bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

The $10/month Photographers Package includes both Lightrooms and 20 GB of cloud storage. Initially the conventional advice has been pick one or the other, not both. Most photographers, including me, want the tools, controls and organization of Classic.

Yesterday, Tim Grey did a two hour presentation on using them together as a means of sharing, distributing and working on your images. For me it was "mind bending". He would work on an image in old Classic, then view the results on a tablet or website. At one point he took a photo with his phone and it showed up in Classic ready for adjustments.

Many view the (new, cloud) Lightroom CC as weak, lacking tools, a beta and worse. Tim Grey sees it, and explains it, as an extraordinary extension of the (old, computer) Classic Lightroom CC. He sees it where the "whole is greater than the sum of the parts".

The presentation was done on Livestream and sponsored by B&H. In about a month it should be on the B&H YouTube channel. It appears you can watch it on the B&H Facebook page. Try going to Facebook and putting "Photos Everywhere With Lightroom Mobile" in the search box. B&H says that will work.

Note that this workflow is not going to be liked by those that want to quickly open an image, adjust the exposure and make a print. It might be liked by those that are curious about where digital photography is going.

rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin

Thank you, Bill. I will look for the video. Appreciate the heads up!

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Err... I do not see LR CC as an 'inferior product' even if I do not use it. I am actually wondering when LR and Bridge (that I use) will merge, the next logical step, in my opinion.

This myth/legend comes from those who do not like subscription based software and will say anything to justify their opinion.

Joe Blow

I have a personal issue of renting software, especially for $120 /yr. There are many other comparable programs out there for sale for half that price a and even free ones.

20GB of cloud storage? I shoot that in one day and store it on a secure, portable HDD. Storage is cheap enough as it is; there is little reason to entrust it to the "cloud".

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

I used to have a personal issue with finding enough spare cash to buy film! I don't ask anyone to agree, but I see $120 a year a screaming bargain compared to what I used to pay for film and processing. Please don't turn my topic into a rant about renting software. We can start another thread for that!

I agree that there are a lot of choices and that is good. We all benefit. And, we read reviews that say how good they are compared to Adobe. Many measure up well and even surpass.

The point of this post is to not endorse, but to try to point out what Adobe is doing that the others are not. In other words, what is Adobe doing differently that adds value to their offering that the competition does not offer.

The 20GB is NOT intended to be your primary storage. The cloud part is for sharing, not storage. The Tim Grey, the video presenter, has 400,000 images on a system of multiple 6TB drives. Only the best of the best show up on the sharing cloud. He insists that for most, cloud storage as primary, does not make sense.

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

I have to think about how Bridge and the two Lightrooms would merge.

My thought on the next logical step is that cameras will start having a useful direct connection. In other words, why can't I capture and image on my camera and have it be migrated to my editing system through the "cloud". I can do that with amazing simplicity with my crappy phone, but not my exquisite camera! When will I be able to put a Lightroom (or equivalent) app on my camera?

DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area

I would assume, but do not know, that all of the photos he worked with were resident in the Adobe cloud. If so, therein lies the rub, for two reasons. First, uploading a day's shoot consisting of hundreds of photos (particularly RAW files) into the cloud is time-prohibitive for most people, and, depending on their ISP, can be costly. Second, Adobe is charging WAY too much for its storage. Accordingly, the capabilities he showed are interesting, but not very practical.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Bridge allows for Adobe to consolidate and organize all their product formats under one organization umbrella. LR is specialized. Adding Bridge compliance with all format to LR capabilities make sense as a streamlined organizer/digital editor.

LR depends on its big brother PS CC for many specialized edits so... Bridge + LR = brand new Adobe world.

Now, please realize that I am speculating and that I have no proof of what I am advancing. It just seems to be the next logical step in consolidation.

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

Practical? Did you watch it? (Probably not because this topic is only a few minutes old and the presentation is two hours.)

No, all his photos are not on the cloud servers. He keeps 400,000 photos on HDDs. Yes, he rents an extra TB for work in progress and images to be shared.

One of the interesting scenarios involved travel. (Tim Grey says he is on the road half the year.) The work flow goes like this: shoot all day, import and copy to computer at the end of the day, select into a collection, sync the collection, go to bed, get up with all photos on everything he owns. He points out that in coach, you can't use your laptop much anymore. Instead he goes to work during the long flight home on his tablet rating, adjusting and processing. Yes, it works without a internet connection since it synced before takeoff. On landing at the next connection all the tablet work is synced to his computer.

The only rub is that he pays $20 a month instead of $10. (How much did that airline flight cost?)

minniev Loc: MIssissippi

Thank you. I am wanting to develop a workflow that allows me to do some editing on a tablet/some on laptop while traveling and bringing all back into LR Classic for final edit once I'm home with my desktop where all my files, good monitor, backup system and pixel-level editing tools are. I haven't figured out how it may work, but I'm not headed on any trips soon so I have time to experiment. I'll be looking for Tim Grey's tutorial. I don't want to get extra cloud space because I only need to use it temporarily and then would clean most of it out once I have everything moved to the desktop. I could see keeping my images that are for sale or show on the cloud where I could easily show them on the tablet, but the cc version of LR would mostly be temporary projects that get removed once I've completed them.

I hope this conversation develops with other users who might be interested in similar things. I know JD750 is also developing a workflow that uses all versions. There must be others of us here that are trying to puzzle out a strategy.

Rongnongno Loc: FL

On cloud storage... I pay 295 for 24 months (app 12,25 per month) for unlimited storage, unlimited domains, e-mail and all the crap that comes with it.

I do not use this storage for storage at all. When I travel I post encrypted copies of all my travel documents in a private root directory; when I return I delete the whole thing.

Cloud storage is best for sharing, publishing and sometime safe keeping (as in travel).

DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area

I did not watch the presentation, although I may eventually. Thank you for posting the link. That's why I indicated that I assumed, but did not know, that his photos were stored in Adobe's cloud. My initial response regarding practicality was based on the views of several others I've seen on the internet who tried the process of using both Lightroom CC and Lightroom CC Classic together, and concluded it was a cumbersome kludge. After you saw the video, did you think it was a practical process? I'd be happy to be wrong in this case.

It does appear to me that Adobe strongly wants us to rent cloud space from them, and I maintain my view that their storage is enormously overpriced. Consider that you can purchase an 8 TB hard drive for $150 today, and renting 8 TB of space from Adobe for, say, 4 years, would cost $3,840.

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

Dan,

My view had been that the two were not meant to work together. The point of starting the topic was to highlight the idea that using Lightroom CC and Lightroom Classic together is very practical after all. It changed my mind.

The cost of Adobe storage is high. The idea is that it is specialized, value added storage be cause it ties into an system of Adobe products and adds value to them. For example, when you sync your images to the Adobe cloud, artificial intelligence is applied so that you can search for descriptive words without ever having applied keywords. More is going on besides basic storage.

I think you can watch it here but you may have to be a Facebook person: https://www.facebook.com/bheventspace/videos/10159703363450462/

donnahde Loc: Newark, DE

Thank you!! Watching now. He's fun.