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Aug 28, 2018 09:10:10   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
You can't break the rules unless you know the rules.

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Aug 28, 2018 09:11:20   #
pila
 
robertjerl wrote:
There are two rules that are absolute.
1. turn the camera on (implies having charged batteries in the camera)
2. take the lens cap off
OH YEAH!!! make that three = have a lens on the camera


I shoot all lens cap photos with a tripod and a high ISO. Black Art.

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Aug 28, 2018 09:14:44   #
pila
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
You can't break the rules unless you know the rules.


Love!!!

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Aug 28, 2018 09:31:38   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
rmalarz wrote:
They are not rules. They are merely guidelines.
--Bob


Right On!

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Aug 28, 2018 09:50:41   #
srt101fan
 
robertjerl wrote:
There are two rules that are absolute.
1. turn the camera on (implies having charged batteries in the camera)
2. take the lens cap off
OH YEAH!!! make that three = have a lens on the camera


How about 3. stand behind the camera

Oh wait, I forgot selfies!

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Aug 28, 2018 10:02:10   #
Steve Whitcomb
 
“Learn the rules like a pro so that you can break them like an artist.” - Pablo Picasso

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Aug 28, 2018 10:02:35   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Chaostrain wrote:
I've spent a lot of time studying the "rules" of photography from many different experts. I studied the rule of thirds, the rule of lighting, the rule of shake your left leg three times, spin right twice, jump once, and howl at a full moon on a Tuesday. I studied the rules for macro photography which happens to look like the rules for landscapes and nightscapes and portraits and photography in general. Oh, let's not forget the final all the experts tell you at the very end, that's break all the rules.

I've come to the to the following conclusion; there are no rules, zero, zip, nada, the big goose egg! The real title should be Here's a list of things to mess with to help you learn your camera until you figure out what you want to do.

Photography is an art! The photographer is an artist! It's totally up to the artist to decide what to do and how far to take their art. Anything anybody says is merely a suggestion of what that person would like to see.

Yes, I'll still look at what others are doing and saying. I've come across many suggestions to try or at least spark a part of my imagination. Sometimes one leads to the another.

Whether you shoot for a base for a picture maker or for straight out of the camera or to simply record a moment in time to prompt your memory later or whatever else, own it like a boss, cause it's all good.

So on that note. I'm going back to playing with my camera and look forward to seeing what others create. As for the rules? What rules? I don't know no stinkin rules.
I've spent a lot of time studying the "rules&... (show quote)


Chaostrain,

When I read messages like the one you posted I like to see examples of images made by the photographer. I looked at the images you have posted on this site. I don't want to be cruel or negative but you have "put yourself out there" with your statement. After viewing your images it was clear to me that you could greatly improve your images with either rules or guidelines. You have far to go in the journey of photography if your goal is to take attractive, compelling images that viewers respond to in some meaningful and purposeful way. I try to take images that show beauty in nature and wildlife and my hope is that viewers see my images and feel an emotion of happiness, gladness or some other good emotion. When I viewed your images I just thought, "wow, this is someone who knows very little about taking a decent photograph." But if your goal is not about taking a good photograph then you should continue on without any rules or guidelines and keep snapping your snapshot photos. It's all about what each of us wants to accomplish with our photographs. Some people want to learn and get better with each shot and others don't and both approaches are ok. My preference is to use the guidelines, rules, and all of the knowledge I have acquired to continue to improve in my goal of creating beautiful artwork.

Also, I will have to say, based on my experience, that knowing the basic rules/guidelines in photography allows me to see a fast-changing scene and get the shot almost immediately as I don't even need to think about composing now, it's automatic and hard-wired into my brain.

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Aug 28, 2018 10:07:55   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
I'm ruling this out!

Chaostrain wrote:
I've spent a lot of time studying the "rules" of photography from many different experts. I studied the rule of thirds, the rule of lighting, the rule of shake your left leg three times, spin right twice, jump once, and howl at a full moon on a Tuesday. I studied the rules for macro photography which happens to look like the rules for landscapes and nightscapes and portraits and photography in general. Oh, let's not forget the final all the experts tell you at the very end, that's break all the rules.

I've come to the to the following conclusion; there are no rules, zero, zip, nada, the big goose egg! The real title should be Here's a list of things to mess with to help you learn your camera until you figure out what you want to do.

Photography is an art! The photographer is an artist! It's totally up to the artist to decide what to do and how far to take their art. Anything anybody says is merely a suggestion of what that person would like to see.

Yes, I'll still look at what others are doing and saying. I've come across many suggestions to try or at least spark a part of my imagination. Sometimes one leads to the another.

Whether you shoot for a base for a picture maker or for straight out of the camera or to simply record a moment in time to prompt your memory later or whatever else, own it like a boss, cause it's all good.

So on that note. I'm going back to playing with my camera and look forward to seeing what others create. As for the rules? What rules? I don't know no stinkin rules.
I've spent a lot of time studying the "rules&... (show quote)

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Aug 28, 2018 10:17:03   #
artBob Loc: Near Chicago
 
rpavich wrote:
Sure there are rules. All visual art has rules, and they are well known. I don't know why it's only amateur photographers who say that there aren't rules.


They exist for a reason, they are effective.


If you've never seen this talk by Adam Marelli addressing this very subject...it's pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwk3YFknyNA&t=150s&frags=pl%2Cwn


Rules are not really rules, nor are they guidelines to help you sell photographs—although at a certain level both are true.

Visual principles, based on how humans organize images, is what they are. As such, they are complex, but unavoidable, as they are hard-wired into the brain.

If someone is going to ignore them, the odds are very high that they are taking snapshots. Even great artists and photographers didn’t rely on"intuition," but also considered principles (rules, guidelines) to improve on their already highly developed intuitive sense.

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Aug 28, 2018 10:27:03   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
rook2c4 wrote:
When it comes composition, I rely on intuition rather than rules.
Rules are a guide for photographers who have not yet learned to trust their intuition.


With due respect to your talent in photography, that may work great for you. Congratulations. But many people with a camera have absolutely no idea about composition. For those people rules, guidelines really, are there as suggestions. The rule of thirds and the rule of not having your horizon directly across the middle generally good rules, guidelines, to follow. I am not suggesting they work for every single photo but they do seem to work for a great many photographs. A new photographer could do pretty well learning these guidelines.

Dennis

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Aug 28, 2018 10:34:44   #
foxfirerodandgun Loc: Stony Creek, VA
 
ole sarg wrote:
So what you are saying is that the rule is that there are no rules!


Not exactly. It really boils down to having the freedom of making the choices that we, as individuals, choose to make without any parameters of restriction. For example, if one chooses to make choices which are outside the boundaries of our legal system(s), then we must be accountable for those decisions and/or actions and thus suffer the consequences. However, since photography is such a suggestive subject, what one considers bold, creative, aesthetically pleasing to their eye and/or taste, etc., another person may consider it to be outside of set "rules". In other words, while so called "rules" can be considered "guidelines", it is also up to the individual to adhere to them or to venture out into the arena of experimentation to achieve results that please that particular person. Just my 2¢ worth.

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Aug 28, 2018 10:39:08   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
dennis2146 wrote:
With due respect to your talent in photography, that may work great for you. Congratulations. But many people with a camera have absolutely no idea about composition. For those people rules, guidelines really, are there as suggestions. The rule of thirds and the rule of not having your horizon directly across the middle generally good rules, guidelines, to follow. I am not suggesting they work for every single photo but they do seem to work for a great many photographs. A new photographer could do pretty well learning these guidelines.

Dennis
With due respect to your talent in photography, th... (show quote)
Via the Lens said it well earlier on this page. Her comments included, "It's all about what each of us wants to accomplish with our photographs."

For moving past simple snapshots such as those that document "my vacation" or "my grandchild's first birthday," I'm a proponent of learning guidelines for composition, but even more so about how to use the LIGHT.

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Aug 28, 2018 10:40:56   #
ggenova64
 
Thank you Linda

Well done!

Linda loves harmony!

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Aug 28, 2018 10:46:02   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
ggenova64 wrote:
Thank you Linda

Well done!

Linda loves harmony!
And lens flare, backlighting and a blown-out sun



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Aug 28, 2018 10:47:34   #
ggenova64
 
Hi Linda

I want to accomplish LIGHT! How about some tidbits on LIGHTING your subject!

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