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Sep 20, 2018 10:22:09   #
wds0410 Loc: Nunya
 
Gene51 wrote:
Well, as much as I admire EW, I think he may be off on this one.

I go to the musician analogy.


A beginner at the guitar can never appreciate all the qualities - both visual and tonal - of a $4000 Martin CEO-8-2e, but it will be far easier for the beginner to play than the $50 Walmart special because it is precisely tunable and the action is quite easy. I am not suggesting that every beginner get $4000 guitar, but no beginner should start out with the $50 one either. There is a middle ground on price for ownership, and usually a low cost rental option that works as well. When the skill level increases, so should the quality of the instrument.

Photography gear is no different. Usually people start out with a modest camera and lens(es) and work their way up. As you improve your skills, or develop specific interests in subject matter, the original purchase may not suit their needs. It has nothing to do with mastery - but all to do with focus (pun intended). One does not need to have a full, in-depth understanding of a camera and a kit lens to know that they won't get amazing results when shooting high school football in a dimly lit stadium, or indoors at a birthday party with a combination of light - including the pop-up flash. So they start their quest for better results. Of course there is technique that needs to be addressed, but even with good technique, an inadequate camera can be an obstacle to getting quality images.

The other important component is the marketplace. Every year brings new gear. Digital cameras have been on a very fast R&D cycle, with improvements in sensor technology (higher res, less noise, better color), handing (faster processors, bigger buffers, ergonomics, etc), size, etc. The R&D on lenses is a little slower, but in many cases, the new stuff is discernibly better than the old stuff. Or cheaper. Or lighter. Or more resistant to poor environmental conditions. This constant advance of technology, coupled with the advancement of skill level and creative desires, is often what leads to GAS.

Of course, there is the other very human part - it's exciting to get new toys! And many people who get the new toys or gadgets often figure out how to best used them. I have yet to know of any working photographer that shoots in the field and/or studio and doesn't have a small warehouse of "stuff" for the job.

The other thing is that "stuff" breaks and routinely needs to be either repaired or replaced. An excellent opportunity to replace with newer, better gear. GAS has it's place and there is nothing wrong with it. And you don't have to master what you have to "merit" something new and better. You just have to be able to afford it.
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Bingo! Nail on the head! What he said!

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Sep 20, 2018 10:27:52   #
mgoldfield
 
GAS496 wrote:
Edward Weston had a great quote about some photographers and their GAS.

“The fact is that relatively few photographers ever master their medium. Instead they allow the medium to master them and go on an endless squirrel cage chase from new lens to new paper to new developer to new gadget, never staying with one piece of equipment long enough to learn its full capacities, becoming lost in a maze of technical information that is of little or no use since they don’t know what to do with it.”-Edward Weston

This quote could not be any more accurate today as it was decades ago when he said it.
Edward Weston had a great quote about some photogr... (show quote)

100% accurate!

Proof positive every day on these pages.

M. Goldfield

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Sep 20, 2018 10:35:49   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
GAS496 wrote:
Edward Weston had a great quote about some photographers and their GAS.

“The fact is that relatively few photographers ever master their medium. Instead they allow the medium to master them and go on an endless squirrel cage chase from new lens to new paper to new developer to new gadget, never staying with one piece of equipment long enough to learn its full capacities, becoming lost in a maze of technical information that is of little or no use since they don’t know what to do with it.”-Edward Weston

This quote could not be any more accurate today as it was decades ago when he said it.
Edward Weston had a great quote about some photogr... (show quote)



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Sep 20, 2018 10:37:50   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Who in this world could possibly argue with that? Many cameras and lens purchases are made in many cases based on what we hear from someone else or from the many reviewers in You Tube. We have to understand that we are all different and what could be a masterpiece for some will not meet the demands of others.

Case in point is the 17mm f2.8 Zuiko lens for the micro fourth thirds systems. I have not found one single positive review in the Internet and all reviewers mention poor optical quality and lots of chromatic aberration and instead, in my hands the lens has been an excellent performer that I use often. I tried to sell the lens for only one reason, I have the 12-40 f2.8 Pro that I can use also at 17mm with the fixed f2.8 aperture. I had many low ball offers and I decided to keep the lens.

I have seen many times that a person buys a lens or camera and practically immediately it is in the market for sale. Many times that happens because there was another piece of gear that got excellent reviews and obviously we tend to look for the "newest and better." I am sure I do not have to mention how often we see someone looking for the "sharpest" lens when all modern lenses are sharp enough and sharpness depends more on us than on the gear we use. We do our part and the gear does its part to perfection.

It became customary to say that the old 24-120 Nikon lens was sub optimal. I bought one second hand and I NEVER had a complaint regarding quality. I shoot a wedding in one occasion with it and the couple was delighted with the enlargements I made from it.
I have always been a proponent of using what we have till we become thoroughly familiar with it. If one familiar with our gear we find that there are certain features the lens or camera lacks and we need those features then we know it is time to buy something else. All I have and use is old but I get from my gear the effort I put on it as I use it. I guess a 105mm f2.5 from 1967, single coated lens, is what could be considered old and instead the lens continues to give me outstanding portraits IF I do my part.

Seems to me Edward Weston was talking the Bible.

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Sep 20, 2018 10:54:15   #
karno Loc: Chico ,California
 
Edward Weston nor anyone else on this site will control my decisions of what I need.
It is part of being a so called adult.
And I am surely not going to suggest an armature should not own a phase one if they want and have the money then that is there fortune.
I believe people delve to deep into what others are doing in this world and that is more of a distraction from there own art then buying new equipment.

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Sep 20, 2018 11:08:16   #
Sally D
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Very true, should be the motto for all of us. When you get to the point where you master your kit 100%, time to upgrade.


Well, I for one won’t be upgrading for a long, long time if that’s the case. And I do agree with you.

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Sep 20, 2018 11:19:16   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
GAS496 wrote:
Edward Weston had a great quote about some photographers and their GAS.

“The fact is that relatively few photographers ever master their medium. Instead they allow the medium to master them and go on an endless squirrel cage chase from new lens to new paper to new developer to new gadget, never staying with one piece of equipment long enough to learn its full capacities, becoming lost in a maze of technical information that is of little or no use since they don’t know what to do with it.”-Edward Weston

This quote could not be any more accurate today as it was decades ago when he said it.
Edward Weston had a great quote about some photogr... (show quote)


Brilliant. MOST of photography's greatest images are/were made by people who think the same way.

It's not about the medium, it's about the MESSAGE. Use whatever gear you have to "say" something worth seeing! Move me, teach me, help me remember, change my mood, inform me, inspire me... I won't care WHAT you use. I promise!

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Sep 20, 2018 12:18:14   #
Georgeski
 
Right on!! --you can see it in people rushing the get the latest and greatest camera body filled with features that probably will hardly be used!!

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Sep 20, 2018 12:29:51   #
Shutterbug57
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
you can always buy a newer, "better" camera, but how do you really know when you "need it?"


Not saying I have mastered anything, but I have upgraded gear as follows:

Fuji fixed lens to D70s - mostly shutter lag issues shooting sports

D70s to D200 - more pixels 6 MP to 10 MP helped when shooting field sports.

D200 to D500 - low light capabilities for night and indoor HS sports

Then there have been a couple just for fun. I have bought 2 MILC cameras this year:

The Fuji X-T2 for a light travel kit. For business travel.

The Intrepid 4x5 with a Nikkor 150/5.6 W lens. Simply for fun. Who would have thunk a MILC would have no autofocus, no metering, no touch screen (but it has a big screen) and no EVF.

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Sep 20, 2018 12:46:46   #
GAS496 Loc: Arizona
 
Don’t get me wrong I love the feeling of getting a new lens or camera too. I shoot film exclusively and have stayed with the same film, developer and paper combinations unless I am forced to change because one of the equation is no longer available.

I have watched my digital friends do the same when they found the printer, ink, paper combination they like. I can understand their desire to upgrade to a camera, lens combination with higher and sharper resolution.

Weston’s words are just a reminder to us all to use what we have to its potential.

As an amateur with an “unlimited” photography budget many years ago I was able to buy the best 8x10 camera on the market an Ebony SV810E and several Rodenstock and Schneider aspheric lens’. I took a workshop with one of the world’s most renounced large format photographers in Sedona AZ. He took out his very old beat up Kodak 8x10 and equally ancient uncoated lens’. I almost felt ashamed when he asked to see my camera. He said he had never seen an Ebony before. This was fifteen years ago. I will never master the medium and am happy I have the equipment I do now since being retired I can no longer afford this level of quality and enjoy the effort of creating beautiful images with it.

So while I get many of the comments about the desire for new equipment and we all have GAS Weston’s very wise words are just a reminder to use what we have to its fullest potential and his other quote about the most important part of the system is the “twelve inches behind the camera” is spot on.

And by the way GAS are my initials. Funny thing is when I signed up to UHH I did not know they stood for something else.

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Sep 20, 2018 13:06:03   #
mkiegold86 Loc: New York, NY. U.S.A.
 
Its like when someone asked Ansel Adams what his most important piece of equipment was, His answer, "MY Eyes"...

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Sep 20, 2018 13:27:29   #
Anhanga Brasil Loc: Cabo Frio - Brazil
 
Maybe I am wrong or out of context, but I would like my camera to
allow double/multiple exposures. I own a couple of Cokin filters that
are designed for that purpose. My old Nikon FM2 has such a resource...
I do not care for LED displays that can be moved or built-in effects, etc.
I have a Canon EOS T6w ("let's send those to Brazil. They can't afford
anything better" - )
If I recall correctly, Weston could estimate candles/ft² quite well. Read it
somewhere (one of Adams' books ?).

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Sep 20, 2018 13:41:43   #
trainlee Loc: Cape Cod, MA
 
Ahhh. My new Fujifilm X-T3 sits in it's box at my feet. I had an X-T2 for one week before the 3 was announced. I was able to trade it in at 100% of what I paid.
With that, my kit lens and my new 100-400, I'm ready to chase the examples (in concept) of the masters, Adams and Weston. I'm all gassed up!

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Sep 20, 2018 13:59:57   #
henrycrafter Loc: Orem Utah
 
Creativity is a process and after you hve learned all you can about the camera that you have it would seem to me that then is when you are able to really get creative whith the images you capture.

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Sep 20, 2018 14:42:29   #
Daryl New Loc: Wellington,New Zealand
 
True,amazing how the more things change, the less they do....

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