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Oct 17, 2018 12:03:44   #
DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca
 
Rather than have to piece together every part/adapter/filter(s)... Something that would be less expensive as a kit/package rather than paying top dollar per piece. But as I look more into this it seems to me that the higher end filters don't offer packages.
speters wrote:
I don't really understand what you mean by a "kit" . Several filters with different stops? You can get universal filter holders (for rectangle filters) from a multitude of manufacturers, and all you need is one or more step-up-rings to fit on different lenses. I myself don't use the holders anymore, as I moved on to just handholding my filters, it is just so much faster!

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Oct 17, 2018 12:24:03   #
DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca
 
Thank you everyone for your input. I tend to lean towards quality so ultimately $ doesn't play a roll in my choice. I'll probably end up getting a starter kit put together and add on over time. I am liking the test results I'm seeing from the Breakthrough product line. Super clean, virtually no vignetting or color cast and the quality is definitely there. Time to go shopping.

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Oct 17, 2018 12:29:12   #
PACSMAN Loc: MA
 
DanielB wrote:
Thank you everyone for your input. I tend to lean towards quality so ultimately $ doesn't play a roll in my choice. I'll probably end up getting a starter kit put together and add on over time. I am liking the test results I'm seeing from the Breakthrough product line. Super clean, virtually no vignetting or color cast and the quality is definitely there. Time to go shopping.


I purchased NISI filters on a recommendation and find them to be of the highest quality. They also have a unique CPL filter is part of the adapter.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1308804-REG/nisi_nip_100_akit_100mm_advanced_kit_with.html?ap=y&gclid=CjwKCAjwu5veBRBBEiwAFTqDwYdWP1nZoXUvzmiPa2fityHV52416inQkTI13jeKQhUPT9a1kabXgBoCi-cQAvD_BwE&smp=y

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Oct 17, 2018 15:44:55   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
DanielB wrote:
Looking for UHH suggestions.
I need to add a ND filter kit to my bag of tricks. I'm looking specifically for a kit that includes adapters preferably one that is a universal fit (if one exists) but if not I'll start with 77mm lens adapter and add from there. I'm looking for a mix of value & quality but I've seen some over 1K +++, no thank you. I would consider dropping $250-300 maybe a little more on a kit. FYI I shoot Canon "L" not that it should make a difference.

Thank you and I look forward to your suggestions.
Looking for UHH suggestions. br I need to add a ... (show quote)


I know you don't want to spend a fortune, but if you buy something that lacks quality and doesn't deliver, even if it is only $300, you have just added $300 to the cost of one that will work for you.

I don't care for graduated ND filters - I rarely come across situations where there is a clear straight line horizon where I would want to darken part of the composition. There are trees, mountains, buildings, rocks etc that jut into the area I am attempting to darken and these intrusions will have to be addressed in post processing.

That being said, if I were to buy a system I would likely end up with this:

http://www.winecountry.camera/

https://fstoppers.com/architecture/fstoppers-reviews-wine-country-camera-filters-best-class-256068

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1397677-REG/wine_country_camera_100mstr77_100x100mm_master_5_filter_kit.html?ap=y&gclid=CjwKCAjwu5veBRBBEiwAFTqDwRk0ZHJMLHjR2xKFOKaaO9okxt5m1bzDGgpgOFZQkNTRreWDPpPt2hoCXA4QAvD_BwE&smp=y

At $1100 for a basic set of 4 Blackstone filters and the best holder in the business, it's not cheap. But it just oozes quality and precision. The other stuff is bush-league. No holder I've used or seen does a filter stack as well as this one.

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Oct 17, 2018 18:09:32   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Daniel, remember one thing. Once that filter is put in front of your lens it becomes part of the optical system through which you are shooting your photographs. Quality is very important.
--Bob
DanielB wrote:
Looking for UHH suggestions.
I need to add a ND filter kit to my bag of tricks. I'm looking specifically for a kit that includes adapters preferably one that is a universal fit (if one exists) but if not I'll start with 77mm lens adapter and add from there. I'm looking for a mix of value & quality but I've seen some over 1K +++, no thank you. I would consider dropping $250-300 maybe a little more on a kit. FYI I shoot Canon "L" not that it should make a difference.

Thank you and I look forward to your suggestions.
Looking for UHH suggestions. br I need to add a ... (show quote)

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Oct 17, 2018 19:00:45   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Gene51 wrote:
I know you don't want to spend a fortune, but if you buy something that lacks quality and doesn't deliver, even if it is only $300, you have just added $300 to the cost of one that will work for you.

I don't care for graduated ND filters - I rarely come across situations where there is a clear straight line horizon where I would want to darken part of the composition. There are trees, mountains, buildings, rocks etc that jut into the area I am attempting to darken and these intrusions will have to be addressed in post processing.

That being said, if I were to buy a system I would likely end up with this:

http://www.winecountry.camera/

https://fstoppers.com/architecture/fstoppers-reviews-wine-country-camera-filters-best-class-256068

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1397677-REG/wine_country_camera_100mstr77_100x100mm_master_5_filter_kit.html?ap=y&gclid=CjwKCAjwu5veBRBBEiwAFTqDwRk0ZHJMLHjR2xKFOKaaO9okxt5m1bzDGgpgOFZQkNTRreWDPpPt2hoCXA4QAvD_BwE&smp=y

At $1100 for a basic set of 4 Blackstone filters and the best holder in the business, it's not cheap. But it just oozes quality and precision. The other stuff is bush-league. No holder I've used or seen does a filter stack as well as this one.
I know you don't want to spend a fortune, but if y... (show quote)


Unless you are doing high volume high precision work, $1,000 plus for a filter set could be throwing your money away. You need to first do a cost/benefit analysis and consider that Photoshop allows you to do almost the same thing as a graduated ND filter without the expense and little if any loss of image quality. If you really do need graduated ND filters on the camera and have a high budget, I would still start by trying a less expensive alternative. Buy or rent a single low end Cokin ($40 ea.), Lee ($120 - $150 ea.) and one or two other brands of 2x4" filters. Then I would test them under the same conditions on the same subject(s). It pays to test first. My rule is that the more it costs, the more it makes sense to test first if possible; even if it costs more to do so.

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Oct 17, 2018 19:16:27   #
wesm Loc: Los Altos CA
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
A kit may sound like a good idea, but in the end you will probably end up only using a few of them. The best thing would be to figure out which ones you really want, and then buy good quality. You can always buy another one later, when you decide you need it. The most useful are the Graduated ND filters, and there are some interesting variations to consider. First there is how dark do you want to go - usually darker is better, because if you don't need darker, you can probably get a decent image straight out of the camera! Second, do you want one that starts dark at one end, and goes to clear at the other? Or do you want one that starts dark in the middle and goes to clear at both ends? Solid ND filters decrease the amount of light that enters the camera, but you could do that by changing exposure settings! More useful would be a circular polarizer, but you would need one for each different size of lens that you want to use it with.

Everyone has their brand preference, mine is B+H for the circular polarizer, and for the Grad ND I like Singh Ray Galen Rowell, which are rectangular. Like SPeters, I hand-hold them. Starting out, I also had holders and adapters, but they are just as easy to use and faster when hand-held. It takes a little practice, to make sure you are covering the whole lens, but allows you to switch from the filter for one image, and then immediately to shooting without it for another image. I think the only time the holder/adapter might be useful is if you want to stack filters, but even that can be done hand-held!
A kit may sound like a good idea, but in the end y... (show quote)


Typically, I'll use an ND filter because I want a long exposure. Sometimes, the light is so bright that I can't just close down the aperture and speed up the shutter, and still get the effect I want. Regarding hand-holding the filters, I would try it in a pinch, but I'm leery of any vibration being transmitted from me to the camera. I'm ambivalent about the graduated NDs, most of the things that I shoot that require them don't have nice, straight lines separating the dark from the light exposure regions.

Two good examples: showing a blurred waterfall in bright light (as opposed to freezing the motion of the water), and smoothing the ocean waves at sunset. In brightest lights, I'll use a 10-stop or higher filter.

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Oct 17, 2018 19:19:42   #
wesm Loc: Los Altos CA
 
Gene51 wrote:

http://www.winecountry.camera/

https://fstoppers.com/architecture/fstoppers-reviews-wine-country-camera-filters-best-class-256068

At $1100 for a basic set of 4 Blackstone filters and the best holder in the business, it's not cheap. But it just oozes quality and precision. The other stuff is bush-league. No holder I've used or seen does a filter stack as well as this one.


I got one. Do you have any problems with the (square) filter vault actually falling out if it's placed next to the lens, and you are rotating the housing?

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Oct 17, 2018 21:24:29   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
wesm wrote:
I got one. Do you have any problems with the (square) filter vault actually falling out if it's placed next to the lens, and you are rotating the housing?


Not at all, but I don't own this. I just reviewed it for a friend who was interested in my opinion of it. I am also familiar with NISI, Lee, Cokin, etc.

Personally I don't GND, just ND, and I use Hoya screw on 77mm filters.

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Oct 17, 2018 21:27:27   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
bpulv wrote:
Unless you are doing high volume high precision work, $1,000 plus for a filter set could be throwing your money away. You need to first do a cost/benefit analysis and consider that Photoshop allows you to do almost the same thing as a graduated ND filter without the expense and little if any loss of image quality. If you really do need graduated ND filters on the camera and have a high budget, I would still start by trying a less expensive alternative. Buy or rent a single low end Cokin ($40 ea.), Lee ($120 - $150 ea.) and one or two other brands of 2x4" filters. Then I would test them under the same conditions on the same subject(s). It pays to test first. My rule is that the more it costs, the more it makes sense to test first if possible; even if it costs more to do so.
Unless you are doing high volume high precision wo... (show quote)


Or you could just have the $$$ and want quality. I find Cokin unacceptable, Lee is pretty decent, but I don't care for their holders.

I use several ND, polarizer and Photoshop - no need for GND.

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Oct 17, 2018 22:14:28   #
GAS496 Loc: Arizona
 
I have owned both Colin and Lee filters. I am currently using and love the quality and versatility of the ProgreyUSA.com system. The “kit” I have designed is simple and provides for use on both my 8x10 view camera and medium format camera. The graduated ND filters are superb and the system is quickly placed on the lens. Everything comes in nice protective pockets for transport and storage and takes up little room in my already stuffed backpacks. Check out the website.

Jerry

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Oct 18, 2018 19:41:47   #
DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca
 
Yes - after some thought I agree with this. Thanks for your input.
SusanFromVermont wrote:
A kit may sound like a good idea, but in the end you will probably end up only using a few of them. The best thing would be to figure out which ones you really want, and then buy good quality. You can always buy another one later, when you decide you need it. The most useful are the Graduated ND filters, and there are some interesting variations to consider. First there is how dark do you want to go - usually darker is better, because if you don't need darker, you can probably get a decent image straight out of the camera! Second, do you want one that starts dark at one end, and goes to clear at the other? Or do you want one that starts dark in the middle and goes to clear at both ends? Solid ND filters decrease the amount of light that enters the camera, but you could do that by changing exposure settings! More useful would be a circular polarizer, but you would need one for each different size of lens that you want to use it with.

Everyone has their brand preference, mine is B+H for the circular polarizer, and for the Grad ND I like Singh Ray Galen Rowell, which are rectangular. Like SPeters, I hand-hold them. Starting out, I also had holders and adapters, but they are just as easy to use and faster when hand-held. It takes a little practice, to make sure you are covering the whole lens, but allows you to switch from the filter for one image, and then immediately to shooting without it for another image. I think the only time the holder/adapter might be useful is if you want to stack filters, but even that can be done hand-held!
A kit may sound like a good idea, but in the end y... (show quote)

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Oct 18, 2018 19:44:17   #
DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca
 
rmalarz wrote:
Daniel, remember one thing. Once that filter is put in front of your lens it becomes part of the optical system through which you are shooting your photographs. Quality is very important.
--Bob

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Oct 18, 2018 19:47:10   #
DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca
 
In regards to using PS to do the same thing - it is limited. I find that photoshop will start to make some scenes start to look muddy. It's not perfect thus I'd rather do it on camera with a GND.
Gene51 wrote:
Or you could just have the $$$ and want quality. I find Cokin unacceptable, Lee is pretty decent, but I don't care for their holders.

I use several ND, polarizer and Photoshop - no need for GND.

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Oct 18, 2018 23:27:51   #
GAS496 Loc: Arizona
 
Once again rmalarz could not be more right. We spend a lot of time and money researching and obtaining our lens all in an effort to produce the best images possible. I would never consider putting just any filter in front of my Schneider, Rodenstock or Zeiss lens’. That is why I use only B&W, Heliopan, or Progrey ND filters.

It is absolutely amazing the detail you can obtain using good glass, filters and camera craft. The first time I realized this I was looking at an 8x10 negative on the light table with a 10 power loop. About 1/4 mile down the street was a telephone pole. I could read the small serial numbers embossed in aluminum on the pole. I was blown away. It was then that I realized how important a contribution good quality equipment was to producing a sharp image. Our systems are only as good as their weakest link.

Jerry

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