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Sep 11, 2018 13:58:56   #
le boecere
 
hammond wrote:
Mirrorless will save you on size but you should be fully aware of the battery limitations. Depending on where you're traveling this may have more affect than you expect... case in point that I'm currently on a 10 day trek through Nepal with very unreliable access to power outlets. My DSLR has lasted 5 days on 2 batteries and my friend's Sony Mirrorless has been 2 days without power even though he started with 4 batteries ( = no pics).


Your remark is very current and experiential vs. armchair theory. THANK YOU.

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Sep 11, 2018 14:05:00   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
sinderone wrote:
On my recent trip to Europe, I came to the conclusion that while I love the results, my D7100 plus lenses is just getting to heavy to shlep around. So now it’s time to decide what’s next. Point and shoot? 4/3’s? Mirrorless? My requirements are these; light, quality results close to my slr, a reasonably long zoom (minimally 200+mm), good low light results, a viewfinder and good reliability. I shoot mostly in aperture and shutter priority.

Suggestions plus pros and cons of each type?

Thanks in advance.
On my recent trip to Europe, I came to the conclus... (show quote)


Realize a MILC with a long or "big" lens would not be much weight savings over a corresponding APS-C or Full Frame DSLR. And think about one with some sort of viewfinder and not just a back display screen you can't see in bright sunlight. On the positive, they take great images from what I read and you can possibly use lenses with various mounts. But I've never tried one yet.

You might look for a good P&S or Rangefinder with up to an APS-C sensor and zoom lens that covers your needs.

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Sep 11, 2018 14:11:09   #
AndyT Loc: Hampstead, New Hampshire
 
rjaywallace wrote:
Consider the Fuji X-T2 (or the new X-T3 flagship) paired with the Fuji XF 18-135mm lens (27 to 203mm equiv.).
The X-T2’s large APS-C sensor is far superior to that of the M4/3 cameras. The camera has numerous creative settings, including Fuji’s popular Film Simulations. Good luck with making your choice. — Ralph


Ralph is on the money. I too have the Fuji X-T2 with their 18-135 lens and couldn't be happier.

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Sep 11, 2018 14:20:25   #
le boecere
 
AndyT wrote:
Ralph is on the money. I too have the Fuji X-T2 with their 18-135 lens and couldn't be happier.


I especially like Ralph and Andy's advice for anyone with a DSLR background. The higher-end Fujifilm X-cameras seem very familiar, with physical controls and a menu that's easy to understand. And..for me, the seldom mentioned "in camera RAW converter" is just plain "fun".

https://alikgriffin.com/fujifilm-jpeg-with-the-raw-converter/

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Sep 11, 2018 15:00:17   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
davyboy wrote:
M 4/3 sensor is not that much smaller and you will not be able to see any difference in pic quality maybe low but not IQ


The Micro 4/3 sensor is BIGGER than a 1" sensor. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2016/01/camera-sensor-size.html

The 20 MP m43 sensor used in the flagship Panasonic and Olympus cameras is made by Sony. It has about one stop less low light performance than the best (Sony) APS-C sensors, and about two stops less low light performance than the best (Sony) full frame sensors. However...

THAT SAID, both Panasonic and Olympus have excellent image stabilization systems. Panasonic's is Dual IS II, which uses in-body AND in-lens stabilizers (with the right lenses). Olympus is most often in-body. Each has its advantages. The net result is that you can use up to 6.5 stops slower shutter speeds without camera shake issues. Stabilization won't stop subject motion blur, but does limit camera shake.

m43 has a wide range of bodies from which to choose. There are dSLR-like form factors, and rangefinder-like form factors. The better ones have electronic viewfinders. The cheaper ones don't. (Avoid those.)

I've been a Panasonic Lumix GH4 Micro 4/3 user for several years now. I used to use APS-C Canons, DX Nikons, and full frame Canons. I'm very glad I switched, mostly because I can now do everything I need to do for both still and video photography with one small system that fits under an airline seat.

The entire Oly-Panny lens system goes from 7.5mm to 400mm, which in full frame terms, is the equivalent field of view of 14mm to 800mm. Canon EF lenses are the most adaptable with the least loss of automation, provided you use the right adapter, just in case you ever want to do that.

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Sep 11, 2018 15:11:22   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Realize a MILC with a long or "big" lens would not be much weight savings over a corresponding APS-C or Full Frame DSLR. And think about one with some sort of viewfinder and not just a back display screen you can't see in bright sunlight. On the positive, they take great images from what I read and you can possibly use lenses with various mounts. But I've never tried one yet.

You might look for a good P&S or Rangefinder with up to an APS-C sensor and zoom lens that covers your needs.
Realize a MILC with a long or "big" lens... (show quote)


Compare the 985 gram weight of an $1800 LUMIX G LEICA DG VARIO-ELMAR Lens, 100-400mm, F4.0-6.3 ASPH., Professional Micro Four Thirds, POWER Optical I.S. - H-RS100400 with the 1570 gram weight of the $2000 Canon 100-400mm F4.5-5.6L IS USM Mark II. Then note that with the 2X crop factor of Micro 4/3, the Leica has an equivalent full frame focal length of 200mm to 800mm!

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Sep 11, 2018 15:25:36   #
le boecere
 
burkphoto wrote:
The Micro 4/3 sensor is BIGGER than a 1" sensor. http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2016/01/camera-sensor-size.html

The 20 MP m43 sensor used in the flagship Panasonic and Olympus cameras is made by Sony. It has about one stop less low light performance than the best (Sony) APS-C sensors, and about two stops less low light performance than the best (Sony) full frame sensors. However...

THAT SAID, both Panasonic and Olympus have excellent image stabilization systems. Panasonic's is Dual IS II, which uses in-body AND in-lens stabilizers (with the right lenses). Olympus is most often in-body. Each has its advantages. The net result is that you can use up to 6.5 stops slower shutter speeds without camera shake issues. Stabilization won't stop subject motion blur, but does limit camera shake.

m43 has a wide range of bodies from which to choose. There are dSLR-like form factors, and rangefinder-like form factors. The better ones have electronic viewfinders. The cheaper ones don't. (Avoid those.)

I've been a Panasonic Lumix GH4 Micro 4/3 user for several years now. I used to use APS-C Canons, DX Nikons, and full frame Canons. I'm very glad I switched, mostly because I can now do everything I need to do for both still and video photography with one small system that fits under an airline seat.

The entire Oly-Panny lens system goes from 7.5mm to 400mm, which in full frame terms, is the equivalent field of view of 14mm to 800mm. Canon EF lenses are the most adaptable with the least loss of automation, provided you use the right adapter, just in case you ever want to do that.
The Micro 4/3 sensor is BIGGER than a 1" sens... (show quote)


Bill, thank you for another lucid contribution. I'd forgotten about Mike's article and find it quite informative, even though it's two years old. The chart he shows indicates there's quite a difference 'twixt the FF/APS-C sensor (commonly found in DSLR's) and the 1/2.3" sensor ~ causing me to doubt that the "Sony HX90V, ...............gives .. true DSLR results", as posted on this thread, earlier.

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Sep 11, 2018 15:38:02   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
In 2017 I changed from a Canon 5D MK II to Olympus OM-D EM 1 MK II. I also purchased the Olympus 12-100 f4 and the Panasonic/Leica 100-400. The 12-100 is a terrific walk around lens and unless I am shooting birds or wildlife it my go to lens.

Truthfully, there are a number of options as mentioned in other posts above. I just liked the Olympus....feel and size and reputation for quality cameras and lenses.

Good luck with your search, the fun part, and your decision.

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Sep 11, 2018 15:53:34   #
wildweasel
 
MrBob wrote:
Moonhawk is absolutely right.... 12-100 on the MII will give you a one lens, one body solution with double IS if used with the mark II. Superb sharpness and an equiv. FF 24-200 FOV. What more can you ask for.....

I moved from a Nikon D750 and a Tamron 150-600 lens for the very same reason as you. I went with the Olympus EM 1 Mark ll and I have the 12-100 F/4 pro lens and the Panasonic Leica 100-400 and it does what I need for my landscape and wildlife shooting. As others here have said, the Zuiko 12-100 F/4 pro is a very sharp lens. Image stabilization on the EM 1 Mark ll is really good, and I regularly shoot shots at 3200 iso with no issues. Hope this helps.

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Sep 11, 2018 15:55:35   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
Same problem so I switched to a micro 4/3s, an Olympus OMD e-Mark 5 II. I LOVE it! I first leaned about the OMD from a Nat Geo photographer who did a workshop I attended. I had a d7000 but with all the lenses, it was just too much. Now I have a larger range of lenses and everything combined weighs as much as my d7000 and my 70-200 f/4 lens. I love the image quality, weathersealed, the in-camera 5-axis stabilization! I could go on and on! Everyone will have a favorite. Best bet is to go to a local camera shop and hold them in your hands.

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Sep 11, 2018 16:29:37   #
aphelps Loc: Central Ohio
 
sinderone wrote:
On my recent trip to Europe, I came to the conclusion that while I love the results, my D7100 plus lenses is just getting to heavy to shlep around. So now it’s time to decide what’s next. Point and shoot? 4/3’s? Mirrorless? My requirements are these; light, quality results close to my slr, a reasonably long zoom (minimally 200+mm), good low light results, a viewfinder and good reliability. I shoot mostly in aperture and shutter priority.

Suggestions plus pros and cons of each type?

Thanks in advance.
On my recent trip to Europe, I came to the conclus... (show quote)

I reached the same point a couple of years back. Went with Olympus u4/3. I found it met all of my needs and much more. Oly lenses are excellent optics. You will appreciate the compact size and relatively light weight of their longer tele zooms. Give them a look and perhaps borrow or rent to see if you like it.

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Sep 11, 2018 17:05:35   #
Nosaj Loc: Sarasota, Florida
 
sinderone wrote:
On my recent trip to Europe, I came to the conclusion that while I love the results, my D7100 plus lenses is just getting to heavy to shlep around. So now it’s time to decide what’s next. Point and shoot? 4/3’s? Mirrorless? My requirements are these; light, quality results close to my slr, a reasonably long zoom (minimally 200+mm), good low light results, a viewfinder and good reliability. I shoot mostly in aperture and shutter priority.

Suggestions plus pros and cons of each type?

Thanks in advance.
On my recent trip to Europe, I came to the conclus... (show quote)


Canon G 3X with eye piece — meets all your requirements and then some.

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Sep 11, 2018 17:24:24   #
nhastings Loc: Telluride, CO
 
rjaywallace wrote:
Consider the Fuji X-T2 (or the new X-T3 flagship) paired with the Fuji XF 18-135mm lens (27 to 203mm equiv.).
The X-T2’s large APS-C sensor is far superior to that of the M4/3 cameras. The camera has numerous creative settings, including Fuji’s popular Film Simulations. Good luck with making your choice. — Ralph


Right on! Couldn't have put it any better myself. At least look into the Fuji products. You mention Image Quality as being important in your decision. Fuji cameras and especially the lenses are very good. Good luck.

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Sep 11, 2018 17:41:21   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
nhastings wrote:
Right on! Couldn't have put it any better myself. At least look into the Fuji products. You mention Image Quality as being important in your decision. Fuji cameras and especially the lenses are very good. Good luck.


Another vote for Fuji. An XE-3, XT-3, XT-2 or even an XE-2 paired with one of Fuji’s excelllent quality zooms or primes is a high IQ, lightweight package with excellent controls/ergonomics. Like all MLs, the battery life will be substantially less than a DSLR, so extra batteries are a must for extended shooting.

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Sep 11, 2018 18:19:40   #
le boecere
 
nhastings wrote:
Right on! Couldn't have put it any better myself. At least look into the Fuji products. You mention Image Quality as being important in your decision. Fuji cameras and especially the lenses are very good. Good luck.


Your advice (and I completely agree with it): "At least look into the Fuji products."

When I'm talking to the typical "man on the street" about cameras, it's like telling Ford-Chevy-Chrysler people about "them funny little furrin' cars". They might know about Canon and Nikon, and maybe they even know the name "Sony", but Fujifilm and the others are "them funny little furrin' things".

(from what I can gather, Europe and Asia are much more up to date)

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