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Aug 17, 2018 00:17:07   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
burkphoto wrote:
By LCD I'm assuming you mean a panel on the back of the camera, and by through the lens viewing, I'm assuming you mean something you hold close to your eye and look through, much as you would do with a dSLR... A few mirrorless cameras have rather lousy optical viewfinders, but most have electronic viewfinders, or LCDs, or both.

All of the "dSLR form factor" and some of the higher end "rangefinder form factor" MILC or DSLM or EVIL cameras (That's Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera, or Digital Single Lens Mirrorless, or Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens, all common acronyms) have electronic viewfinders. The dSLR form factor cameras tend to have the best implementations of EVFs.

Better mirrorless cameras with an EVF can be programmed to display several different screen layouts on either the rear LED/OLED LCD screen or the EVF. Many have sensors near the eyepiece that automatically switch the view from the rear screen to the viewfinder as you move the camera up to your eye.

The link Linda listed is an excellent description of mirrorless cameras and their technologies.

I would look carefully at Fujifilm, Olympus, Panasonic, and Sony mirrorless gear before buying. Each company makes very different cameras, each of which has a good niche in the market. You can watch all sorts of camera reviews on YouTube, and read in-depth reviews at http://www.dpreview.com. If you plan to buy one, see if lensrentals.com or borrowlenses.com has it available for rent. Try before you buy. The interfaces are all different!
By LCD I'm assuming you mean a panel on the back o... (show quote)


This is expert advice.

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Aug 17, 2018 00:18:17   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
MT Shooter wrote:
"Mirrorless" LITERALLY means there is NO through the lens viewing capability. No mirror, no SLR.


You say that like it is a bad thing?

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Aug 17, 2018 00:23:29   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
mizzee wrote:
Olympus OMD e-Mark 5 II. I adore this camera. I loved my Nikon, but I love this one more.


I resemble that remark!

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Aug 17, 2018 00:31:39   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Vern L wrote:
There are two major disadvantages to EVF's: They are poor in bright light and they are poor with moving subjects, such as sports or grandkids.


First EVFs are superior in bright light over DSLR LCDs, because looking through the eyepiece shuts out ambient bright light. And second The EVF shows you a WYSIWYG view of what the image will look like when you press the shutter, including color (with appropriare camera settings). Is this a bad thing?

Re moving subjects, this was a big problem years ago but technology has move ahead and it it not as much of a concern today.

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Sep 1, 2018 12:38:59   #
JimRPhoto Loc: Raleigh NC
 
Good discussion. I have an Olympus Pen-F mirrorless, as a more transportable (by airplane travel) than my FF DLSR. The main issue I have with the EVF is the lag. If I want to shoot two photos quickly, I have to wait for the "frozen" image in the viewfinder to disappear. Even though I adjusted the hold time to zero. I imagine it is "frozen" while saving to the SD card. So I bought a faster SD card, 80MP/s write card, but the problem, although better, is still there. Often I miss the second shot. The DSLR viewfinder does not pose this problem. JimR

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Sep 1, 2018 16:53:37   #
HarryBinNC Loc: Blue Ridge Mtns, No.Carolina, USA
 
Vern L wrote:
There are two major disadvantages to EVF's: They are poor in bright light and they are poor with moving subjects, such as sports or grandkids.


Two misstatements that could have applied to EVFs a few years ago, but certainly do not apply to today's high-end mirrorless cameras. Every time the discussions re EVF vs OVF come up in this in and other forums, there always have to be a few disgruntled luddites that persist in bashing EVFs who are either clueless or are deliberately presenting "facts" that have no basis in reality. As my Granny used to say to her sometimes prevaricating grandkids - "you are full of prunes".

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Sep 1, 2018 17:03:00   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
JimRPhoto wrote:
Good discussion. I have an Olympus Pen-F mirrorless, as a more transportable (by airplane travel) than my FF DLSR. The main issue I have with the EVF is the lag. If I want to shoot two photos quickly, I have to wait for the "frozen" image in the viewfinder to disappear. Even though I adjusted the hold time to zero. I imagine it is "frozen" while saving to the SD card. So I bought a faster SD card, 80MP/s write card, but the problem, although better, is still there. Often I miss the second shot. The DSLR viewfinder does not pose this problem. JimR
Good discussion. I have an Olympus Pen-F mirrorl... (show quote)


On my GH4, I can turn "Auto Review Time" completely OFF. (The setting is called 'OFF'.) Does the Pen-F have that option?

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Sep 1, 2018 21:09:41   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
JimRPhoto wrote:
Good discussion. I have an Olympus Pen-F mirrorless, as a more transportable (by airplane travel) than my FF DLSR. The main issue I have with the EVF is the lag. If I want to shoot two photos quickly, I have to wait for the "frozen" image in the viewfinder to disappear. Even though I adjusted the hold time to zero. I imagine it is "frozen" while saving to the SD card. So I bought a faster SD card, 80MP/s write card, but the problem, although better, is still there. Often I miss the second shot. The DSLR viewfinder does not pose this problem. JimR
Good discussion. I have an Olympus Pen-F mirrorl... (show quote)


I could be wrong, but you may need to turn your picture review setting to "off", not just short, to get to where you want to go. I like to shoot a little slower and have kept my review setting on but short. There was a time that I set my former E-M5 to review "off" and it was just like shooting film again except no blackout. No review of what you shot until later. Just a continuous "video" in the viewfinder of what you are shooting. After a while, I realized that was not what I needed or wanted anymore. If the camera was set for high speed shooting and review, I would still see imaging in the viewfinder similar to film days. And with Pro Capture, there is very little worry about ever missing a shot.

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Sep 1, 2018 22:45:56   #
JimRPhoto Loc: Raleigh NC
 
Hello Fellow UHH'ers who commented. I did discover the way to turn off the preview altogether. Even though I did that several months back, there is still a lag. Not a long one, but enough to prevent following the subject for a second shot. Like a granddaughter swimming in a competition in a pool. When you can again see the subject area, she has moved on and you have to "reacquire" the subject. Now most of my photography is not sports, but rather architectural, street scenes, landscape, where this presents no problem at all. I only point it out because it is different than a DSLR, (and SLR) which I've been using for many many years. JimR.

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