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Sep 5, 2018 22:36:38   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
GrandmaG wrote:
You DO have a dilemma!! I think if you count the votes, a movable screen of any kind trumps a touch screen!


It would seem that way, then, wouldn't it, G? ... Okay, then ... the Pentax K-70 is IN, and the Nikon D7500 is OUT!

Case closed!!!!

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Sep 5, 2018 23:01:37   #
Mr Bill 2011 Loc: southern Indiana
 
I much prefer the articulated screen; in fact, on my cameras with touch screens, I turn them off. Otherwise, when I want to take a pic, I find the focus point usually is in the top right corner where my thumb hits the screen.

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Sep 5, 2018 23:27:25   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Mr Bill 2011 wrote:
I much prefer the articulated screen; in fact, on my cameras with touch screens, I turn them off. Otherwise, when I want to take a pic, I find the focus point usually is in the top right corner where my thumb hits the screen.


Yes, I've noticed that, Bill - especially with my Nikons. However, only one of the five sports a Touch Screen, the others don't. And, yet - all three of the red ones (D3200, D5300, D5500 - touch) suffer from the same malady. So, I'm not too sure it's caused by the Touch capability (although, that may be the case with yours) but is somehow linked to the settings you should choose to use - whether you go with follow-focus, or decide to set the device to always pinpoint the middle, albeit, at the sacrifice of some Focus Points. Some use 9, some 11, some 19, some use 39, some use 51 ... the more you abandon - the less chance you have of having a sharp picture, throughout. The secret is to find a setting, which congregates the most focus points towards the center, in a more-or-less - fixed position. Once you've done that, your floating focus points, will stop visiting seaports!!!!


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Sep 5, 2018 23:58:00   #
Mr Bill 2011 Loc: southern Indiana
 
Chris T wrote:
Yes, I've noticed that, Bill - especially with my Nikons. However, only one of the five sports a Touch Screen, the others don't. And, yet - all three of the red ones (D3200, D5300, D5500 - touch) suffer from the same malady. So, I'm not too sure it's caused by the Touch capability (although, that may be the case with yours) but is somehow linked to the settings you should choose to use - whether you go with follow-focus, or decide to set the device to always pinpoint the middle, albeit, at the sacrifice of some Focus Points. Some use 9, some 11, some 19, some use 39, some use 51 ... the more you abandon - the less chance you have of having a sharp picture, throughout. The secret is to find a setting, which congregates the most focus points towards the center, in a more-or-less - fixed position. Once you've done that, your floating focus points, will stop visiting seaports!!!!

Yes, I've noticed that, Bill - especially with my ... (show quote)


I have 2 Canons, a Nikon, and now a Panasonic ZS100, so they're all different. Typically I have it set to an area focus in the center; if I use spot focus the pooint may be elsewhere, but since I put it there, I know where it is. I guess I'm old fashioned in that I prefer dials and buttons, and making changes for myself and not depending on "automatic" crap.

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Sep 6, 2018 00:05:07   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Mr Bill 2011 wrote:
I have 2 Canons, a Nikon, and now a Panasonic ZS100, so they're all different. Typically I have it set to an area focus in the center; if I use spot focus the pooint may be elsewhere, but since I put it there, I know where it is. I guess I'm old fashioned in that I prefer dials and buttons, and making changes for myself and not depending on "automatic" crap.


Isn't a Lumix ZS100 automatic, Bill?


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Sep 6, 2018 00:24:18   #
Mr Bill 2011 Loc: southern Indiana
 
Chris T wrote:
Isn't a Lumix ZS100 automatic, Bill?



actually I have almost everything set as close to manual as I can get, except for shutter priority. Just got it Friday used from B&H and I'm still trying to figure it out; manual and menus are much more complicated than either Canon or Nikon.

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Sep 6, 2018 00:45:30   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Mr Bill 2011 wrote:
actually I have almost everything set as close to manual as I can get, except for shutter priority. Just got it Friday used from B&H and I'm still trying to figure it out; manual and menus are much more complicated than either Canon or Nikon.


Bill, having bought one to three DSLRs from all of the major APS-C DSLR manufacturers, over the past decade, along with bridges from many, as well, along with odd ones from other companies who don't make DSLRs (Olympus, Panasonic, Fuji) am in the enviable position of having more than a passing familiarity with all camera manufacturers (other than the elite ones, like Leica) and the layout of their menus. I've found - no matter what the design, or the number on the model - the menus stay pretty much the same, whether it's FF, APS-C, MFT, or bridge. Having said that, I will then underscore it by stating I have found the menus in my Panasonic Lumix FZ-70 - fairly simple and straight-forward ... however, it DID take me a little time to get acclimatized. And, whilst they're not as simple as Pentax menus (a blind man could master them in a few hours) they are not anywhere NEAR as complicated as Nikons ... which seem to have a habit of going around and around in circles (and I have 5 of them, and it still baffles me, sometimes.) Canons are easy to master - they use a foolproof and logical L-R side-to-side order. Perhaps, other than Pentax - Canon menus are the easiest to learn. But, Panasonic ones are right up there, too. Not sure what problem you're having. But, if you could lay it out for me, here, perhaps, I could revisit the one on my FZ-70, to see what you're talking about, and we could figure it out, together ....

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Sep 6, 2018 01:16:41   #
Mr Bill 2011 Loc: southern Indiana
 
Chris T wrote:
Bill, having bought one to three DSLRs from all of the major APS-C DSLR manufacturers, over the past decade, along with bridges from many, as well, along with odd ones from other companies who don't make DSLRs (Olympus, Panasonic, Fuji) am in the enviable position of having more than a passing familiarity with all camera manufacturers (other than the elite ones, like Leica) and the layout of their menus. I've found - no matter what the design, or the number on the model - the menus stay pretty much the same, whether it's FF, APS-C, MFT, or bridge. Having said that, I will then underscore it by stating I have found the menus in my Panasonic Lumix FZ-70 - fairly simple and straight-forward ... however, it DID take me a little time to get acclimatized. And, whilst they're not as simple as Pentax menus (a blind man could master them in a few hours) they are not anywhere NEAR as complicated as Nikons ... which seem to have a habit of going around and around in circles (and I have 5 of them, and it still baffles me, sometimes.) Canons are easy to master - they use a foolproof and logical L-R side-to-side order. Perhaps, other than Pentax - Canon menus are the easiest to learn. But, Panasonic ones are right up there, too. Not sure what problem you're having. But, if you could lay it out for me, here, perhaps, I could revisit the one on my FZ-70, to see what you're talking about, and we could figure it out, together ....
Bill, having bought one to three DSLRs from all of... (show quote)


like I wrote, I just got the camera Friday and that's my problem. I'm slowly working my way through the manual which is 400+ pages long.

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Sep 6, 2018 01:28:49   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Mr Bill 2011 wrote:
like I wrote, I just got the camera Friday and that's my problem. I'm slowly working my way through the manual which is 400+ pages long.


Does your Lumix have the Touch Screen, Bill?

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Sep 6, 2018 03:59:06   #
Mr Bill 2011 Loc: southern Indiana
 
Chris T wrote:
Does your Lumix have the Touch Screen, Bill?


It has a touch screen, but I prefer not to use it. Big hands, big fingers, very tiny on screen buttons. I have the touch screens turned off on all my cameras. Definitely not a fan of them.

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Sep 6, 2018 10:11:35   #
Duane Hanley Loc: Milwaukee Wisconsin
 
My Nikon P600 bridge camera has a flip screen and it is a very useful tool. I wish my Nikon D3400 had one.

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Sep 6, 2018 12:05:51   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Duane Hanley wrote:
My Nikon P600 bridge camera has a flip screen and it is a very useful tool. I wish my Nikon D3400 had one.


Yes, it does, Duane. I have that one, too (and the P500 before it - which just had tilt.) Haven't used it in years, though. The batteries seem to have both died, and I haven't got round to ordering any replacements, yet. That design - EN-EL15, is it? ... Seems to be bugged with problems. Complicating things further, Nikon never packed a REAL charger with it - only a pass-thru box for the USB port. They seem to want you to charge it from the PC, whilst you're off-loading pics from the SD card. But, if the battery's exhausted, that won't happen. This is my very first experience with a completely exhausted battery. All the others I use will take a charge till hell freezes over. But the one for the P600 - seems to've been there and back, already. Ditto, for the backup. Have you had similar problems, Duane?

BTW, ONLY the Nikon D5000 series, was ever offered with the Flip-Screen. The D3000 series all have fixed screens. I guess they feel the flip-out design is too advanced, for Beginners to be able to handle? ... However, being fixed, the D3000 series - DOES come with the array of side-buttons, used on the more advanced (and more expensive) Prosumer line of Nikon intermediate DX cameras. So, you win some, you lose some. Thank your lucky stars - Nikon gave you THAT feature, as a consolation.

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Sep 6, 2018 12:22:40   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Mr Bill 2011 wrote:
It has a touch screen, but I prefer not to use it. Big hands, big fingers, very tiny on screen buttons. I have the touch screens turned off on all my cameras. Definitely not a fan of them.


THAT's the problem, you see, Bill. The Touch Screen enables the ability to run through the menus, much easier. Also, some models provide a series of aids, to help you learn the camera, more easily - which are only available, through use of the Touch Screen.

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Sep 6, 2018 19:11:59   #
Duane Hanley Loc: Milwaukee Wisconsin
 
I never had any problems with the batteries or the charger for the p600. In fact I have been using Nikon cameras since the photomic F and I never had any repairs to any of my cameras including the F3HP. A perfect record. Go figure

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Sep 6, 2018 20:01:37   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
My response may be a bit different from others. First, neither feature would be important to me when choosing a camera. If it had either, fine, but I would have no clear preference.

I’ve had a camera with an articulating screen in the past. It was a feature that I found less helpful than touted. Sure, there were a handful of occasions when it was somewhat helpful, but not enough where I would miss the feature were it not there.

I also had a pocket camera with touch screen once. Again, not something I found all that helpful, and at times found downright annoying. I know my present cameras well enough where there is not a significant advantage for me in terms of navigating menus. Indeed, I often found it more difficult in that it was way too easy to hit the wrong spot on the screen and have to back track to get to the correct menu entry.

So, if I had to choose, I’d prefer neither.

Now having said that, I do find some related hardware useful. I often use a CamRanger. It is like an articulated screen in that I can see the cameras view without having to look through the viewfinder (which comes in handy when the camera is at a very low or very high position), as my smartphone or iPad becomes the screen. It (phone) also becomes a touch screen which allows me to control focus point, f stop, shutter duration, manual or priority modes, and trigger the shutter, all while standing a hundred feet aware from my camera! In that case, I basically have a more efficient version of both articulating and touch screen.

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