aug 18, 2012 18:26:53   #
Danilo Loc: Las Vegas
 
It's easy for some to forget that we have, over time, become a part of a world market. Not only do our domestic producers have to compete with Chinese producers, domestic Workers must also compete with Chinese workers. As stated earlier on this thread, an American worker with a stated wage of $25hr may actually, with benefits and pension, be costing his/her employer $65hr. If this worker would work for $15hr with a total cost to employer of $35, maybe some of these companies would stay here. In our real world the labor unions would never, ever, allow this.
Why was Bain Capitol able to rescue many businesses from BK by simply lowering labor costs?
Related Topic: Bain did not just go "hunting" for businesses to "prey" upon. Many companies approached them to help them avoid BK. They were hired by the CEO's or the Shareholders, and under that condition Bain was obliged to serve the party they were hired by. Looking a little further, we may find that many people's pension funds were holding stock shares in these failing companies (maybe your Mom or Dad's pension fund). Many times Bain was able to reorganize these companies successfully, sometimes not.
Has the American worker priced him/herself out of the market? If you are a worker, your work is your product, and has a price.
Don't people deserve a decent, living wage? YES...if they're worth it!

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Aug 18, 2012 18:30:38   #
greymatter
 
leither wrote:
A couple of years ago my wife & daughter were on holiday in Florida. She came back with a football (American) for me. Make - Wilson. Made by - Wilson in Chicago Il. MADE IN CHINA.
Daughter & son both have iPhones - Made by Apple - MADE IN CHINA.
A few years ago Levi closed their factory in England and move to the FAR East - Dysan vacuums did the same.
Bottom line - it's not only your politicians who are letting jobs go abroad, many private companies in your own countries are shafting their countrymen & women just so they can get their goods made cheaper in the Far East. Do they pass these profits on - not a hope in Hell.
Not being a political animal I must admit I'm puzzled by these things call Capitalism and Communism.
Seems to me some are just out to make as much money as possible no matter who's head gets stood on.
It's a weird world.
A couple of years ago my wife & daughter were ... (show quote)


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Aug 18, 2012 18:40:00   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
FLandWVMIKE wrote:
Don't forget that Mitt Romney has given millions to charity. That, alone, will give him a lower rate. Also, his income is, totally, from investments. These investments are from his, already taxed income. Warren Buffet had the same situation. I believe that Joe Biden listed $300.00 as given to charity.
You liberals only want to focus on the low tax rate and not the reason why.
Do you really wonder why Romney does not want to publish his last ten years tax returns ?





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