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Aug 28, 2018 10:09:11   #
RolandDieter
 
The pros shooting weddings do not want the other people getting in their way. Remember, if they are truly pros, they will do a good job unless guests mess up their work. I've seen this a lot, especially in the few weddings I shot as a pro. (I hated shooting weddings and only did so for friends who knew my work and begged or couldn't afford a paid photographer.) I do take candid shots at relatives weddings and events, but always stay well out of the pro's way, both in proximity to the pro and out of their lens's line of sight. I never shoot the formal lineups that the pro's stage: they own those. And if no [ictures is requested? ... ask if you can only do candids of your friends at the reception and stay out of the way. The answer is usually "yes."

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Aug 28, 2018 10:11:01   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
As a wedding shooter for most of my 44 years as a pro, I understand why the photographer had that statement put into the program. I cant tell you how many times a family member or zealous guest has stood up and/or blocked me from making that shot of a critical wedding or reception moment, from the first kiss, to walking down the aisle, to that first dance, and cutting the cake. As the official photographers we are getting paid to cover an event, and our clients, the bride and groom expect us as pros to make those shots and more. We can't come back to them later and say, oh sorry I dont have that moment (that will never happen again) because Aunt Ruth or Uncle Charley thought it would be neat to stand up in front of the photographer, or lean into the aisle with their cellphone, blocking the photographer.

I often shoot with a second shooter and also offer video, either by myself or with a dedicated video shooter. We take great pains to coordinate our coverage so everyone of our shooters can have a clear angle for coverage. We can not factor in anyone else who may wish to intrude as a shooter. I also put this statement out or make an announcement to the wedding guests. I also ask if there is anyone that would prefer NOT being in photos, so my crew can avoid taking their photo, that does occur at weddings.

It has nothing to do with any insecurities, but has to do with providing the best , most complete and excellent photos to the couple who has hired us to capture these once in a lifetime moments.. Put your camera and cellphones away, enjoy the wedding and let the hired pros do their jobs. You can get copies later of our excellent and unobstructed work. Cheers
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I see what you are saying and agree those things do happen. But a friend of mine, a professional wedding shooter as well, handled the situation a bit differently in a manner that he was satisfied as were the guests. Before he took staged photos, he asked that anybody wanting to take photos come up and do so now so as not to interfere with the, “official”, photo. His demeanor was friendly while he allowed people to take their pictures from a box Brownie to a Hasselblad. THEN he took his pictures with no interference. He also asked guests when taking photos at the reception to give him some room for his photos. Basically, if he was taking pictures of guests on one side of the room then guests could take photos on the other side. Basically he knew guests were going to take pictures anyway so his thinking was, why not work with them. It worked for him for many years until he retired. As the OP said, pictures were taken anyway.

Dennis

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Aug 28, 2018 10:13:52   #
janiebutz
 
I have seen/heard this at the last few weddings we’ve attended. Sometime after the wedding all the people who might want photos of the event were sent a link to the photographer’s site with all of wedding and reception pics and a price list. I, too, have given an album to the family (usually the parents of the bride or groom) and it has always been received with great appreciation and lots of compliments. I have offered to take candids ahead of time (like what the the bride and her attendents are doing while the photographer is busy with the groom) and pictures of as many guests as possible. One friend had me take a very intentional photo of every guest and their +1 or family which they had printed and included in their thank you notes. I think the key is to get pre-approval.

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Aug 28, 2018 10:16:48   #
sploppert Loc: Rochester, NY
 
As a professional photographer I have in my contract that I am to be the only photographer and if people get in my way I have the right to pack up and leave for breach of contract. I do this not because I'm afraid of others giving pictures to the bride & groom but because I have to work in a tight time frame and I have to get the pictures. I don't like people shooting over my shoulder or getting in my way. Let one person shoot opens the door for everyone with a camera shoot and I never will
get mine because time ran out. I shoot with multilabel lights that can be triggered by others flash and that ruins there shots and wastes my time and batteries. Also if they shoot at the same time as I do they ruin my shot. I'm not there to pose the couple for others to shoot I pose for the couple. I will let the guests take all the pictures they want after I am done. Usually the couple are tired of standing there or are told they have to leave, not my problem. I could care less how many people take pictures at the reception have fun but please stay out of my way.

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Aug 28, 2018 10:37:05   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
You are trying to take some ones job away from them. Plain and simple.

don't take your camera--- enjoy the wedding that some one asked you to come and be part of not employed.

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Aug 28, 2018 10:37:41   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
I didn’t go through all the responses but I was shocked. Lately more folks are taking better photos and video.
My daughter takes good smartphone pix. I am working shooting mostly video and stills for clients. The competition to do it themselves is true. It is just a cultural change and I am ok with the new world.
I have been asked while shooting jobs and events to do weddings. I will not do weddings. Their is a craziness
about today’s weddings that has made them a nightmare. Their are so many group and couple shots that the party gets exhausted. At my sons wedding a few years ago his grandmother fainted from the posing. Brides are competing with the Kardashians. And their are some bridezillas. That said it is stupid for the hired photographers to want to stop an aunt from taking pictures while excited. Fear is your worst enemy if you are insecure. If I see a great shot someone took
I say wow that’s great.

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Aug 28, 2018 10:40:04   #
gwilliams6
 
sploppert wrote:
As a professional photographer I have in my contract that I am to be the only photographer and if people get in my way I have the right to pack up and leave for breach of contract. I do this not because I'm afraid of others giving pictures to the bride & groom but because I have to work in a tight time frame and I have to get the pictures. I don't like people shooting over my shoulder or getting in my way. Let one person shoot opens the door for everyone with a camera shoot and I never will
get mine because time ran out. I shoot with multilabel lights that can be triggered by others flash and that ruins there shots and wastes my time and batteries. Also if they shoot at the same time as I do they ruin my shot. I'm not there to pose the couple for others to shoot I pose for the couple. I will let the guests take all the pictures they want after I am done. Usually the couple are tired of standing there or are told they have to leave, not my problem. I could care less how many people take pictures at the reception have fun but please stay out of my way.
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Yes some dont realize that tight time frames dictate that no one else be shooting photos when you do and when you have to move the bride and groom along for other poses and even to other photo locations. And if your strobes are on optical slave, boy you will have all your battery power drained by every little flash from the guests setting off your flashes, and then when you need your strobes, they may need by up to power at a critical moment. . One reason I only use radio triggers if I use strobes.

The main thing folks should take away from this discussion is that the casual photo desires of the guests can NEVER be allowed to outweigh the priority of the professional photo needs of the bride and groom, never.

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Aug 28, 2018 10:42:09   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
The best photos are the candid style shoot the event like ENG news gathering.
I think some of thr high priced wedding shooters work that way.

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Aug 28, 2018 10:51:23   #
gwilliams6
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
The best photos are the candid style shoot the event like ENG news gathering.
I think some of thr high priced wedding shooters work that way.


Yes I shoot weddings in a candid and fun photojournalistic style, but also include all classic posed shots. I do both. That seems to be what most couples want now, the fun stuff, even something really funny, but also the classic beautiful poses, closeups and detail shots. CLICK ON DOWNLOAD TO SEE THE TRUE COLORS AND RESOLUTION OF THIS SHOT. Cheers


(Download)

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Aug 28, 2018 10:56:19   #
stuart416
 
I photographed weddings for 15 years. I never had a problem with guests shooting candids for several of the reasons stated. Pros don't always have the time to shoot the candid types and the grandparents, etc. The only restrictions I had was no shooting over my shoulder during setups. This is where the money is and I didn't need people giving freebies of my posed pictures. It was my skill and lighting that made the difference. I didn't need Uncle Joe stealing my shots, but candids, be my guest!

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Aug 28, 2018 10:59:11   #
Chastles
 
I was in a situation at a family wedding that had only one photographer and I too was making a album for the couple as a gift. Every time I went to take pictures and had relatives together the photographer would run to where I was and push me out of the way to get a picture. I had spoken to him at the beginning of the event and introduced myself. Thought he seemed like a nice person but he got pretty rude after awhile. I respected his space and talents and tried to keep my distance but he kept following me. Go figure. Lol

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Aug 28, 2018 11:11:58   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
At my cousin's wedding, there were times during the day when only the hired photographer was allowed to shoot. They actually shooed EVERYONE out during those periods. I understand that. It was a private session. The problem I see is that everyone wants wedding pictures. And unless your the mom and dad, you cannot get them! There were pictures of me with the bride and groom that I could never get copies of. The same thing happened at my friend's wedding. Perhaps if the hired photographer made images available to people other than the bride and groom, not so many people would take their own cameras!

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Aug 28, 2018 11:15:37   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
AzPicLady wrote:
At my cousin's wedding, there were times during the day when only the hired photographer was allowed to shoot. They actually shooed EVERYONE out during those periods. I understand that. It was a private session. The problem I see is that everyone wants wedding pictures. And unless your the mom and dad, you cannot get them! There were pictures of me with the bride and groom that I could never get copies of. The same thing happened at my friend's wedding. Perhaps if the hired photographer made images available to people other than the bride and groom, not so many people would take their own cameras!
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Two of the weddings I went to this summer resulted in links sent by the bride and groom to an album set up by the photographer. The shots were low res, but on one site you could order a print.

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Aug 28, 2018 11:20:57   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
It has nothing to do with competing at all. My wedding shooters and I always attend the wedding rehearsals, talk with all the participants and the officiate, and coordinate where we are allowed to set up and shoot from, and see when the specific moments will occur during the ceremony etc. that MUST not be missed. Also we go through timing for all the parts of the wedding, when we can possibly take the bride and groom away for additional private shootings ,sometimes at another nearby, more photogenic location. All the while trying to keep to the bride and groom's planned schedule for the pre-wedding preparations, the actual ceremony, any cocktail hour, then the reception which may be in a completely different location.

The Bride and groom, or their families ,are paying for these venues and they only have them for a certain limited and set time. So as the hired official photographers we have to work fast ,professionally , and efficiently, and manage our time available to shoot. Getting slowed down because everyone else of dozens of guests wants the same photo can totally mess up the time line. Reception halls, caterers, bands and more work to a strict, paid time schedule and the last thing anyone wants is for the hired photographers, or any other photographers to hold up everything and possibly cost the couple and their families more money. Most good wedding venues, reception halls and even churches schedule more than one wedding party in the same location on the same day (but a different time of the day). We have to work to a tight time schedule set by the bride and groom, and they expect us to make their day memorable, but not to disrupt the flow and all the good and fun vibes.

Hey I make a point to get along with all the family and wedding guests ,and to be as polite and friendly and helpful as I can be at all times. I want to capture all the happy smiling faces, the tears and hugs and kisses and funny and heartwarming moments, expected and unexpected. I do often offer advice to a guest shooter that has a technical question, even while in the middle of performing my duties, if at all possible. I just ask other invited guests and family to respect the bride and groom's wishes , and respect the photographers they have spent good money for, that have all the responsibility and pressure on them to get it all captured right, and create wonderful ,timeless images from all those once-in-lifetime moments. Cheers
One of my wedding websites:
https://www.wedding.com/wedding-vendors/nj/clayton/photographer/williams-photography/389416
It has nothing to do with competing at all. My wed... (show quote)

We went to a wedding once where The Photographer ran the show and we saw very little of the bridal couple. A few weeks later the groom called to ask about any photos I had, because The Photographer's were so expensive, and I had to tell him that The Photographer had made taking photos by anyone else impossible.

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Aug 28, 2018 11:22:58   #
C6Joe Loc: NorthWestern Nevada
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
As a wedding shooter for most of my 44 years as a pro, I understand why the photographer had that statement put into the program. I cant tell you how many times a family member or zealous guest has stood up and/or blocked me from making that shot of a critical wedding or reception moment, from the first kiss, to walking down the aisle, to that first dance, and cutting the cake. As the official photographers we are getting paid to cover an event, and our clients, the bride and groom expect us as pros to make those shots and more. We can't come back to them later and say, oh sorry I dont have that moment (that will never happen again) because Aunt Ruth or Uncle Charley thought it would be neat to stand up in front of the photographer, or lean into the aisle with their cellphone, blocking the photographer.

I often shoot with a second shooter and also offer video, either by myself or with a dedicated video shooter. We take great pains to coordinate our coverage so everyone of our shooters can have a clear angle for coverage. We can not factor in anyone else who may wish to intrude as a shooter. I also put this statement out or make an announcement to the wedding guests. I also ask if there is anyone that would prefer NOT being in photos, so my crew can avoid taking their photo, that does occur at weddings.

It has nothing to do with any insecurities, but has to do with providing the best , most complete and excellent photos to the couple who has hired us to capture these once in a lifetime moments.. Put your camera and cellphones away, enjoy the wedding and let the hired pros do their jobs. You can get copies later of our excellent and unobstructed work. Cheers
As a wedding shooter for most of my 44 years as a ... (show quote)


Well said.......

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